StarCraft 2

[Archon_Wing]

Sc1 2v2 was considered imba since pro gamers always devolved into zerg rush fests, so that zz teams were actually banned! But there were definitely korean pros playing it, and it proved too boring and stale to watch. They're actually saying sc2 2v2 is superior to sc1 by far, though maps help a lot. Sc1 Blizzard maps were actually worse than sc2 maps, if you can imagine.

Of course, I'm just referring to 2v2, 3v3+ is generally trash when it comes to the skill required, and all of them are trash in comparison to playing 1v1 decently. Honestly, playing 1v1 with other forumers just shows how really little I know about how much the game really works.


(Then again, if one is not Korean, you're definitely trash, so there's no really need to worry about skills and which is better)

[Flying Dagger]

2v2 is very map dependent.
Take any separate base maps for example, a very simple TT 5 marine rush (10 together!) will be impossible to stop as they can be out before you can even make a sentry/get speedlings/banelings. You can spine but they can just tuck their marines away from your single spine and shoot away.
Oh, this is not even an all in, as you easily transition into mid game .

1v1s you are protected by a lot of terrain (2s maps often do not offer a safe natural). Rush distances are limited and you are also protected by random spawning.

The 8 base 4 teams map is a good start.

SelecT used to stream his 2v2s, but after his failure in MLG he has not been streaming that much. 2v2s, if no rushes are involved, can be very interesting to watch as you can opt for interesting unit combos such as infestors+HT (116 unescapable damage!)...

[Archon_Wing]

This is why shared base maps are generally better games.

[Flying Dagger]

GSLST finals tonight! hype hype!
Dreamhack begins tonight! But its in CEST, ie: if you live in EST you are going to be watching starting from like.... 3am~ >.<.

[Kyuu]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

GSLST finals tonight! hype hype!
Dreamhack begins tonight! But its in CEST, ie: if you live in EST you are going to be watching starting from like.... 3am~ >.<.

Oh good. Early broadcast time. LOLOL

[paladinenvec]

Lately i have been winning all my TvT's with 2 racks factory build i only build some siege tanks and add 3 more rax once the exp is up to make mass marines and some medivacs ,basically it's the same marine/tank/medivac that we always see in GSL, the mobility of it it's abusable, well i'm plat/diamond lvl so i think this doesn't work that well with masters but i think that i'm improving a little lol...

[Anubis4272]

Zerg Rush FTW!!!

[paladinenvec]

Originally Posted by Anubis4272

Zerg Rush FTW!!!

which one?xD

[Hooves]

The Zergling rush??

[paladinenvec]

Originally Posted by Hooves

The Zergling rush??

who knows?? he only said Zerg race, maybe he means 6/8/10 pool or something like that as you said

[Xero8420]

Zergs are quite economically powerful. Especially with Hydras & Roaches combo. Dang, I got owned by my friend with that combo when he played as zerg. But still, Terran FTW!!!

All of these real multiplayer stuffs? Dang, I barely played it for months. All I played is custom games. >.<

Anyway, can't wait to look forward for Heart of the Swarm.

[Hooves]

I havn't played for quite awhile Probably because I fear playing on a laptop and clearly outdated on the many things people are picking up now.

[paladinenvec]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Zergs are quite economically powerful. Especially with Hydras & Roaches combo. Dang, I got owned by my friend with that combo when he played as zerg. But still, Terran FTW!!!

All of these real multiplayer stuffs? Dang, I barely played it for months. All I played is custom games. >.<

Anyway, can't wait to look forward for Heart of the Swarm.

since im terran i almost never see hydras and when i see them my tanks melt them, the only unit that i really hate are the mutalisk , they simply don't let you get out of your base, i miss science vessels =/.
BTW people who you think will win GSLST? Polt or MMA, i like both players but my vote goes for MMA since it's Boxer's diciple...

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by paladinenvec

since im terran i almost never see hydras and when i see them my tanks melt them, the only unit that i really hate are the mutalisk , they simply don't let you get out of your base, i miss science vessels =/.
BTW people who you think will win GSLST? Polt or MMA, i like both players but my vote goes for MMA since it's Boxer's diciple...

Well, science vessels are campaign-exclusive unit. Raven's defensive drones could have help you.

What's MMA?

Anyway, here's the previews of Heart of The Swarm.

[Pocari_Sweat]

Yea, hydralisks pretty bad in SC2. The only time they are used in en masse is when P goes for a stargate opener and a ling/hydra comp timing window can exploit it.

Hydras are pretty trash against T and in Zerg the metagame is all about ling/roach/infestor.

Think the introduction of roaches destroyed the hydra as the "go to mass ranged unit" >.<

[paladinenvec]

Well, science vessels are campaign-exclusive unit. Raven's defensive drones could have help you.

Science vessels in Starcraft 1 : Brood war were the " muta defense" they were mobile they could use defense matrix to support units and use irradiate to stop muta harass, ravens with seeker missile are not good since the missile it's really sloooooow and mutas can just go away and come back lol before it actually hits not to mention that it's energy expensive, i think that it was 125 energy? .
And MMA it's Slayers_MMA a Pro player from Korea .

[Ithekro]

Dreamhack begins.

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by paladinenvec

Science vessels in Starcraft 1 : Brood war were the " muta defense" they were mobile they could use defense matrix to support units and use irradiate to stop muta harass, ravens with seeker missile are not good since the missile it's really sloooooow and mutas can just go away and come back lol before it actually hits not to mention that it's energy expensive, i think that it was 125 energy? .
And MMA it's Slayers_MMA a Pro player from Korea .

Err... I actually said Defensive drones, not Hunter Seeker missiles. Defense drones can help you against range-attack units, which shoot lasers to destroy projectiles.

[Kyuu]

Originally Posted by paladinenvec

Science vessels in Starcraft 1 : Brood war were the " muta defense" they were mobile they could use defense matrix to support units and use irradiate to stop muta harass, ravens with seeker missile are not good since the missile it's really sloooooow and mutas can just go away and come back lol before it actually hits not to mention that it's energy expensive, i think that it was 125 energy? .
And MMA it's Slayers_MMA a Pro player from Korea .

Then add 200/200 research for Seeker Missle? (If I'm wrong and it's cheaper, I doubt Seeker is worth the resource/research time anyways)

[paladinenvec]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Err... I actually said Defensive drones, not Hunter Seeker missiles. Defense drones can help you against range-attack units, which shoot lasers to destroy projectiles.

It may be effective only in the first encounters when mutalisks are only few but when they get their giant muta ball it's when things get difficult ,when you're attacking ,your base gets exposed to them, late game vs zerg it's like that, so i try that the game doesn't get extended too much.
Well the point it's that Ravens actually don´t fill vessels old job xD! but who knows maybe someone find an alternative way to control the zerg more easily it's a strategy game and it's evolving...even Brood War keeps evolving lol...