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pyu · 2004-10-30, 05:26

Just read a Chinese translation of it - perhaps I would read Inane's one, but I don't think there's any significant differences if the translators did their work.

Naruto is around 12 or 14? If I remember correctly, he didn't make the grade twice before his successful attempt. So is he older than the peers around him?

Anyway, I do hope Kishimoto would spend some time covering the other genins and what they will be doing before embarking on his timeskip. Looks like the manga is getting back to 'not sucking' levels after the Naruto v.s Sasuke 'fiasco'.

itachistyle · 2004-10-30, 05:33

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

He did not want to kill him, he wanted his body as a container. And the first step to that seems to be what he did with Sasuke in the chuunin exam forest: curse seal. But maybe he tried to bite him like he did with Sasuke but Itachi beat him in short fight. As we could see Itachi is by far the fastest: Kakashi could not see him forming hand seals, can use jutsu like God of the Moon/Sun which kills in an instant. As I looked at that hand it seemed that it was burnt, maybe Itachi used his God of the sun jutsu and Oro's original body burned in it, so he was defeated.
But than it does not mean Itachi was stronger cuz his intention was not to kill Itachi. Same reasoning with the Sasuke-Naruto fight, Naruto had no killing intent, and that made him loose.

On page 14 at the bottom Jiraiya says that Naruto will have to face stronger opponents than Oro. That means Akatsuki members are stronger than Oro, so the Itachi vs Oro/Jiraiya flamers have new data to continue their debate

I dont like the idea that some Akatsuki criminals can be stronger than Hokages.

the contrary for me!!
it would mean that naruto ,sasuke and company will have to be the strongest ninjas ever if they want to survive

Ero-Senn1n · 2004-10-30, 05:45

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Originally Posted by itachistyle

the contrary for me!!
it would mean that naruto ,sasuke and company will have to be the strongest ninjas ever if they want to survive

If Akatsuki is the strongest in the Naruto world than why don't they destroy the ninja villages and rule the world ? They could do it even without the Kyuubi, so they would not need it's powers.

Kishimoto must come up with a really good explanation...

Ero-Senn1n · 2004-10-30, 05:53

From this chapter it seems like Jiraiya has a spy network better then the CIA and KGB together

Tsunade and Orochimaru are leaders of their village, so Jiraiya leader of some "hidden village of perverted spies" ?

Jiraiya the Erokage!

Palani · 2004-10-30, 05:55

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

From this chapter it seems like Jiraiya has a spy network better then the CIA and KGB together

Tsunade and Orochimaru are leaders of their village, so Jiraiya leader of some "hidden village of perverted spies" ?

Jiraiya the Erokage!

Looks to me like he got some info out of Kimimaro.

zamme · 2004-10-30, 05:55

Does anyone else think that Sakura will begin wearing that "Fighting Spirit" jacket she has in her room? (Ep. 3 anime)
Would make her look more like Tsunade.. :)

itachistyle · 2004-10-30, 06:13

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

If Akatsuki is the strongest in the Naruto world than why don't they destroy the ninja villages and rule the world ? They could do it even without the Kyuubi, so they would not need it's powers.

Kishimoto must come up with a really good explanation...

it s simple:they would be completely outnumbered by konoha(remember that as strong as they are, there re only 8 ninjas in akatsuki and of course all are not stronger than hokage ex:kisame)) !!

as i said before ,we re not in DBZ here:in naruto world ,the number of shinobis you face, no matter their level,(well if at least they re at chunin or jounin level of course) could be a huge factor even if you re stronger than all of them

MysticNinjaJay · 2004-10-30, 06:22

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Originally Posted by tramadrama

I didn't get that from reading it. I think he was referring to Sasuke and Naruto. Even with Sharingan, he didn't see what happened to them coming.

Maybe it's just me, but I am disappointed with Naruto, but then again, it is expected. He doesn't give up on his friends and so forth so, what more can I expect. I just wish he'd forget about Sasuke. Jiraiya does not have a valid statement comparing Sasuke to Oro, that is farfetched, but, if Naruto wants to save Sasuke, the first thing he has to do is save his own ass. Three years of training without Sasuke on the brain is just what he needs.

Yeah I reread that and it seems he was actuallt talking about Sasuke and Naruto. Hopefully we'll learn more about Obito and Kakashi soon. His passed is mentioned to often for Kishimoto to not pass it up. The next few chpaters will probably focus one where Naruto and Jirraiya are going and I woudn't be surprised to learn about Sasuke pretty soon aswell. I hope they cover the other Genins to but they may just cover how they've advanced after the time skip. The Genin will probably all be chunin by then and some of them likely very powerful. If Jiraiya intends for Naruto to be string enough to defend himself against Akatsuki he should become immensely powerful.

naantje · 2004-10-30, 06:22

Ya, Kakashi was indeed hinting at the fact he couldn't see Sasuke betraying even with his Sharingan.. Not at the fact he had it before Obito died.

Also, TRAINING ARC TRAINING ARCTRAINING ARC TRAINING ARCTRAINING ARC TRAINING ARC

Onegem · 2004-10-30, 06:43

Oh man

, and I thought we were going to see some other villages soon, like the village of Cloud X_X, with this very probable time skip of 3 years of training, it doesn't look to be happening very soon =(

Btw, Naruto was cute in this chapter ^^.

Ero-Senn1n · 2004-10-30, 06:45

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Originally Posted by itachistyle

it s simple:they would be completely outnumbered by konoha(remember that as strong as they are, there re only 8 ninjas in akatsuki and of course all are not stronger than hokage ex:kisame)) !!

as i said before ,we re not in DBZ here:in naruto world ,the number of shinobis you face, no matter their level,(well if at least they re at chunin or jounin level of course) could be a huge factor even if you re stronger than all of them

When the sound/sand attacked the Leaf village they summoned some destroyer snakes which are obviously weaker than Manda. Only Jiraiya could stop them, they killed a lot of shinobi. Jounin level can do nothing about Boss summonings, I know that Boss is not as strong as Kyuubi was, but still only a kage/sannin level can counter a boss animal.
When Itachi and Kisame talk they say it does not matter how many they are against Jiraiya (if I remember correctly). Also when the sound4 raise the wall on the rooftop, Oro says that it's better for Sarutobi this way, if other leaf would interfere it would be only more trouble for Sarutobi.

From all this: quality > quantity in Naruto. Just look at the fight when Kurenai+Kakashi+Asuma stand in front of Itachi. Its 3vs1 but with a high level jutsu it does not matter for Itachi. These people have jutsu that can affect a whole army. Just think about Jirailya's Swamp of the underworld, a whole army could sink into it.

My guess is that destroying the power of the villages is simpler than ruling the world after that. If people hate you they can poison your food or kill you while sleeping, and when you rule it the others like you will all challenge you. So having the power of Kyuubi means nobody will ever question you as the ruler of the narutiverse.

MysticNinjaJay · 2004-10-30, 07:26

As of yet we still don't know what Akatsuki wants with Kyuubi. Obviously it has something to do with its power. They are already strong on their own and raw power may or may not make a difference in their dominance. They may be doing some weird ritual they need Kyuubi for, whatever the case its sure to be cool. I wander what sort of powers the other members have. Orochimaru has an immortality jutsu. Itachi has an seemingly unbeatable genjutsu. Kisame has Samehada which appears to have mysterious powers we have yet to see. We know of the flytrap guy who is sure to be one major freak. I think all of them have some unique power that makes them worthy of being apart of such an organization.

fourheadedmoose · 2004-10-30, 07:51

I don't like the way Naruto is developing. Yes, seeing a time skip would be good, but it's all a bit cheesy. You know? The Naruto-will-suceed-where-others-have-all-failed-because-he's-Naruto-and-his-determination-wins-all story line. I'd much rather see him go up against an evil Susuke. It would make things more exciting and less predictable.

MysticNinjaJay · 2004-10-30, 08:06

He already fought Sasuke. He may fight Sasuke again in the future. I think this arc will be good for the series. Naruto has been moving too slowly. Although I'm concerned about the attention paid to the other characters. I hope they don't just sit around waiting for Naruto to get strong and actually do something with their own lives in the meantime. The time skip feels strange because not much time has passed between the beginning of the series and now. The biggest time skip so far was a month wait for the Chunin exam final. All the other chapters previously were almost day to day or week to week stuff. Thats why the filler seemed so awkward here we are with the characters changing so much and the filler makes them act like their everyday selves before the Chunin exam. Sasuke espcecially changed alot in appearance and attitude shortly after the Chunin exam. Now with a 3 year time jump they're sure to change in personality a whole lot.

JoopFOX · 2004-10-30, 08:44

O my gosh Sakura looks hot in that picture. Better than Tsunade IMO. Sasuke looks cool also. Naruto could be cooler if he would look more serious. And a bit less painting on his face.

tramadrama · 2004-10-30, 09:12

Let me take a stab at this to give some light on a direction I would want with this:

Jiraiya has a crap load of information out. Now, if I am not mistaken, the last time Jiraiya was seen was after he escorted Tsunade back to Konoha. Then, we have this arc coming to an end, which means, I don't see that much time passing by since he left and this chapter. Someone could say that this all took place in like 5 days or so, who knows. Point is, he has some good info in a short amount of time. With all the info that he has, the obvious spy, IMO, would be Kabuto, but he's not the spy because like I said, it would be obvious. Oro gave me the impression by things he has said throughout the manga that the Immortality Jutsu was his own personal jutsu that he created. Oro doesn't seem like the kind of person that would go around spreading his techniques and the secrets to them. As they say, a magician never reveals his secrets. The fact about Jiraiya knowing the time span about the jutsu is overwhelming, IMO. I really would like to know who he found that out from, if not Kabuto.

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It's possible that Orochimaru has already attempted to kill Itachi and died for it. During the Chuunin Arc we find out that Orochimaru has already switched bodies. In the first scene in the sound Village we are shown Orochimaru's Akatsuki ring. It is residing on a dead decaying hand. This might just be a morbid idiosyncracy but it could also be that Orochimaru attempted to kill Itachi; failed and was forced to abandon his body to safe his life after narrowly escaping Itachi.

I think the main reason that Oro changed bodies was for its youth, in this instance. His original body should be well around 50 or more years old. He seems to be fascinated with youth. I don't see the age of Jiraiya or Tsunade affecting them, but they don't have near as much pep in their step as Oro.

I hope that for this training to work, there is a time skip. But, the time skip needs to be in a different sense of everyone being chunnin. It is going to be sad to see the possibility of everyone being chunnin except for Naruto when he gets back from his training. If they do a slow time skip, we may get to see some of the other villages. However, if they do a huge time skip, I hope the time goes right to the start of another chunnin exam and that's where everyone sees Naruto since he was hospitalized. This reminds me of how everyone saw Goku when he came back for the tournment against Piccalo. Three years till the next chunin exam(that involved the Leaf as much as it did in this past one) would be great. I don't believe that the Leaf will host the next one and probably won't be as equipped as before with all of the reconstruction going on. So, and this is my wish for things to come, the next Chunnin exam that everyone will be involved in takes place in a different village and that is were Naruto makes his return. Heh, considering the skills of the Sound, Sasuke will be Jounin the moment he steps foot in the Sound Village.

Retta · 2004-10-30, 09:20

OMFG...i knew it all along. Read the thread about chapter 236.

Next time they leave...oh oh oh...now its only time for NEJI to be the super konoha ninja. ANBU baby. so ANBU he is...

anyway, about 10 to 20 weeks..they will be 16 year old punks...cool. but i think it will make another turn in the humour they have. Sakura will get boobs who we actully will see. Narutos cheeks will look more funky. N' Sasuke will use colors on his nails.

Animizzle · 2004-10-30, 09:20

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Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

Now with a 3 year time jump they're sure to change in personality a whole lot.

Yeah, and all for the better. What Jirayia told Naruto was basically: Grow up naruto, the time where you could fool around is no more.

With so many stuff happening it was imo the best decision Kishimoto could make to skip ahead and mature everybody. This way the serie doesn't get too repetitive, which is all good eh?

Genei Killua · 2004-10-30, 09:41

Jiraiya doesn't need a spy in the Hidden Sound village in order to get his information. Many here seem to be forgetting that one of his greatest abilities is 'data-gathering'. It is all-too-possible that he has some really awesome 'peeping-tom' no jutsus which he derived into great spying jutsus. As he told the Sandaime, he's never been caught when he uses them.

tramadrama · 2004-10-30, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Genei Killua

Jiraiya doesn't need a spy in the Hidden Sound village in order to get his information. Many here seem to be forgetting that one of his greatest abilities is 'data-gathering'. It is all-too-possible that he has some really awesome 'peeping-tom' no jutsus which he derived into great spying jutsus. As he told the Sandaime, he's never been caught when he uses them.

I dont think anyone forgot it...but come on!!! He's not sneaking up on Mickey Mouse. But we have seen how Jiraiya work first hand. Although I doubt we were subjected to all of his "data gathering" skills, a perfect example on how he networks was the search for Tsunade. He asked around villages and towns showing the chicks picture. Some of his data gathering has to involve people. Name one person out there that would know crucial info like that. I don't think you can go around a village and ask questions about Oro or the Akatsuki or things of that nature. It's true that Jiraiya could possibly sneak to the Hidden Sound Village and henge into a freakin' bush or something in the middle of Oro's room.

If he found all of this out on his own without the help of anyone, then this mofo is smarter in more ways than one. Obviously the data gathering techniques were acquired after his fight with Oro because he sure didn't have enough info to avoid an ass kicking.

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pyu Crouchety Old Man Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Singapore	Just read a Chinese translation of it - perhaps I would read Inane's one, but I don't think there's any significant differences if the translators did their work. Naruto is around 12 or 14? If I remember correctly, he didn't make the grade twice before his successful attempt. So is he older than the peers around him? Anyway, I do hope Kishimoto would spend some time covering the other genins and what they will be doing before embarking on his timeskip. Looks like the manga is getting back to 'not sucking' levels after the Naruto v.s Sasuke 'fiasco'.

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Ero-Senn1n Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hidden Village of Sake	From this chapter it seems like Jiraiya has a spy network better then the CIA and KGB together Tsunade and Orochimaru are leaders of their village, so Jiraiya leader of some "hidden village of perverted spies" ? Jiraiya the Erokage!

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zamme Wandering Prophet Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 37	Does anyone else think that Sakura will begin wearing that "Fighting Spirit" jacket she has in her room? (Ep. 3 anime) Would make her look more like Tsunade.. :)

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Onegem Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004	Oh man , and I thought we were going to see some other villages soon, like the village of Cloud X_X, with this very probable time skip of 3 years of training, it doesn't look to be happening very soon =( Btw, Naruto was cute in this chapter ^^.

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MysticNinjaJay Ninja Emperor Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 39	As of yet we still don't know what Akatsuki wants with Kyuubi. Obviously it has something to do with its power. They are already strong on their own and raw power may or may not make a difference in their dominance. They may be doing some weird ritual they need Kyuubi for, whatever the case its sure to be cool. I wander what sort of powers the other members have. Orochimaru has an immortality jutsu. Itachi has an seemingly unbeatable genjutsu. Kisame has Samehada which appears to have mysterious powers we have yet to see. We know of the flytrap guy who is sure to be one major freak. I think all of them have some unique power that makes them worthy of being apart of such an organization.

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fourheadedmoose Fourheadedmoose Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Norn Arn	I don't like the way Naruto is developing. Yes, seeing a time skip would be good, but it's all a bit cheesy. You know? The Naruto-will-suceed-where-others-have-all-failed-because-he's-Naruto-and-his-determination-wins-all story line. I'd much rather see him go up against an evil Susuke. It would make things more exciting and less predictable.

2004-10-30, 08:06	Link #194
MysticNinjaJay Ninja Emperor Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 39	He already fought Sasuke. He may fight Sasuke again in the future. I think this arc will be good for the series. Naruto has been moving too slowly. Although I'm concerned about the attention paid to the other characters. I hope they don't just sit around waiting for Naruto to get strong and actually do something with their own lives in the meantime. The time skip feels strange because not much time has passed between the beginning of the series and now. The biggest time skip so far was a month wait for the Chunin exam final. All the other chapters previously were almost day to day or week to week stuff. Thats why the filler seemed so awkward here we are with the characters changing so much and the filler makes them act like their everyday selves before the Chunin exam. Sasuke espcecially changed alot in appearance and attitude shortly after the Chunin exam. Now with a 3 year time jump they're sure to change in personality a whole lot.

2004-10-30, 08:44	Link #195
JoopFOX Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	O my gosh Sakura looks hot in that picture. Better than Tsunade IMO. Sasuke looks cool also. Naruto could be cooler if he would look more serious. And a bit less painting on his face.

2004-10-30, 09:20	Link #197
Retta A/S/L...? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 38	OMFG...i knew it all along. Read the thread about chapter 236. Next time they leave...oh oh oh...now its only time for NEJI to be the super konoha ninja. ANBU baby. so ANBU he is... anyway, about 10 to 20 weeks..they will be 16 year old punks...cool. but i think it will make another turn in the humour they have. Sakura will get boobs who we actully will see. Narutos cheeks will look more funky. N' Sasuke will use colors on his nails.

2004-10-30, 09:41	Link #199
Genei Killua Mashou no Tenshi Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH Age: 39	Jiraiya doesn't need a spy in the Hidden Sound village in order to get his information. Many here seem to be forgetting that one of his greatest abilities is 'data-gathering'. It is all-too-possible that he has some really awesome 'peeping-tom' no jutsus which he derived into great spying jutsus. As he told the Sandaime, he's never been caught when he uses them.