2011-06-19, 18:25 | Link #1721 | |
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As someone that is involved with research, I can tell you things do not work the same as it should ideally. I think that is true for other professional fields apart from science. Ego and jealously is one problem, but often being professional means you are very career oriented. Bad blood happens just because of career advancement and fights over funding. It has nothing to do with good science, and it is all about politics and money. |
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2011-06-19, 18:46 | Link #1723 |
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I get the impression Kurisu's father suffers from an inferiority complex to his own daughter. Given the fact they work in separate fields of science, competition for jobs or money doesn't appear to be the main issue here.
On the subject I'm very unimpressed with the backstory behind the Kurisu family breakup, simply because there are always better and smarter people out there. Kurisu's father should realize how lucky he is to have his own daughter outsmart him, instead of some competing scientist who could actually do some economic damage to his family. Usually people of affluence are happy to be building a legacy, passing down the torch to descendants of greater skill. However I'm going to also argue scientists hate to be corrected. Scientists put a lot of faith and work into their calculations and predictions, so telling them their effort all went to waste is pretty heartbreaking. Sometimes I wonder if scientists even believe in the concept of "love" - given the scientific articles I read on hormones, stating how emotions can be explained through chemical imbalances. Perhaps Kurisu's father doesn't love his own daughter. Even though Kurisu recalled her father sharing scientific papers with her, there was not a word about her father ever showing any signs of parental affection. |
2011-06-19, 19:43 | Link #1725 |
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Apparently on 16/6 was released another version of the VN for the 360 "Steins;Gate Hiyoku Renri no Darling"
the description where i found: "The Steins Gate series is made of 99% science and 1% fantasy. But in this installment, this proportion no longer holds true. The players can have 100% of what they want. The tone becomes lighter, more like a love comedy, see what the characters are up to when they are not doing experiments and creating chaos. The game has more events and CGs, so discover new sides of characters that are usually hidden by their tough or cheerful exteriors. Get closer to the girls by sending them random emails. The interface becomes even easier to use, so just slide into your white lab coat to start your adventure." haha AWESOME! just looking at the description + video we can already see some good events that i wish would be animated like all the girls wearing the maid uniform or Kurisu and Okabe sharing the same bed =D |
2011-06-19, 20:04 | Link #1726 | |
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If the visual novel writer chooses to give Kurisu a bastard of a father, it's not my place as a viewer to immediately despise his character and dismiss the writing as garbage. (At least, I don't believe so...) I understand why you'd be offended, and yet your irateness may be exactly what the writers are trying to extract with such a character. There could be a perfectly sympathetic reason as to why Kurisu's father disowned his own daughter. |
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2011-06-19, 20:28 | Link #1727 |
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I wasn't taking issue with the story, which hasn't even shown us Kurisu's father yet. I was taking issue with something you mentioned in your speculation; namely the part where you moved beyond discussing a single character in a single work of fiction and decided to characterize scientists as a whole as having a doubtful grasp of the concept of love.
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2011-06-19, 20:53 | Link #1728 |
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In defense of Kurisu's father, he seems like he was a rather decent guy towards her, aside from all of his study of time travel. It looks as though the problem didn't really start between them until she got to a point in her studies where she saw the flaws in his theories consistently and shot him down because of them. We have no reason to think before that point that he wasn't a good, caring father to her.
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2011-06-20, 00:17 | Link #1729 | |
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2011-06-20, 09:52 | Link #1730 | |
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You do know what the scientific method is right? It's about constantly refining results and theories to better them. 'We stand on the shoulders of giants' etc. Any scientist who finds offense in scientific criticisms of their work is at heart not a scientist.
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2011-06-20, 11:50 | Link #1731 | |
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Scientific method is wonderful, until your neighbor invents the ipod and you have the opportunity to steal it
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2011-06-20, 15:33 | Link #1732 |
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Excuse me? Scientists are jealous heartless gloryhounding bastards is the stereotype and it's very very Wrong. Kurisu's father is a bad scientist for not being able to accept criticism from his closest intellectual peer.
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2011-06-20, 18:00 | Link #1733 |
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No my arguement is that you said that they ''We stand on the shoulders of giants' .
Scientists are people, give them something IMPORTANT, they then revert to the humans that they are. All scientists work for a goal, but when that goal is about to be achieved, then we see some interesting stuff happening. Contact is a good example of that. The young girl discovers it, the older man takes credit. They are both scientists working toward a common goal, but who ends up on top is the clincher. Does anyone remember who Bill Gates bought DOS from? How about the company that he stole the idea of the MOUSE? Though calling Gates a Scientist is a bit of a stretch..hehe. Just when someone one ups you, jealousy rears it's ugly head in all walks of life and scientists are not immune.
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2011-06-20, 18:23 | Link #1734 |
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Uhh... I don't think Kurisu's father is there for you to think scientists are cold and insensitive, but simply that Kurisu's father is cold and insensitive, not to mention really, really butthurt. Also, if he's constantly losing debates to an 18-year old, he's probably a shitty scientist.
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