Claymore Chapter 112

[MalakTawus]

Spoiler for ch.113:

Gooral,those warriors have seen how Miria acted,they know that if she wanted she could have killed all of them but she didn't.
It's not so difficult to belive that those warriors have understood that no one would risk dying in a suicide attack like that just for a lie, that's why imo they belived Miria (not to mention that once again they know for sure that the Mibs have lied to them about their mission).
And who knows,maybe Miria found out other proofs to convince those warriors,afterall we don't know exactly where she went before atacking the hq,maybe she also found out about the monster-factory.Before saying that's so strange for Miria to convince the others it would be better to see how she actually did it,i bet Yagi will explain it in the next chapters.

[Ulquihorror]

Spoiler:

a characteristic shared among the bodies of the three number ones: they all have flat asses

[evil_kenshin]

Originally Posted by Ulquihorror

Spoiler:

a characteristic shared among the bodies of the three number ones: they all have flat asses

Spoiler for spoiler 113:

their corpses obviously the fat/cellulite in them would shrunk over the years in dae's room despite whatever methods his using to preserve the corpses

[Gooral]

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Spoiler for ch.113:

Gooral,those warriors have seen how Miria acted,they know that if she wanted she could have killed all of them but she didn't.
It's not so difficult to belive that those warriors have understood that no one would risk dying in a suicide attack like that just for a lie, that's why imo they belived Miria (not to mention that once again they know for sure that the Mibs have lied to them about their mission).
And who knows,maybe Miria found out other proofs to convince those warriors,afterall we don't know exactly where she went before atacking the hq,maybe she also found out about the monster-factory.Before saying that's so strange for Miria to convince the others it would be better to see how she actually did it,i bet Yagi will explain it in the next chapters.

Spoiler for 113:

I thought that someone might use this but you see, this isn't convincing at all. Teresa spared Priscilla but Priscilla still wanted to kill her. The same goes for Irene, Noel and Sophia. They also knew exactly why Teresa was being targeted, i.e. because she killed bandits (more like monsters) and they knew that she was protecting a little girl. I would say that these facts should suffice to not go along with MiB's orders. But it didn't. And what Miria did was even worse (going by MiB's rules) since she was attacking THEM. So it was sth that can't be forgiven.

Another example is Audrey. Even though she and her comrades were saved by the ghosts she said it clearly that she won't hesitate to point her blade at her. We also didn't see her protect Miria or stopping everyone from slashing her badly risking her awakening (she might have said sth later but that still shouldn't give them a reason to suddenly follow Miria).

I don't have a problem with some of them doubting the organization but I have a problem with all of them following Miria and believing everything she told them. They didn't know Miria, she wasn't from their generation but in a few days she has converted everyone to be her followers. I just don't buy it. So until Yagi gives me a reasonable explanation I won't be satisfied with this.

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Gooral

Spoiler for 113:

I thought that someone might use this but you see, this isn't convincing at all. Teresa spared Priscilla but Priscilla still wanted to kill her. The same goes for Irene, Noel and Sophia. They also knew exactly why Teresa was being targeted, i.e. because she killed bandits (more like monsters) and they knew that she was protecting a little girl. I would say that these facts should suffice to not go along with MiB's orders. But it didn't. And what Miria did was even worse (going by MiB's rules) since she was attacking THEM. So it was sth that can't be forgiven.

Another example is Audrey. Even though she and her comrades were saved by the ghosts she said it clearly that she won't hesitate to point her blade at her. We also didn't see her protect Miria or stopping everyone from slashing her badly risking her awakening (she might have said sth later but that still shouldn't give them a reason to suddenly follow Miria).

I don't have a problem with some of them doubting the organization but I have a problem with all of them following Miria and believing everything she told them. They didn't know Miria, she wasn't from their generation but in a few days she has converted everyone to be her followers. I just don't buy it. So until Yagi gives me a reasonable explanation I won't be satisfied with this.

Spoiler for 113:

Sadly he might very well be right: Imho, Yagi held up the iron rule of "soldiers are 100% indoctrinated" for way too long. so he now is stuck with the dilemma of how the heck to change that PLAUSSIBLY - he made a three page rant basically, with that one claymore telling how things the MIBS said felt wrong, of how they didn't belive the "story" - goraal is right though to point out that so far, 99.9% of clays believed 99.9% of the stories. so WHY NOW NOT SO? I mean I love Miria, I'm a huge fan, she's a goddess just like Galatea, but she ain't that much of a goddess that people just plain fall over in their opinion LIKE THAT - only thing I can hope is a better translation will make this go down more smoothly maybe , and yeah, as some hinted, Rubel was smiling A LOT in this chapter, maybe he did stirr things the right way and thus help along, IF SO, I wanna know HOW over the next couple of chapters though ...

and yeah, she sacrificing herself like this has GREAT symbolic power, but that it sways ALL the clays, dunno ...as I said, maybe if this is translated better, the feelings will be better related and THEN I too might swallow it whole ...till then ...cool she's back,I'd probably give this chap a 9 or 10 just cuase she's back with a vengeance ... but plotwise, I fear some minor weaknesses, depending on things are explained next couple of chapters

[MalakTawus]

Spoiler for ch113:

Teresa spared Priscilla but Priscilla still wanted to kill her.

It's quite clear that Prissy's mentality is not "normal",so it makes no sense compare the choice of normal warriors with Prissy's choice.

The same goes for Irene, Noel and Sophia. They also knew exactly why Teresa was being targeted, i.e. because she killed bandits (more like monsters) and they knew that she was protecting a little girl.

Thos e3 were still following the organization's code,but if Miria can convince the warriors that it's the org itself the "real monster", than it's a totally different matter since all the things that the org have told them would completely lose any importance.
They fight to protect humanity,if they belive that it's the org itself to cause all that, they wouldn't esitate to attack the org.

Another example is Audrey. Even though she and her comrades were saved by the ghosts she said it clearly that she won't hesitate to point her blade at her. We also didn't see her protect Miria or stopping everyone from slashing her badly risking her awakening (she might have said sth later but that still shouldn't give them a reason to suddenly follow Miria).

It's not tso difficulat to see that she said that mainly to restore her pride.
And anyway at that point Miria didn't even try to convince them that the org was bad, if Miria could convince all them it's clear that she showed them some proof, so it wouldn't be so strange for even Audrey to follow her lead.

I don't have a problem with some of them doubting the organization but I have a problem with all of them following Miria and believing everything she told them.

As i already said,Yagi has still to show us how Miria actually was able to convince them, so maybe you should wait to jump to conclusions so soon,who knows,maybe she was able to give them some undeniable proof about the org's evil deeds.
It seems stupid to me to say that Yagi did bad writing in this situation since Yagi still hasn't finished to explain the situation AT ALL.
For example there is even the possibility that Rubel himself helped Miria to convince the others.

[BlackMagister]

Originally Posted by evil_kenshin

Spoiler for 113:

she kinda reminds me of bui from yu yu hakusho lol

Spoiler for Or this guy:

You may have heard of him he is called Samurai X

[evil_kenshin]

Originally Posted by BlackMagister

Spoiler for Or this guy:

You may have heard of him he is called Samurai X

Spoiler for spoiler 113:

samurai x???? *points to his username* his name is himuara kenshin, not samurai x

[Xion Valkyrie]

Spoiler for indoctrination 113:

One explanation could be that the Organization just doesn't care about the 'non-special' Claymores anymore. In the earlier times, since things were relatively calm, they did benefit from having Claymores that lasted longer, hence much heavier indoctrination. Since the Battle of Pieta, I'd think most new Claymores would just end up being fodder while the MiBs worked on their special projects (Abyss Feeders, Zombie #1's), etc, so they probably didn't bother putting too much emphasis on indoctrination as most Claymores would end up dead fairly quickly anyways.

The other thing is that loyalty to the Organization is based on the belief that the organization is doing things for the greater good. They're the only thing that's protecting humans from become food for the Youma and awakened ones. However, once the fact that the Organization is behind EVERYTHING comes out, I'd think most Claymores would no longer hold them in such high esteem.

[MisterJB]

Originally Posted by evil_kenshin

Spoiler for spoiler 113:

samurai x???? *points to his username* his name is himuara kenshin, not samurai x

Actually, that was the name of the show here in Portugal.

[silverstri]

sorry guys i might have missed something here..

anyone knows who is cassandra? because i could not recall seeing her in the manga or maybe i forgot.. is there a pic of her? (other than the 3 arse they showed)

Thank you, and yeeehahhhh miria is aliveeeeeee

[evil_kenshin]

Originally Posted by MisterJB

Actually, that was the name of the show here in Portugal.

it was the name of the show but not the name of his character

here in Australia the ova's were called samurai x but the tv show was called rurouni kenshin

so seems different per region