Madoka Magica - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Bane Rieko

No one has given this below 5... I am rather happy about this, since I think it is possibly the best episode so far myself.

And personally... I would have been happy if THIS was the ENDING of the entire series.

I wouldn't mind that much either I mean what else could they possibly do to top this episode?

[Bane Rieko]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

What? A movie? Is there a source for this?

I came across a blog post for it a few days ago, and saw it mentioned a couple times, but not since then. Hence "rumor", and I DOUBT it will happen. There is only one place I can find mentioning it now, and it is hardly a good source by any stretch of the imagination.

http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/201...madoka-magica/

I wish I could find the original sources, but I don't bookmark everything I find.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by kamyu

it seems to me that she has to choose to reset time.

T1: resets when she makes her wish/contract
T2: resets after madoka becomes a witch
T3: homura wants to give up. to turn into a witch with madoka and destroy the world. madoka asks her to try again. resets after killing madoka.
T4: madoka becomes a witch. homura sticks around for a chat with kyubie before resetting.

T3 suggests that she can decide to give up and stick with the current bad end while T4 shows that she can stick around for a while after failing before doing a reset.

T3 only suggests that Homura wouldn't go back if she turned into a Witch, not that she can choose not to go back while she's still sane. Even then, this is only pure conjecture, because in the end Homura did not turn into a Witch and resets after Madoka is dead.
In T4, Madoka was still in the process of transforming into a Witch, just like she was in T2. There really isn't anything to suggest that Homura time traveled with her own power and intentionally stayed back for the conversation.

[Triple_R]

I wouldn't be surprised by a movie.

A movie is an uniquely profitable venture for any reasonably well-known anime franchise (Haruhi, Nanoha, NGE), and Madoka Magica is certainly now a reasonably well-known anime franchise itself.

If Timeline 5 was to reset at the end of Episode 11 or 12, that could effectively set up a movie that would showcase the final Timeline (Timeline 6), where everything is resolved.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

I wouldn't mind that much either I mean what else could they possibly do to top this episode?

Maybe an actual conclusion? If Kyubey is going to win again and Madoka turns into a Witch or dies, then there's no point in the nine initial episodes worth of buildup. The series could have started and ended with only episode 10.

The current timeline must have a conclusion that sets it apart from the four that happened in episode 10. Either Homura or Madoka must find an answer, or the conclusion will be nothing more than a repeat of T3 and T4 in ep10.

Remember that Madoka is the main character, not just Homura. She has to do something that sets this current timeline apart from the previous four. Otherwise, there would be no point centering the story around this Madoka for nine episodes.

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

T3 only suggests that Homura wouldn't go back if she turned into a Witch, not that she can choose not to go back while she's still sane. Even then, this is only pure conjecture, because in the end Homura did not turn into a Witch and resets after Madoka is dead.
In T4, Madoka was still in the process of transforming into a Witch, just like she was in T2. There really isn't anything to suggest that Homura time traveled with her own power and intentionally stayed back for the conversation.

perhaps i should have said "can suggest" for T3. of course there can be alternative explanations.

as for T4, i'm not sure there is really any explanation other than her willful control of her power. kyubie's phrasing in the conversation makes it pretty clear that madoka is already fully in witch form. then you have homura turn and walk into the distance then into time. except she had nowhere to walk to. they were on part of a destroyed building in the middle of water. either she willfully activated her power or she just decided to go for a swim until it activated on its own.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by kamyu

perhaps i should have said "can suggest" for T3. of course there can be alternative explanations.

as for T4, i'm not sure there is really any explanation other than her willful control of her power. kyubie's phrasing in the conversation makes it pretty clear that madoka is already fully in witch form. then you have homura turn and walk into the distance then into time. except she had nowhere to walk to. they were on part of a destroyed building in the middle of water. either she willfully activated her power or she just decided to go for a swim until it activated on its own.

If she had willful control of her power, then she wouldn't be waking up in her hospital bed every time and would choose to reappear near Madoka. In T2, she didn't exactly disappear into T3 the moment the Soul Gem transformed into a Grief Seed either.

If she had the power to time travel as she pleases, then she also wouldn't wait until after Walpurgis Night every time and would rewind in smaller segments, like preventing herself from beng restrained by Mami, or stopping Madoka before she tossed Sayaka's Soul Gem off the bridge, or forcing Sayaka to use a Grief Seed to purify her Soul Gem by making contact instead of just tossing it to her. If time travel were under Homura's control, she certainly would not wait until after Walpurgis Night everytime to use it.

[guuchan]

Originally Posted by hyperborealis

We get confirmation of QB's anti-entropy energy project in the various timelines: most famously of course when he puts on his salaryman hat, and says "But well, that's not my problem. / I gathered a lot more energy than our collection quota," and also at the moment of Homura's wish, when he says that "Your wish has improved the entropy." (By the way, this translation makes no sense. Do you have a better idea of what the Japanese says?)

I will try to look at it after work tonight and see if I can provide something refreshing.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Yeah, I think that's possible. I mean, if she can't win and Madoka make a contract to fight is Timeline 4 all over again.

Besides, Homura doesn't look resigned to lose yet. The title of next episode is called:

"The final sign left".

This is said by Homura, so I think she still has something under her sleeve.

I don't think next episode's title has anything to do with Homura finding a clue to defeat WN by herself. Madoka becoming MG is inevitable, otherwise we would have just watched 10 meaningless episodes, especially this one.

[risingstar3110]

I admit that the biggest surprise i had in this episode (other than a very adorable Akemi Homura) is watching the OP at the end and realise it was actually Akemi's OP the whole time

It will be super cool, of Shaft if they show a new OP in next episode, with that same song and events, but shows a more grim/dramatic version of Homura (seeing her crying at the OP, hiding inside her blanket, all depressed, then running through timeline...etc...)

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

If she had willful control of her power, then she wouldn't be waking up in her hospital bed every time and would choose to reappear near Madoka. In T2, she didn't exactly disappear into T3 the moment the Soul Gem transformed into a Grief Seed either.

If she had the power to time travel as she pleases, then she also wouldn't wait until after Walpurgis Night every time and would rewind in smaller segments, like preventing herself from beng restrained by Mami, or stopping Madoka before she tossed Sayaka's Soul Gem off the bridge, or forcing Sayaka to use a Grief Seed to purify her Soul Gem by making contact instead of just tossing it to her. If time travel were under Homura's control, she certainly would not wait until after Walpurgis Night everytime to use it.

i meant control over when the reset happens. the start time is exactly the same every time. that part is likely fixed.

[Dawnbringerz]

Originally Posted by hyperborealis

We get confirmation of QB's anti-entropy energy project in the various timelines: most famously of course when he puts on his salaryman hat, and says "But well, that's not my problem. / I gathered a lot more energy than our collection quota," and also at the moment of Homura's wish, when he says that "Your wish has improved the entropy." (By the way, this translation makes no sense. Do you have a better idea of what the Japanese says?).

What QB said:

契約は成立だ。
君の祈りはエントロピーを凌駕した。
The contract has been formed.
Your wish has outdone Entropy.

The word 凌駕 (ryouga) is a little bit difficult to translate directly into English.
The dictionary definition is excelling; surpassing; outdoing; superior
In this case, the most fitting definition would be "outdoing", as her contract has generated (or has a potential to generate) more energy than existing entropy.

[jeroz]

I wouldn't be surprised if connect is moved to the ED from now on and have Magia as the BGM.

speaking of which, i felt like we are missing someone on this thread.....

[Crontica]

Originally Posted by jeroz

i felt like we are missing someone on this thread.....

Mentar . . . .

[Dawnbringerz]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Besides, Homura doesn't look resigned to lose yet. The title of next episode is called:

"The final sign left".

This is said by Homura, so I think she still has something under her sleeve.

最後に残った道しるべ
The next episode title is more like "The road sign that is left at the end"

道しるべ = road sign = http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%81%93%E6%A8%99

She probably means the next episode is the finale.
Either she wins with her current hand, or she gives up.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by kamyu

i meant control over when the reset happens. the start time is exactly the same every time. that part is likely fixed.

Again, if she did have control, she would have used it much sooner on several occasions. She could have left timeline 3 before she had to put herself through mercy killing Madoka. In the current timeline, she could have reset the moment Kyoko died too. Homura was planning on teaming up with another MG so that Madoka wouldn't have to get involved, but now she will be alone on Walpurgis Night just like she was on timeline 4. However, Homura is apparently staying.

Originally Posted by Dawnbringerz

最後に残った道しるべ
The next episode title is more like "The road sign that is left at the end"

道しるべ = road sign = http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%81%93%E6%A8%99

She probably means the next episode is the finale.
Either she wins with her current hand, or she gives up.

For her, anyway.

Madoka is still in the game. Most likely, Homura's final resort will take up ep11, while Madoka's reaction and conclusion will take up ep12.

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Again, if she did have control, she would have used it much sooner on several occasions. She could have left timeline 3 before she had to put herself through mercy killing Madoka. In the current timeline, she could have reset the moment Kyoko died too. Homura was planning on teaming up with another MG so that Madoka wouldn't have to get involved, but now she will be alone on Walpurgis Night just like she was on timeline 4. However, Homura is apparently staying.

resetting the moment something doesn't go as planned would deny her information and battle experience that could be useful next time.
for example: she just learned about kyubie's full stated goal in the last loop (and not until after madoka was already a witch even).
besides, madoka is still alive and human in the current loop. thats all she cares about.

as for the mercy killing, that was part of madoka's last request. everything she does is for madoka. how could she not fulfill that request?

[guuchan]

Originally Posted by Dawnbringerz

最後に残った道しるべ
The next episode title is more like "The road sign that is left at the end"

道しるべ = road sign = http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%81%93%E6%A8%99

She probably means the next episode is the finale.
Either she wins with her current hand, or she gives up.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...82#post3527982

The whole "最後に残った" is an adjective for "道しるべ", while "最後に" is an adverb for "残った". "最後に" here doesn't really mean at the end of something.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I wouldn't be surprised by a movie.

A movie is an uniquely profitable venture for any reasonably well-known anime franchise (Haruhi, Nanoha, NGE), and Madoka Magica is certainly now a reasonably well-known anime franchise itself.

If Timeline 5 was to reset at the end of Episode 11 or 12, that could effectively set up a movie that would showcase the final Timeline (Timeline 6), where everything is resolved.

hmm.. likely to happen albeit i'm having second thoughts if i'm liking the idea or not. If a movie(akin to EoE) will have the resolution and closure to this story, that'd only mean we need to wait for it. DX i'm impatient, and i kinda hate waiting, i want everything to be fixed in the last episode.

Rebuild of Madoka Magica though...hmmm..i dunno. XDD

[Sheba]

The movie idea, I am not too sure about it. Firstly, can Shaft pull it? Secondly, did they have plans for it? I doubt it.

[Archon_Wing]

Anyhow

"Homura... finally you called me by my first name" That seemed to have rung a bell somewhere.