Nanoha FanFiction Discussion

[DezoPenguin]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

More like one fine day I had a detailed discussion with a friend about the bare bones of the 'verse, and walked away from it feeling just a little horrified. Never again!

Combining the parts of the HxV Files that we've seen, deathcurse's tendencies, and the comments you've been making, I am now morbidly curious.

Accent on the "morbid" part.

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

More like one fine day I had a detailed discussion with a friend about the bare bones of the 'verse, and walked away from it feeling just a little horrified. Never again!

Best not to think too hard on the implications .....

Remember, crack pairing!

Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

Combining the parts of the HxV Files that we've seen, deathcurse's tendencies, and the comments you've been making, I am now morbidly curious.

Accent on the "morbid" part.

I'm not that bad! No one dies or anything!

........maiming doesn't count, right?

[00-Raiser]

Eh, maiming is another thing that often gets thrown in for a cheap gasp. Like death it needs to have impact. A very good example is what happened to Louise in Gundam 00.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

Combining the parts of the HxV Files that we've seen, deathcurse's tendencies, and the comments you've been making, I am now morbidly curious.

Accent on the "morbid" part.

Well....

Spoiler:

Stripping down the fluff of it all and just going to the bare bones, in particular with how Hayate is characterized in the 'verse, it's.... basically a story about an older woman who can only truly find comfort and love in a situation where she has a semi-incestuous relationship with her quasi-niece, all matters and questions of blood relation firmly aside for the moment.

It's not exactly morbid, I suppose, but it does paint Hayate overall in a rather unflattering light. When you strip away everything else though, I mean.

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Eh, maiming is another thing that often gets thrown in for a cheap gasp. Like death it needs to have impact. A very good example is what happened to Louise in Gundam 00.

I think it depends. Honestly, it's never so much the actual moment of being maimed, but the fallout of what happens afterward that should be the purpose of such an event (like a death too). And it's not so much "OMG Villain cut The Girl so the Hero is now in a Unstoppable Rage!!!!", but "what did the maimed character lose? How does this impact their view of themselves/the world/others? How do other people react to the event or the character?" All of which provides a lot of room for meaningful character development, if the writer actually follows through and doesn't just let it be a spectacle then fade into the background.

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Well....

Spoiler:

Stripping down the fluff of it all and just going to the bare bones, in particular with how Hayate is characterized in the 'verse, it's.... basically a story about an older woman who can only truly find comfort and love in a situation where she has a semi-incestuous relationship with her quasi-niece, all matters and questions of blood relation firmly aside for the moment.

It's not exactly morbid, I suppose, but it does paint Hayate overall in a rather unflattering light. When you strip away everything else though, I mean.

Viewed with rose-coloured glasses on , it could be a story of two people who work really damn hard to love each other despite social and emotional hurdles?

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

Viewed with rose-coloured glasses on , it could be a story of two people who work really damn hard to love each other despite social and emotional hurdles?

Indeed. It's when the rose-colored glasses come off that the fridge horror begins, which is why I make it a habit of not thinking all that deeply about the Files for fear of where my thoughts would lead me.

[Rising Dragon]

I imagine everyone else here was figuring the actual implications that RB was hinting at would be much worse, given who dc is...

[sniperk]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I imagine everyone else here was figuring the actual implications that RB was hinting at would be much worse, given who dc is...

Too true.

[Nanya01]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Eh, maiming is another thing that often gets thrown in for a cheap gasp. Like death it needs to have impact. A very good example is what happened to Louise in Gundam 00.

Depends on how badly maimed.

Err... *Looks at Nanoha* ... Good thing she can't move right now.

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Indeed. It's when the rose-colored glasses come off that the fridge horror begins, which is why I make it a habit of not thinking all that deeply about the Files for fear of where my thoughts would lead me.

Never crossed my mind . Else I worry that I wouldn't be able to enjoy my crack pairing so much anymore ....

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I imagine everyone else here was figuring the actual implications that RB was hinting at would be much worse, given who dc is...

That's okay, I can get it out of my system with non-canon shorts . Besides, you guys are all looking at it wrong--I've got to help build it up to be something fun, cute, and sweet ...so that all our readers will be so emotionally invested in the relationship that when Shigan allows TragedyWriter!deathcurse out to play, things will be even more tragic than if it had all started out angsty!

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

That's okay, I can get it out of my system with non-canon shorts . Besides, you guys are all looking at it wrong--I've got to help build it up to be something fun, cute, and sweet ...so that all our readers will be so emotionally invested in the relationship that when Shigan allows TragedyWriter!deathcurse out to play, things will be even more tragic than if it had all started out angsty!

I knew you had some kind of evil plan lurking behind all of the sweet sugary fluff.

[sniperk]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

That's okay, I can get it out of my system with non-canon shorts . Besides, you guys are all looking at it wrong--I've got to help build it up to be something fun, cute, and sweet ...so that all our readers will be so emotionally invested in the relationship that when Shigan allows TragedyWriter!deathcurse out to play, things will be even more tragic than if it had all started out angsty!

Now the cat's out of the bag... I'm honestly affraid to keep reading this...

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

I knew you had some kind of evil plan lurking behind all of the sweet sugary fluff.

Originally Posted by sniperk

Now the cat's out of the bag... I'm honestly affraid to keep reading this...

Er....I had forgotten to stick a "j/k" in my original post ......but I won't bother editing it, it's not like anyone would believe me anyway!

[Craxuan]

Oops, you guys went a little overboard.

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

I think it depends. Honestly, it's never so much the actual moment of being maimed, but the fallout of what happens afterward that should be the purpose of such an event (like a death too). And it's not so much "OMG Villain cut The Girl so the Hero is now in a Unstoppable Rage!!!!", but "what did the maimed character lose? How does this impact their view of themselves/the world/others? How do other people react to the event or the character?" All of which provides a lot of room for meaningful character development, if the writer actually follows through and doesn't just let it be a spectacle then fade into the background.

Yeah, which is why I listed Louise as an example. She was just an ordinary girl, going about her happy life despite the war that was going on. And then her entire family is killed and she loses a hand. She litterally got hit with a hard dose of reality and the way it was revealed by her refusing a ring from her boyfriend because she lacked the hand to wear it on was exceptionally well done. The event kick starts her instability that goes into the 2nd season, with her becoming a pilot bent on revenge.

Tad off topic, but again, this is an example I'd point to if you want to do something like that right.

[DezoPenguin]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Well....

Spoiler:

Stripping down the fluff of it all and just going to the bare bones, in particular with how Hayate is characterized in the 'verse, it's.... basically a story about an older woman who can only truly find comfort and love in a situation where she has a semi-incestuous relationship with her quasi-niece, all matters and questions of blood relation firmly aside for the moment.

It's not exactly morbid, I suppose, but it does paint Hayate overall in a rather unflattering light. When you strip away everything else though, I mean.

Well..."She's your mothers' best friend!"/"She's your best friends' daughter!" is actually kind of right out there on the table from the beginning, honestly. But then, you haven't had the benefit of having your ear chewed off by me for really needing to figure out where Nanoha and Fate are coming from in all this the way deathcurse has to hold up the large neon signs.

(But man, yeah, like everyone else, I was expecting something really awful to come out and show up. Maybe not AtomicoX awful, but at least pretty bad.)

[00-Raiser]

That's the worst thing about pigeon holing. I just hope dc doesn't feel pressured into making things tragic just because everyone expects it of her.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

Well..."She's your mothers' best friend!"/"She's your best friends' daughter!" is actually kind of right out there on the table from the beginning, honestly. But then, you haven't had the benefit of having your ear chewed off by me for really needing to figure out where Nanoha and Fate are coming from in all this the way deathcurse has to hold up the large neon signs.

(But man, yeah, like everyone else, I was expecting something really awful to come out and show up. Maybe not AtomicoX awful, but at least pretty bad.)

Indeed. Just, again, my mind kind of going out there and sort of imagining something nasty, though granted my thought is no where near as bleak as the one 'verse Bad End DC has already shown us where Hayate breaks Vivio's heart and causes her to rip through lovers like they're clothes.

I wanna see more of that Bad End, btw. Hint, hint.

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

Well..."She's your mothers' best friend!"/"She's your best friends' daughter!" is actually kind of right out there on the table from the beginning, honestly. But then, you haven't had the benefit of having your ear chewed off by me for really needing to figure out where Nanoha and Fate are coming from in all this the way deathcurse has to hold up the large neon signs.

(But man, yeah, like everyone else, I was expecting something really awful to come out and show up. Maybe not AtomicoX awful, but at least pretty bad.)

Yeah, but I did try to tone down the "She's your aunt"/"She's your niece!" aspect , since it's a different level of awkward than the "mothers' best friend/best friends' daughter" issue ....I had hoped to side-step that by Vivio's forethought to nip their "aunt/niece" relationship very early on .

(.........*resists....urges....* Man, I have to write PotB faster, if I want to get to ahem, later Hayate x Vivio fics that aren't as obvious in how they'd end! )

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

That's the worst thing about pigeon holing. I just hope dc doesn't feel pressured into making things tragic just because everyone expects it of her.

Thanks for the concern, but I doubt anyone would ever succeed in pressuring me to write something that I hadn't planned on doing anyway . But yeah, folks--how can I keep surprising you guys with terrible tragedy if you all come to expect it all the time from me?

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Indeed. Just, again, my mind kind of going out there and sort of imagining something nasty, though granted my thought is no where near as bleak as the one 'verse Bad End DC has already shown us where Hayate breaks Vivio's heart and causes her to rip through lovers like they're clothes.

I wanna see more of that Bad End, btw. Hint, hint.

LOL'd at "rip through lovers like they're clothes" for the many puns inherent in that phrase .

Hmmmmm.........what incentive is there for me?

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

But yeah, folks--how can I keep surprising you guys with terrible tragedy if you all come to expect it all the time from me?

Probably because you always manage to surprise us with what the terrible tragedy is.