2011-08-03, 09:27 | Link #1663 |
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Haha. I know there are enough interpretations of the ending, but I doubt that's one of them. Someone scream if this is considered to be off-topic and not relevant to the original question, I'll comply without asking.
Spoiler for Madoka Magica Ending:
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2011-08-18, 04:01 | Link #1664 |
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Did Hirano Aya quit for good?
In the Weiss Schwarz Portable PSP game, Haruhi's voice sounds like another person (or Hirano who caught a cold)
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2011-08-28, 12:35 | Link #1667 |
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No. Script wise, they are almost identical but the direction/animation is different each time. (Of course, the first and the last one differ significantly)
If you're watching the first season only, there are several possible orders, but if you are watching both seasons there is one and only one official order, that being the chronological as seen here. Anything other than that is just obsessive fans making things needlessly complicated in a misguided attempt to preserve the original airing order of season 1 which does not apply when all 28 episodes are included.
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2011-08-28, 13:27 | Link #1668 | |
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is there a point for me to get them? or should i just watch one and skip ahead |
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2011-08-28, 13:44 | Link #1669 | |
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When watching, I just go for the first and last ones (the most complete one and the one with the resolution) and skip the six in between.
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2011-08-28, 13:54 | Link #1670 |
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Animation and art are completely different in each episode. Different clothing for each episode. Styles are a little different in each one, and so on. The actual scene and conversations are almost exactly the same each time from two to six. There are little differences, variations of what was seen in the first one, since there took some stuff out for the main explaination scene each time. And sometimes they add something newish (like one time it is raining when it hadn't been raining the other times).
A lot of it seems like experimentation by the art directors to see who could make it look best. Some have really awesome levels of background art. Others have really detailed clothing and character art. Some have fanservicey artwork...others don't. Each episode....on its own, is fine. Taken together...can be annoying just for being repetitive. Ending is "Awesome" though. It feels more awesome after waiting for it for eight weeks.
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2011-08-28, 23:25 | Link #1671 |
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Or one heck of a letdown. My reaction was, "Really? THIS is how you're resolving things? After all you put is through, this is the best you can give us?"
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2011-08-28, 23:32 | Link #1672 | |
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However, it seems ppl are saying if u watch it in the chronological order, the series ends at ep6, and the rest are fillers? hence suggesting the TV broadcast order Is this the case? 8 eps of the same thing is pretty damn long, almost 1/3 of the anime series |
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2011-08-29, 01:50 | Link #1673 | |
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The rest? Yeah, it's filler (in a sense), but by this point you'll love the characters and anything they do is going to be entertaining to some degree, even if it doesn't have the same punch as the original story. The TV broadcast order was such BECAUSE the real story only took six episodes, so they had to artificially extend it. It's a gimmick, and far from the best way to tell the story. Because of that, I think you'll appreciate the anime much more if you watch the episodes in order and finish with the movie (which, if your hope was waning after seeing the second season, will totally and completely restore your faith in the series).
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2011-08-29, 17:12 | Link #1674 |
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Depends on what you mean by "filler". It's true that after the first six, episodes that significantly move the plot forward are few and far between. However every story (except one) is taken directly from the original light novels, so it's not like they were created to be "padding" until they could adapt the next "real" story... It's just that the best one, or at least the only one with a real climax, came first. But now that the movie is out, that doesn't really matter anymore since the movie has to be watched last anyway (and kind of works as a climax on its own).
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2011-08-29, 18:20 | Link #1675 |
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There are basically long stories and short stories. The only thing that could claim to be filler would be most of Endless Eight. If one takes all 28 episodes and the movie, there are three long stories, nine short stories and five-seven episodes of filler (depending on how one things E8 should be presented).
Defining things based on what moves the plot farther depends greatly on what one considers to be the plot.
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2011-08-29, 23:40 | Link #1676 | |
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For "plot development", I'd say "anything that matters in later episodes in any way beyond a few offhand remarks/references". In other words, any episode that would leave any sort of gap in the story if it were removed entirely. |
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, because after listing this, I'm now of the honest opinion that very little that happens in the series actually matters. It seems that you could get the full story just by watching Melancholy, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight (the last one), and Disappearance.
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2011-08-30, 02:33 | Link #1678 |
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Sighs - provides ample evidence of Haruhi's powers and development (turning point) in Kyon and Haruhi's relationship. Introduces the cat.
Adventures of Mikuru Asahina - End result of Sighs, provides character insight...somewhat...plus it provides us with a lot of Kyon's snark that is relevent to knowing him better. Also has a few scenes that are not seen in Sighs itself (the entire talk between Itsuki and Yuki over the unconscience Mikuru is not in Sighs and give a little hint into relations between the factions (peace talks perhaps). Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya - Introduces Tsuruya. Gives an aftermath to how things are after Melancholy that sets up things for later. Mystérique Sign - Provides more evidence of individual powers (Haruhi, Yuki, and Itsuki). Also provides evidence that Haruhi's powers can be used by someone that is not her (the Cave Cricket used the power of her sign to expand via the internet). Introduces Emiri. Remote Island Syndrome - Will be referenced later. Introduces Mori and Arkawa, and the two brothers from the Agency. Someday in the Rain - Gives us hints about what is to come in Disappearance. Gives evidence of advancement of relationship between Haruhi and Kyon, but also hints of Yuki's relationship with Kyon. Also the only story not competely told from Kyon's point of view. Day of Sagittarius - character development for Yuki and shows off Haruhi and Kyon's trust of each other (Haruhi trusts Kyon will have them win somehow, and Kyon trusts Haruhi won't end the world if she starts losing)...also a really fun episode. Live Alive - Character development for Haruhi and evidence of advancement of relationship between Haruhi and Kyon. The sequence of Melancholy, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight (the last one), and Disappearance, is only considerd the main plot if you ignore anything that doesn't involve the original story, time travel and Yuki's developments that result in Disappearance. Other plots do exist.
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2011-08-30, 11:07 | Link #1679 |
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Like Ithekro neatly summarized, each short story has its own developments that will lead to future events later on. Although for the people who haven't read the novels, some points Ithekro mentioned might not be relevant somewhere post-Disappearance.
Also, the word 'filler' sounds so negative. Most of the short stories in Haruhi are actually very enjoyable. I never considered them fillers, even Someday In The Rain. There isn't anything wrong with them if they're enjoyable. Besides, I always considered the Haruhi-series 50% the SOS Brigade doing wacky stuff and 50% time-traveling mayhem. Overall, all the short stories are worth watching. You can skip Endless Eight and only watch the last one though.
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2011-08-30, 11:12 | Link #1680 |
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Indeed, but the definition of non-filler that I used was "any episode that would leave any sort of gap in the story if it were removed entirely." To make a claim like that, you have to have some sort of idea of what the "story" is. If the story is simply the sum of all canon works, then nothing is truly filler, and the question is meaningless.
As you said yourself, "Defining things based on what moves the plot farther depends greatly on what one considers to be the plot." So what does one consider to be the plot?
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