Claymore Chapter 118

[Superb]

Originally Posted by Ouvea

How about this for a turn-around scenario. Miria powers up and defeats Hysteria. However, unlike Clare, whom Jean saved at the cost of her own life, she awakens. The Ghosts arrive just shortly afterwards and see this overwhelming AB. They attack it and Tabitha seals the deal. As she kills her mentor, she realizes whom she has attacked. In the throws of despair and guilt, she begins to awaken but kills herself before completely awakening.

Sounds good to me. Get it done Yagi

[Gooral]

I've mentioned about this possibility here but I wouldn't like it at all. It could work once but again it would lack impact IMO because it would show that Yagi is out of new ideas. Also Tabitha should notice who this AB is, she doesn't suck at sensing as much as Miria. Like I said in one of my firsts posts in this thread, I doubt Miria will awaken. If anything she will be killed before it happens. But the way Yagi is leading the story now I also doubt it will happen. It looks like no one important will die.

[little_angel]

ok i think you might already discussed this but what did roxanne mean by "that's something i didn't need" ? she didn't need it to be hidden(unknown to other warriors) or she didn't need the technique ?

[rafael1932]

Originally Posted by Nixl

Tabitha, of all the characters in claymore, she is by far the biggest tool.

or the biggest stupid character in claymore. She lost time to go to the org( by going to the yoma factory) and lost the surprise attack on them as deneve said. Also, gala said that she was already dead, so time was in the essence.

Thabita is not even half awakened, so I don’t even know why she would be a tool to start with. in 2 seconds 1 of those numbers 1 kills her.

Originally Posted by Ouvea

How about this for a turn-around scenario. Miria powers up and defeats Hysteria. However, unlike Clare, whom Jean saved at the cost of her own life, she awakens. The Ghosts arrive just shortly afterwards and see this overwhelming AB. They attack it and Tabitha seals the deal. As she kills her mentor, she realizes whom she has attacked. In the throws of despair and guilt, she begins to awaken but kills herself before completely awakening.

This is a dark manga where good guys also loose. Something too happy in the end without consequences when they are in hell would be too bleach. Is not a bad idea and would make thabita more human

Originally Posted by little_angel

ok i think you might already discussed this but what did roxanne mean by "that's something i didn't need" ? she didn't need it to be hidden(unknown to other warriors) or she didn't need the technique ?

I was talking that with jean claymore. She does not want this 1 and it seems because she is very proud person. So she decided not to copy that ability by pride and not because she decided that she would not need it ( like I was saying).

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[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Ouvea

How about this for a turn-around scenario. Miria powers up and defeats Hysteria. However, unlike Clare, whom Jean saved at the cost of her own life, she awakens. The Ghosts arrive just shortly afterwards and see this overwhelming AB. They attack it and Tabitha seals the deal. As she kills her mentor, she realizes whom she has attacked. In the throws of despair and guilt, she begins to awaken but kills herself before completely awakening.

Don't mean to sound rude.... since I love how dark this is but there is just no way the rest of the ghosts would just stand around when Tabitha would start to awaken. A yoki senor wouldn't even be required to save her since Tabitha could do the yoki alinging herself (or try to). Plus out of all the ghosts Deneve would be the most likely to save her due to there past fight (plus Deneve seems the type to risk running to save her even in a crazy fight (but based on how you set this up all the ghosts are opponent free))... and minus her head getting chopped off she can survive just about anything an awakening Tabitha could throw at ber.

Lets not forget that at that point there would only be two number ones left and Roxanne seems the type to sit back and watch what they'd do... and Cassandra is an idiot who only has a good technique so the ghosts and allies might stand a good chance against her especially with Roxanne sitting the fight out. Plus if they get a warning about Cassandra's technique they wouldn't get as caught off gaurd as Audreys group was.

That doesn't mean this couldn't happen but it seems unlikely.

[su5so]

After seeing the new chapter, I realized that claymore is not what it was. I remember when Rigardo appeared, he was really a lethal monster. However, hysteria could have killed him easy like she killed Miria if she had not exceeded hers limit. I think the tiers of claymore have gone too far. Which at first was a monster now is pathetically weak.

Thanks Goral for the splication of HA.

[Demon6666]

Originally Posted by su5so

After seeing the new chapter, I realized that claymore is not what it was. I remember when Rigardo appeared, he was really a lethal monster. However, hysteria could have killed him easy like she killed Miria if she had not exceeded hers limit. I think the tiers of claymore have gone too far. Which at first was a monster now is pathetically weak.

Thanks Goral for the splication of HA.

You do realise that Rigardo was actually very powerful, but most of his opponents were claymore noobs who never even faught awakened beings before. In fact, the strongest warrior there was only ranked number six. Awakening makes you even stronger. Hence, Rigardo > Miria and everyone else.

However, the day was saved because Clare went over her limit and half awakened her limbs in order to draw enough demonic yoki and possibly Teresa's powers to destroy her opponent. (Though Rigardo only fought with one arm mind you.)

Rigardo isn't pathetically weak. He second only to Isley, Who's called an abyssal one for a reason. Don't forget that Rigardo had amazing speed (once again second only to Isley, who was a freak of nature as stated in the manga by Rigardo), Miria's phantom's were actually on pair with his movement thats pretty impressive as Miria's base speed was already very good. Rigardo was clearly miles ahead in power compared to the rest of those awakened that marched southwards. He completely owned everyone until Clare used her Teresa HA hax.

As for Hysteria killing Rigardo, i believe she would, and it makes sense.

Hysteria is definitely an above average number one, while Rigardo is assumed to be above average number two. Also we have to factorize in the fact that Rigardo is awakened and gets a lot of extra stats and blah blah, but never the less he has proven his speed is very impressive. He kept up with Clare's awakened legs speed fighting with only one arm, which was already much faster than mire's phantom. But Hysteria, a legendary number one warrior that possesses a technique that gave her speed that probably surpassed Isley. However, hysteria doesn't seem to be a very physically powerful warrior so her battle With Regardo would probably take a very long time, as she would have to continuously wound him until he bleeds to death.

But i don't get if Hysteria's elegant technique is so accurate, why doesn't she aim for Miria's neck?

[su5so]

Originally Posted by Demon6666

Rigardo isn't pathetically weak. He second only to Isley, Who's called an abyssal one for a reason. Don't forget that Rigardo had amazing speed (once again second only to Isley, who was a freak of nature as stated in the manga by Rigardo), Miria's phantom's were actually on pair with his movement thats pretty impressive as Miria's base speed was already very good. Rigardo was clearly miles ahead in power compared to the rest of those awakened that marched southwards. He completely owned everyone until Clare used her Teresa HA hax.
As for Hysteria killing Rigardo, i believe she would, and it makes sense.

I'm not saying Rigardo be weak, but compared to the protagonists now, or with the number 1 revived, Rigardo is weak against them.

Originally Posted by Demon6666

But i don't get if Hysteria's elegant technique is so accurate, why doesn't she aim for Miria's neck?

Why can't Histerya slit throat's Miria? Well I think this is script, because if Histerya exceeded both Miria, (as said Miria) I think she could easily cut off her head, but as the script says Miria wins, obviously histerya can't cut head.

Now, if not more speed Hysteria (although I think she has more), the resistant will win, obviously Miria as to exceed her limit regenerates his wounds and restores her yoki. However Histerya gradually be depleted. This final for Histerya I don't like

[SagaraSouske]

Personally, I don't think Hysteria will defeat Rigardo or is faster then him. Hysteria has a more advanced version of phantom then Miria, so it is obvious phantom will not be able to work against her. It's not just a raw speed issue. While Hysteria is definitely much faster then Miria when using her technique, it does not mean when Rigardo can't hit Miria's phantom first is due to him being slower but rather haven't adapted the technique and thus didn't have the precision Hysteria has. Think of it this way. If Miria employ phantom and the movement was upper left of the original after image, Hysteria already know Miria will show up at upper left and thus use her superior technique to strike at Miria at the place she appears, where as Rigardo will be attacking the afterimage then go after upper left but by then the next phantom will be used and she will be somewhere else. Essentially, Hysteria can be a step ahead and does not need to be faster then Rigardo to hit Miria as long as she is faster then Miria. Rigardo can be much faster then Miria but until he adapt to her phantom, he still won't be able to hit her. But we saw how fast he did adapt and after that Phantom became completely useless.

[Superb]

Originally Posted by su5so

I'm not saying Rigardo be weak, but compared to the protagonists now, or with the number 1 revived, Rigardo is weak against them.

I don't think you can call Rigardo weak, even compared to the revived 1's. He is one of the fastest beings ever in Claymore, we know for sure that the only people who are for sure more powerful are: Clare, Priscilla, Isley. Now I think that these number 1's COULD kill him, but I don't think it would be easy. His speed alone would make the fight long at least, and only Hysteria would be able to match/surpass his speed. His awareness also seems to be among the highest in the Claymore universe, evidenced by his ability to completely wreck any of the warriors that attack him while he was going after the captains.

Perhaps I'm wrong and he simply made a large impact on me because he was the first truly elite level being that the claymores faced. Although many of the warriors in the fight weren't very high rank, Miria in a group is as good as a no 1, and of course there is Clare, and we know how powerful she is.

[su5so]

Originally Posted by Superb

I don't think you can call Rigardo weak, even compared to the revived 1's. He is one of the fastest beings ever in Claymore, we know for sure that the only people who are for sure more powerful are: Clare, Priscilla, Isley. Now I think that these number 1's COULD kill him, but I don't think it would be easy. His speed alone would make the fight long at least, and only Hysteria would be able to match/surpass his speed. His awareness also seems to be among the highest in the Claymore universe, evidenced by his ability to completely wreck any of the warriors that attack him while he was going after the captains.

Perhaps I'm wrong and he simply made a large impact on me because he was the first truly elite level being that the claymores faced. Although many of the warriors in the fight weren't very high rank, Miria in a group is as good as a no 1, and of course there is Clare, and we know how powerful she is.

You're right, for example, Histerya not vanquish Rigardo instantly. But I emphasize is the fact that a claymore kill Rigardo (He in the past was truly lethal.) This simple fact (that a claymore can kill him) is what I meant by the "weak". Don't weak because she can kill him easily , but because she can kill him.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Demon6666

But i don't get if Hysteria's elegant technique is so accurate, why doesn't she aim for Miria's neck?

First I agree with you (for the most part), second as to the question...

Simple heads can't tell your name when they're no longer attached to there body. Hysteria is in a situation close to Priscilla needing info from Clare (until she remembered enough to seek her death) or when she cought Deneve and Helen but Clare was gone and she needed them to tell her where she went.

Hysteria will have to make a choice soon risk her life to recall or risk never learning her past but surviving. This assumes Miria is fast enough to keep up this game as was implied at the end of last chapter and Hysteria is still has a great enough control of her subtle movements (vs Miria's speed) to easily land a killing blow on Miria.

[SagaraSouske]

It's not Hysteria didn't aim for Miria's neck. Miria avoided it so that Hysteria's attack landed on a non vital spot instead - i.e. shoulders.

[rafael1932]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Hysteria will have to make a choice soon risk her life to recall or risk never learning her past but surviving.

Ah, no. If she sticks her sword on miria is because she wants to kill her.

Maybe she never need to aim for the neck before and develop an attack at the chest that is more easy to hit because it is bigger than the neck. Like miria she can’t simple start to do different things whenever she wants.

SagaraSouske
It could be that too ( how about the 2 at the same time?)

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

It's not Hysteria didn't aim for Miria's neck. Miria avoided it so that Hysteria's attack landed on a non vital spot instead - i.e. shoulders.

But the cuts that landed on Miria's shoulders where vertical chops not horizontal slashes... I agree Miria did dodge there full effects but they didn't seem to be aimed at the head to begin with based on there attack angles.

Plus the opening attacks where lethal ones as implied by Hysteria's comment but after she learned Miria knows her name shes seemed more content with just wounding and toying with her... likely to question her after she defeats her. Would someone really aiming for a kill like Rigardo did waste time commenting that Miria is slowing down and wating for a reply rather then just comment it to herself and attack (once again like Rigardo did). Hysteria clearly hasn't been trying to kill her for a bit now... but that might soon change

[Gooral]

I've had an impression that Hysteria was seriously trying to kill her. I doubt that "Oh? The second one did not cause a fatal wound either?" was referring to her first two strikes only. IMO despite her great control she still wasn't fast enough to strike Miria before she activated her phantom, hence she didn't hit where she wanted. As for vertical slashes, Miria must have defended her neck/head with her sword and only sides of her body were left unguarded. On the other hand it was strange that it seemed she was doing the same thing as before once Miria sped up. The only difference was that Miria was also fast enough to injure her but she did not have lesser wound. But that might be explained with Yagi's way of drawing wounds nowadays. Lots of blood spraying everywhere while doing no damage... Where are scenes like that? Same amount of spray, completely different result.

[Superb]

Gooral, I hate that scene Poor Flora, she got killed way too soon. She was quickly becoming one of my favs

[Ryus]

Oh come on.. she maybe be forgetting her past but few are foolish enough to bable for long periods of time while there opponent was just smashed into a wall and is defenseless. She even waits for Miria to make the first move and comments she's getting bored. Is that the mark of someone out for blood (especially if they dont torment/torture the opponent too like Ophelia would). She's clearly hoping to get something out of Miria once she can no longer keep attacking her... and her name would be the logicial conclusion.

[Gooral]

In that case why wasn't she going for Miria's legs or arms (or try to make her harmless in some other way) but every time ended up attacking her shoulders?

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Gooral

In that case why wasn't she going for Miria's legs or arms (or try to make her harmless in some other way) but every time ended up attacking her shoulders?

You try hitting a phantoms limbs ...

Better to aim for the chest and not penetrate too deep if you do. I mean come on, how many times would the manga have been simplified by aiming for the limbs when trying to kill someone too.