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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 171 | 72.77% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 42 | 17.87% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 5.11% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 1.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.43% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 0.85% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 1.28% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-28, 16:28 | Link #661 | |
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Also, I did state earlier that this could be in reference to Walpurgis night. That magical girls will become witches at that time, or have a much greater chance to. Edit: as it stands though, a magical girl has every chance of fighting and winning and having a life on the side for many years until their death (eventually they'll get old and slow enough that a witch will do them in). It's entirely possible. With the exception of the one that killed Mami (which was somehow different, but we're never told why), so far every witch and familiar has died rather easily. |
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2011-02-28, 17:20 | Link #662 | |
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2011-02-28, 17:32 | Link #663 |
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Homura knew which witch was which. Mami's fighting style made her a poor match, especially if she guessed wrong. Remember that her "finishing move" can only fire once, it's not rapid fire. Assuming reload time, she couldn't keep up with how quickly the witch regenerated. I guess she could have used her unlimited gun thing, but that probably doesn't have the firepower to finish a witch off.
There's a lot of "woulda coulda shoulda" that we could speculate on but I think one of the key points of Mami's death was that even with advanced knowledge Homura couldn't prevent it. This ends up being reflected later on through other turning points in the story, like Sayaka becoming a Magical Girl.
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2011-02-28, 17:35 | Link #664 | |
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2011-02-28, 17:36 | Link #665 |
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It's possible that there is a difference between a witch that is created from a familiar and a witch that is created from a corrupt magical girl. The number of witches that exist seem to greatly outnumber the magical girls so I imagine the greater majority of witches come from familiars. Charlotte didn't seem that different aside from having multiple forms, but it could be that she was much stronger, and Homura is just kind of badass in her witch killing abilities.
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2011-02-28, 17:56 | Link #666 | |
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I've personally seen it as that she could fire all the normal shots she wants, some of which can be used to bind the target. Even if it regenerated, she could dodge and work on binding it again. |
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2011-02-28, 20:31 | Link #668 | |
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Hindsight is 20/20, but I doubt everyone could think clearly in a crisis. If they all could, I have plenty of complaints about Sayaka's swordsmanship vs Kyoko. |
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2011-02-28, 20:32 | Link #669 | ||
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Basically Mami was caught off guard because her single shot finishing move didn't work and she couldn't react fast enough to use it again or bring out her other weapons. The witch was too fast due to instantly regenerating. Homura could handle it because of her special ability (time stop/teleport) and her personal arsenal allowed her to attack and evade at the same time. If you notice the other girls can't attack and move around/defend/attack like Homura can. This might suggest that Magical Girls are limited in their ability to quickly shift from offense to defense, experience and strength depending of course.
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2011-02-28, 21:07 | Link #670 | |
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Back on topic, which I believe is supposed to be centered around the episode (having seen a spoilers and speculation thread around here, one wonders) - I think that we have seen plenty of proof that QB is "lawful", but I still hold out hope that he will prove not to be a black villain, but at most a gray one. I mean shoot, in Revelations we have an Angel of the Lord reaping people left and right... and I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be the good guy. What I think is really interesting, though, was Madoka's reaction to Homura stopping her from becoming an MG. She didn't yell about how that would doom Sayaka, or hurt Sayaka, or express concern about QB. It's almost like she had been in a trance, and destroying QB woke her so that she just picked up at the point she'd been at earlier as if none of that had happened. If that's the case, then who put her in the trance?
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What Kyubei is doing can be compared to fish and insects that have lots of offspring but only a few reach maturity. Quote:
Even disregarding that, consider what the show has shown us: 1. Every magical girl has a Soul Gem. 2. If the Soul Gem is seperated from the magical girl by more than 100m, the magical girl drops dead. If you do not wish to dispute these two items, is the following chain of reasoning valid? 1. There is a connection between the Soul Gem and the magical girl. 2. This connection is not in the form of a physical link. 3. This connection must be some form of wireless transmission. 4. This connection cannot use conventional energy sources. Those cannot change form like the Soul Gem can, not to mention have limited lifespan. 5. The only non-conventional energy source in this show is magic. 6. Therefore the connection between the Soul Gem and the body is maintained by magic. Am I doing alright so far? Then let's add another item that the show showed us: Use of magic darkens the Soul Gem. Add that to the chain of reasoning: 7. Maintaining the connection between Soul Gem and the body darkens the Soul Gem. 8. As a result, simply living and not using magic otherwise still darkens the Soul Gem. So, what's your problem with this chain of reasoning? Quote:
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Like how a company's CEO concentrates on a complicated merger deal instead of really tackling his company's financial situation. Or how a general is fiddling with the placement of an artillery regiment as if he was a Colniel when war bursts on his front. Or how a girl is asked to wish for an impossible desire for herself and no one, including herself, is asking her to use it to save the world instead. So, distractions can be more varied and distracting than you think. Quote:
Kyubei says magical girls become witches. Hence the name. The possible scenarios: He knows what he's talking about: Then this is inevitable, any magical girl who avoids death will end up as a witch. This makes him evil. We can argue about it being a "necessary evil" elsewhere. He doesn't know what he's talking about: Then he doesn't know how the system works. He's ignorant. Therefore we can't take his word on anything he said about magical girls and witches. As a result, we can no longer consider him a trustworthy source that doesn't lie. At this point, I would say your opinion that we don't know enough to judge Kyubei as evil has reached the point where the alternative to him being evil is him being untrustworthy, ignorant and unreliable. Are you sure this is the appropriate position to place him in? And one thing I hope you can clear up, what are you really arguing about? That Kyubei doesn't know magical girls can become witches? That he's wrong about it being a certainty? |
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2011-03-01, 10:06 | Link #672 |
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tbh, i pretty much have found it rather obvious that mami was too shocked to make a move since ep. 3. it's like seeing a ghost face-to-face. and because you're too scared,you suddenly lost the ability to scream and just continue to stand there,peeing at your pants. XDDD
@NaweG i think QB put her in a trance. no proof yet though.
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2011-03-01, 11:28 | Link #673 | ||||||
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Where is my soul or yours located in the first place? Where are Kyoko's and Sayaka's? Can your soul be moved away from your body? Can theirs? See the difference now? Quote:
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The net result would be dooming humanity to slow death by witch suicide. Unless one has a better idea, which so far, no one does. We could get a girl, or a chain of girls, to make wishes to fix the system. But that would be making them sacrifices, which generally runs contrary to the idealistic viewpoint espoused. Quote:
But for giggles, I'll put in another 3rd choice: He knows quite a bit about the system... but not everything. As was pointed out, he doesn't have a clue about where Madoka's power comes from. If he knew where girls' magic came from, he should have an idea of at least. Quote:
This would mean a magical girl would NOT grow up to become a witch. |
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2011-03-01, 12:13 | Link #674 |
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But he can't believe in such thing. Not when he know that Mami is dead. Or do you think QB know that she will be reborn?
In fact at first you argued that if QB's work is to create witches, than the show doing a poor job showing that. Unfortunately discussion somehow ended as pointless argument. One possible explanation is that while his work as incubator can indeed be "to create witches from MG", we know nothing about his personal agenda. He easily can be unwilling to carry out his work, or even can be willing to sabotage it. And we still have no proof that his work is "to create witches from MG".
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With an unknown assailant (that can riddle your body with bullets before you know what happened), Mami very well might not have been enough. But maybe Mami could have held off the assailant long enough for Kyube to create two more MGs. Yes, just speculation, but that's all it needs to be. Quote:
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But I will agree the system isn't perfect, and could definitely use fixing. Unfortunately, as the saying goes, "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might wish to have." Reality doesn't always allow perfect choices. Quote:
As for Kyube's goals, it's really hard to say, because in the strictest sense of the terms, his words can be seen from different angles, and he seems to lack human values and emotions, so it can't be for the lulz, nor possibly for the good of humanity. I'm hard-pressed to even imagine him having a selfish reason. He looks to me more and more as just a part of the system himself, created to fulfill a specific goal. So the real questions to me are: Who started the system, and what were their intentions behind all this? That person would be the ultimate good or evil. Quote:
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