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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 294 | 82.12% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 10.89% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 3.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 1.96% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 0.56% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 0.56% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.28% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-03-17, 03:18 | Link #901 | |
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"Sounds" aren't the only marker's I've noticed. There are several "flashback" events as well. They're definitely a flag for something, and as I've guesstimated, I think they're alternate timeline / divergent points. There are at least 2 or 3 in the first 2 episodes, and there is at least one more in episode 8. |
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2011-03-17, 04:35 | Link #902 | ||
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yes, that would be very interesting to hunt for all of them however, some of them are stationary especially when homu moves, so it's really hard to pinpoint accurately if these water droplets function for cinematic purposes or divergent points or possibly both. |
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2011-03-17, 06:18 | Link #903 | |
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2011-03-17, 06:58 | Link #904 | |
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It was two mistakes combined that allow Homura to learn what's really going on and keep retrying to save Madoka. |
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2011-03-17, 08:09 | Link #905 | |
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Gretchen's story is tragic: a pure and uncorrupted figure, she is seduced by Faust, is the unwitting agent in the poisoning of her mother, is cursed by the dying words of her brother, also murdered by Faust and Mephistopheles, goes mad and murders her own newborn baby, is sentenced to death, and finally refuses Faust's offer to help her escape her prison. Heavenly voices announce her spiritual redemption. If I understand correctly, she exemplifies redemption through suffering. The Wikipedia article cites Schopenhauer on this point: "The great Goethe has given us a distinct and visible description of this denial of the will, brought about by great misfortune and by the despair of all deliverance, in his immortal masterpiece Faust, in the story of the sufferings of Gretchen. I know of no other description in poetry. It is a perfect specimen of the second path, which leads to the denial of the will not, like the first, through the mere knowledge of the suffering of the whole world which one acquires voluntarily, but through the excessive pain felt in one's own person." Suffering==>self-denial==>sanctity==>salvation. Rather than seeing these names as signs of Madoka's happy ending, I see them exactly the opposite: as characterizations of the witch Madoka, descriptions of the wrong path she has mistakenly taken that has led her to a terrible end. I could be wrong. Perhaps Madoka will illustrate a redemption-through-suffering. In that case, the anime will be far darker than even I anticipate. Anyway, they don't sell kool-aid at JWvG's Soda Fountain. You'll have to look elsewhere. |
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2011-03-17, 11:27 | Link #907 | |
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Most of Gretchen's suffering can be seen as Faust and Mephistopheles's fault, as she drowned her mother to get to Faust, and her brother dies at the hands of Faust and Mephistopheles. She is only saved when she refuses to get any more involved with her. For Goethe's Faust, the terms of the contract was for Mephistopheles to serve Faust while he is alive, and if he pleased by whatever the devil does, then he will die in that highest moment of bliss and serve him in hell. Near the end of the story in the second part, Faust is a man of power favored by the king, and he creates a project to help the community by building houses, dams, etc. He dies in bliss knowing that his project is benefiting humanity, but Mephistopheles believed that something he did gave Faust happiness, and attempts to take him to Hell. Mephistopheles fails, and the angels take him to Heaven. |
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2011-03-17, 12:52 | Link #908 |
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I think they did some sort of recap episode this week:
http://yarareyaku.com/archives/51739840.html#more Someone correct me if I'm wrong. |
2011-03-17, 17:02 | Link #911 |
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VERY excited to see the Faust connection return. Most of what I have to say about the Gretchen implication has been said, but it certainly points to a sort of bittersweet "good end", in that the greater evil is overcome. Of course, we have no way of knowing the details of such a conclusion and how it would work in the Madokaverse. Gen seems to enjoy his "sad but satisfying" endings. I don't think there's any way Homura and Madoka can ever be together, even in the platonic sense, but unless this a subversion of the Faustian morality, it might be nice to see Madoka's innocent nature turn out to be a useful virtue, rather than a tragic naivety.
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2011-03-17, 18:02 | Link #912 | |
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2011-03-17, 19:11 | Link #914 | |
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2011-03-17, 19:43 | Link #915 |
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There isn't a connection to Faust with this show. Faust knew he was making a deal with the Devil who was there to take his soul from the very start. The girls didn't even know QB is an alien out to turn them witches and harvest their powers for his own agenda.
And as fun as time loops are, having 4 of them in 20 minutes is rushed as hell. I prefer the far more sophisticated version in Tatami Galaxy. And I sure hope it will not end like Higurashi or the first My Hime. Plus, if it will end too cheery I will be given the impression they changed the story because of the tsunami. And here is an easy solution to this whole mess. Homura, a few hours before the witch arrives: Hey Madoka let's go on a picnic outside the city. Backup plan: Chloroformium |
2011-03-17, 21:34 | Link #918 |
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The BRs are the whole point of these revisions. You really have to shake your head at some of the mistakes they made. I can understand filling in placeholders with color, but having to remove stuff you accidentally put in is just embaressing.
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