Velvet Kiss

[MAX_COLA_POWER!]

Well we know for a fact you're a fan of her work Drago-v-;;. With that inviting signature you have, who wouldn't wanna read Velvet Kiss or any other of her series?^^;;.

[DragoZERO]

I am a fan, but that isn't to say I like everything she's done. I'm not totally biased (if that's what you're implying).

And I am hoping to attract more fellow readers with the sig. I did it with Kimiiro Focus too.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Hedgehog love? Never heard that one before, boy is it spot on.

it comes from Evangelion. When Ritsuko was talking about Shinji with Misato thats the way she described relationship. You still need warmth so you go for it, but at the same time you are afraid of getting hurt but in the end you still get close even if that undoubtedly lead to getting hurt. Like hedgehogs.

It perfectly described Shinji and Asuka's relationship in the series, or any relationship in the series in fact (of course I am talking about original one and not that utterly dumbed down Rebuild which is nothing but an Evangelion for dummies).

[DragoZERO]

Oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah!! I remember now!

[Darknemo2000]

Well there they called it a hedgehogs Dilemma rather than Hedgehog Love but its pretty much the same.

LCeh

Spoiler for Sp:

I think they did grew more distant. In the first ten chapters tehy spend a lot of chapters together, in the next 10 more with other poeple. Nitta with Rumi while Kano with her 'friends' and Yuki. They doo have some sex (or cute moments like in ch 17) but its obvious that after meeting Rumi Nitta's heart is more with Rumi than with Kano.

[Nosauz]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

it comes from Evangelion. When Ritsuko was talking about Shinji with Misato thats the way she described relationship. You still need warmth so you go for it, but at the same time you are afraid of getting hurt but in the end you still get close even if that undoubtedly lead to getting hurt. Like hedgehogs.

It perfectly described Shinji and Asuka's relationship in the series, or any relationship in the series in fact (of course I am talking about original one and not that utterly dumbed down Rebuild which is nothing but an Evangelion for dummies).

Spoiler for eva crap if you haven't seen it or don't care:

aahh yea, the misato kaji thing, then the misato shinji thing

rebuild is alright, but it removed most of the darker elements.

Still Velvet kiss of most of the ero mangas, isn't even all that compelling, At least in the previous title done by the artist, there was a juxtaposition to loyalty to a loved one and loyalty to the job, this just seems to be a convuluted story concoted so that they can have kinky sex with out it seeming too generic.

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by Key Board

not surprising

it's women mangaka who are more open about these things.
They've been doing this since Sei Shonagan and before that.

The somewhat recent B Gata H Kei and Aki Sora for instance, were both drawn by women

male mangaka prefer to run in circles around the issue, which is why you get so many silly harem hijinks

The normally more "complex" minds of women mangakas make the reading more "mature" and complex

Of course, sometimes things get crazy like with Itosugi Masahiro's works (A Wish of My Sister, Aki Sora), which are things that I doubt most people would even attempt

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Nosauz

Spoiler for eva crap if you haven't seen it or don't care:

aahh yea, the misato kaji thing, then the misato shinji thing

rebuild is alright, but it removed most of the darker elements.

Still Velvet kiss of most of the ero mangas, isn't even all that compelling, At least in the previous title done by the artist, there was a juxtaposition to loyalty to a loved one and loyalty to the job, this just seems to be a convuluted story concoted so that they can have kinky sex with out it seeming too generic.

It plays of modern times understanding of sex - no strings attached. It is compelling as long as you understand the modern times.

It is pretty obvious that the debt was not the (unlucky accident, but carefully carried out plan. Not by Kano but by someone else who is cunning and scheming enough.

What purpose it serves - no one knows and its one of the mysteries in this manga.

Kano has no problems in having sex - she had plenty of orgies in the past, but she obviously never felt that sex would start feel - well sensual and intimate.

Before it was just casual act that she didnt even enjoyed too much (her 'friends' talking about how hse usually was etc tell us that). Just kind of social duty to keep communicating with her 'friends'.

Now sex turning into making love and it confuses the hell of her, specially when her partner (Nitta) isnt even noticing the changes apart from her becoming more sensual. But he thinks she is justr a nympho and that she is like that all the time.

So yeah for me - it's compelling/ Theonly thing that makes me puzzled is that Nitta never tried to find the girl who placed him in his debt - this part is indeed unrealistic, but everything looks fine and touches a deeper meaning that most msut manga's do.

[Nosauz]

then notion that sex is nothing more than an action in "modern times" is absurd, it's meant to be pleasureful, thats why we do it, that is the "modern" understanding to sex, it is no longer solely intimacy but yea you get the nuanced clash between intimate sex and sex for the sake of pleasure, but due to the ero manga's nature it really isnt fleshed out at all, their sex for the most part simply indicates their pleasure although we are to believe that some how Nitta is attached to Kano, in the end it's based on what you like but if you think Nitta is solely having sex with Kano because it's pleasureful I feel like we're reading the wrong manga. If you look at something like Ring x Mama, although its a sex fest, specifically love and devil, where there is character development, interesting plot twists etc, but this just feels schizophrenic at times.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Nosauz

then notion that sex is nothing more than an action in "modern times" is absurd, it's meant to be pleasureful, thats why we do it, that is the "modern" understanding to sex, it is no longer solely intimacy but yea you get the nuanced clash between intimate sex and sex for the sake of pleasure, but due to the ero manga's nature it really isnt fleshed out at all, their sex for the most part simply indicates their pleasure although we are to believe that some how Nitta is attached to Kano, in the end it's based on what you like but if you think Nitta is solely having sex with Kano because it's pleasureful I feel like we're reading the wrong manga. If you look at something like Ring x Mama, although its a sex fest, specifically love and devil, where there is character development, interesting plot twists etc, but this just feels schizophrenic at times.

The dpeth comes from Kano rather than Nitta.

Kano has a deadpan expression disinterest in having sex, despite that she used to have sex with her 'friends'. As a mean to connect herself however, she never really enjoyed it

Spoiler for spoiler:

Chapter 15 when one of her friends starts groping around is surprised that she is sensitive and showing the expressions because normally she is ice-cold.

The reason she starts having sex with Nitta is not real;ly because she expects pleasure but again because she leeks seeing 'adults' without masks. Sex is just another mean to do that (Kano is mentally twisted character). We have had that revelation in chapter 7.

She hoewver eventually starts enjoying it and being very sensitive, something that she did is not used to feeling during sex.

Just like she is not used at having someone saying "Goodnight" for her.

Kano is an ultimately lone figure. She never is really friends with her 'friends', she is a highclass so doesnt live in commoner world either. she does not associate with her family and instead of living with them spends her time alone in hotels.

She is actually a very lonely figure in this manga whom everyone fail to understand or even try to.

Nitta is much more simple. You should not expect much depth from him. But Kano is certainly an interesting character to explore who gives plenty of depth for this manga.

I dont think the author really intended to hit all those sociaty themes in here, just like Evangelion never intended to turn to some issues that it eventually turned into, but thats how it happens sometimes with stories that turn out better than they were really intended to be.

[Khalil]

Just popping in to say, ch. 11 is out.

[LCeh]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Spoiler for Sp:

I think they did grew more distant. In the first ten chapters tehy spend a lot of chapters together, in the next 10 more with other poeple. Nitta with Rumi while Kano with her 'friends' and Yuki. They doo have some sex (or cute moments like in ch 17) but its obvious that after meeting Rumi Nitta's heart is more with Rumi than with Kano.

Spoiler:

That's true. The fact that Nitta is actually targeting another girl certainly changes things up a little, at least from his perspective. I guess for now we will just be seeing more development from Kano in terms of her character in the upcoming chaps.

[DragoZERO]

Hmmm...

Spoiler for Chapter 11:

Kano and her friends were having a normal dinner. Harumi sure does dress Kano up nicely. Reminds me of Seo with how he always had good taste in clothing, some authors are bad after all. I guess they had a good time after, although I kind of hope they do more than just have sex, I mean, when you're all rich like that, you go do so much more, like go to concerts, big time clubs, etc.

Nitta's brother had some focus this time around. That girl was hella cute too. I like boobs too, but you gotta hand to the guy, "any boobs are good boobs" haha. I guess he got a pretty good deal, hah. I do hate how the chapter ended like that. And you just know we'll have to wait to find out too.

Originally Posted by Khalil

Just popping in to say, ch. 11 is out.

Thanks but, I think most people use MU or some other method of finding out. Tell us your thoughts on the chapter next time.

[jzmagic]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Hmmm...

Spoiler for Chapter 11:

Kano and her friends were having a normal dinner. Harumi sure does dress Kano up nicely. Reminds me of Seo with how he always had good taste in clothing, some authors are bad after all. I guess they had a good time after, although I kind of hope they do more than just have sex, I mean, when you're all rich like that, you go do so much more, like go to concerts, big time clubs, etc.

Nitta's brother had some focus this time around. That girl was hella cute too. I like boobs too, but you gotta hand to the guy, "any boobs are good boobs" haha. I guess he got a pretty good deal, hah. I do hate how the chapter ended like that. And you just know we'll have to wait to find out too.

Thanks but, I think most people use MU or some other method of finding out. Tell us your thoughts on the chapter next time.

Spoiler for predictions:

Do you think Harumi will ever draw full blown sex scenes with Kano and her friends/Yuki? We know that offscreen they've done orgies before, but I wonder if she'll want to keep the innocence factor with Kano to the readers.

[Darknemo2000]

Those who downloaded the chapter from soba-scans early or read it from manga-fox

It is missing one page

http://i52.tinypic.com/dxiljd.jpg

So redownload and reread it again.

[grylsyjaeger]

I came her because of Dragon's signature. XD

Just read up to chapter ten in one go, interesting artwork... I mean story!

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by jzmagic

Spoiler for predictions:

Do you think Harumi will ever draw full blown sex scenes with Kano and her friends/Yuki? We know that offscreen they've done orgies before, but I wonder if she'll want to keep the innocence factor with Kano to the readers.

You know, I don't think she will. That innocence factor is still pretty big in Japan, right? And being the weak and pure hearted reader I am, I hope she doesn't, haha.

[Nosauz]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

You know, I don't think she will. That innocence factor is still pretty big in Japan, right? And being the weak and pure hearted reader I am, I hope she doesn't, haha.

Eh considering there is a genre based on NTR, I wouldn't go that far. Anyway I think this will be similar to her previous work, and that Nitta and Kano both won't "really stray" when referring to the relationship.

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

You know, I don't think she will. That innocence factor is still pretty big in Japan, right? And being the weak and pure hearted reader I am, I hope she doesn't, haha.

Only in shounen

Which this isn't

It's mentioned earlier, women authors are more open about thing.

To simplify things, shounen is all about the chase, couples take a long time to have sex, if ever. The woman becomes the prize. It's sad to say that often sex itself is the unsaid but de facto goal. This is why purity and virginity is a bigger issue.

Shoujo romances are more about staying together, so couples tend to confess earlier, and if its for a more older audience, they also have sex earlier. Sex is often used as a trial or obstacle instead of a goal. Which is why you see more rape or implied rape in shoujo. It chalenges the male character, and poses a question to him: "can you love me after all of this?" "Am I just a prize and is my virgin unspoiled body all that you care for"?

Which style of storytelling do you think, Velvet Kiss follows? To me, it's clear they follow the latter

[EroKing]

Ah yes, another person here who started reading this after looking at DragoZERO's delicious siggy

Already caught up till chapter 11 and enjoying it. I can already see the ending - Kano and Nitta as a real couple. Though watching the roller coaster of the drama as to how they get there is sure as hell going to be entertaining.

Originally Posted by Key Board

It's mentioned earlier, women authors are more open about thing.

lol as soon as my perverted mind read that line i was grinning hard