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felix · 2011-10-11, 15:45

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Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Good grief people were you not watching?

It was just a dream.

I mean he was dreaming the whole thing and just woke up.

Then how do you explain the device? As I understood it, he was dreaming the entire thing but it was of a real event. He was also pretty hellbent on going though with his "mission", for it to have been merely a dream.

I suppose the part where the enemy stairs at him could have been just a retcon of reality though.

Kaioshin Sama · 2011-10-11, 16:21

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Originally Posted by felix

Then how do you explain the device? As I understood it, he was dreaming the entire thing but it was of a real event. He was also pretty hellbent on going though with his "mission", for it to have been merely a dream.

I suppose the part where the enemy stairs at him could have been just a retcon of reality though.

Alright really quickly. The dream was also something that happened in the past and his mother really did give him the AGE device 7 years ago before dying. It's kind of like his recurring PTSD in relation to the day his mother died and introduces that aspect of his character and why he's so paranoid about the UE. You miss that and you kind of miss the core drive behind his character arc in this episode, which would be a real shame.

I would have though that this was something that would be really damn obvious, especially since it's before the credits where you'd expect the episode establisher/hook to be, but I guess not.

In any case this does raise a good point, how did he escape that scenario and why? I have little doubt that'll be elaborated on moving forward and that we'll come back to that Day The Angel Fell event more than a few times.

felix · 2011-10-11, 16:26

Kaioshin, we're talking about the "how he survived part...

Kaioshin Sama · 2011-10-11, 16:27

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Originally Posted by felix

Kaioshin, we're talking about the "how he survived part...

The fact that they didn't show it leads me to believe there's a good reason...cause it'd probably spoil the show.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-10-11, 16:29

That older commander guy, I think his name is Bruzar, is said to have taken Flit in as a father figure. He could of been leading a counter attack and saved Flit at the right time.

felix · 2011-10-11, 16:47

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Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

The fact that they didn't show it leads me to believe there's a good reason...cause it'd probably spoil the show.

We were talking about how it was just a DREAM, or at least the robot lock-on part was.

Meaning THAT wasn't real. He didn't survive the UE because that part of the dream never actually happened.

(why must you make it so hard to explain)

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-10-11, 16:49

What makes you so sure that part with the Gafran looking at Flit isn't real? There is nothing that suggests it wasn't real.

felix · 2011-10-11, 17:07

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

What makes you so sure that part with the Gafran looking at Flit isn't real? There is nothing that suggests it wasn't real.

God dammit people learn to read one post above your own already.

It's not me but SoldierOfDarkness who suggested it. And the reasoning is simple:

he would be DEAD if it was
it conveniently coincides with him waking up and the scene in general
there was no aftershock from that; so it probably didn't happen

And I'm not "sure" Dark's theory is just more plausible at this point.

Kaioshin Sama · 2011-10-11, 17:08

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

What makes you so sure that part with the Gafran looking at Flit isn't real? There is nothing that suggests it wasn't real.

Well to be fair it could be the trauma regarding the UE playing tricks in his head and making the UE even more intimidating inside his own mind, but until we actually find out the true history of what happened during that arc that's still just pure speculation. It does make one wonder what was really supposed to have happened then and why though.

LaSean · 2011-10-11, 17:32

Not bad for a first episode. Wayyy better than I thought it would be. I might actually enjoy this series. Also I LOVE the UE, they are so evil and menacing. I wish 00 had enemies like that.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-10-11, 17:39

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Originally Posted by felix

God dammit people learn to read one post above your own already.

It's not me but SoldierOfDarkness who suggested it. And the reasoning is simple:

he would be DEAD if it was
it conveniently coincides with him waking up and the scene in general
there was no aftershock from that; so it probably didn't happen

And I'm not "sure" Dark's theory is just more plausible at this point.

What about the theory of someone distracting the Gafran long enough for Flit to escape? It isn't that far of a stretch is it?

monster · 2011-10-11, 18:00

Since it's presented as a dream, and not a regular memory/flashback, it doesn't matter how Flit survive his first encounter with the UE. It could just be a fictional part of the dream or it could be a real memory that may or may not be explained later in the series.

brightman · 2011-10-11, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

In any case this does raise a good point, how did he escape that scenario and why? I have little doubt that'll be elaborated on moving forward and that we'll come back to that Day The Angel Fell event more than a few times.

Actually, Ovan != Angel. The Day the Angel Fell happened the year Flit was born.

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I just want to know how Flit survived during his flashback with the UE staring at him.

Obviously 0 Gundam shows up from out of nowhere and shoots that guy up, lol

Deacon Blues · 2011-10-11, 21:50

I find it odd that like all (or rather most) Gundam series, we weren't treated to an "opening narration" establishing things... Wonder if that'll happen in episode two or not...

monster · 2011-10-11, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

I find it odd that like all (or rather most) Gundam series, we weren't treated to an "opening narration" establishing things... Wonder if that'll happen in episode two or not...

That's likely because all we know is that some unknown group has been attacking different places, seemingly at random, for the last 14 years. With many of the previous series, a conflict between two known groups are already established before the first episode. So the narration simply brings the viewer up to speed on where the series is starting.

With AGE, the dream sequence and the news that Flit watched in the morning accomplished pretty much the same thing that an opening narration for previous series would.

SonicSP · 2011-10-12, 00:31

Regarding Flit surviving, I reckon 0 Gundam came just in time to shoot a pink beam and made Flit into a Gundam fanboy who obsesses on it and want to build it........

Okay, just kidding but I reckon the scene would likely be extended later to show how he survived.

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Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

I find it odd that like all (or rather most) Gundam series, we weren't treated to an "opening narration" establishing things... Wonder if that'll happen in episode two or not...

I won't be surprised if it came up in the next episode, wasn't there one in the trailer where we were shown about a peace treaty being signed in the past and all. They may have wanted to amp the focus on Flit first by showing his mother dying as the starting scene.

Deacon Blues · 2011-10-12, 00:35

Odd thing about Flit's mom in one of the manga adaptations...

Spoiler:

Patriot's Blade · 2011-10-12, 02:14

i just noticed that the purple car that the Gafran stepped on explodes, what fuel that car was running on? hydrogen like the Desperado MSses?

felix · 2011-10-12, 02:35

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

What about the theory of someone distracting the Gafran long enough for Flit to escape? It isn't that far of a stretch is it?

I already posted that on the other page.

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-10-12, 02:36

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Originally Posted by felix

I already posted that on the other page.

We can't all be as quick to jump to conclusions as you, felix.

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Deacon Blues Supreme Grocer Scanlator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico	I find it odd that like all (or rather most) Gundam series, we weren't treated to an "opening narration" establishing things... Wonder if that'll happen in episode two or not... __________________ 「では、人間は、何故、戦うのか？戦うことに存在意義があるのかもしれない。戦っている人間には充実感がある。そして、戦っている人間が汚れて見えないのも事実だ」 So why do people fight, anyway? Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight. People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle. And it’s also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.

2011-10-12, 00:35	Link #297
Deacon Blues Supreme Grocer Scanlator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico	Odd thing about Flit's mom in one of the manga adaptations... Spoiler: She's a lot bloodier in the Weekly Shounen Sunday adaptation __________________ 「では、人間は、何故、戦うのか？戦うことに存在意義があるのかもしれない。戦っている人間には充実感がある。そして、戦っている人間が汚れて見えないのも事実だ」 So why do people fight, anyway? Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight. People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle. And it’s also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.

2011-10-12, 02:14	Link #298
Patriot's Blade its Ghost Madoka time!!! Join Date: May 2009 Location: brunei darusalam	i just noticed that the purple car that the Gafran stepped on explodes, what fuel that car was running on? hydrogen like the Desperado MSses? __________________ "legends said that Alto Saotome made a correct decision, he left both Ranka Lee & Sheryl Nome to marry the skies & proceed to make love with her, it was a long sight to behold according to the witnesses, the sky is now pregnant"

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GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	That older commander guy, I think his name is Bruzar, is said to have taken Flit in as a father figure. He could of been leading a counter attack and saved Flit at the right time.

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GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	What makes you so sure that part with the Gafran looking at Flit isn't real? There is nothing that suggests it wasn't real.

2011-10-11, 17:32	Link #290
LaSean Member Join Date: Aug 2010	Not bad for a first episode. Wayyy better than I thought it would be. I might actually enjoy this series. Also I LOVE the UE, they are so evil and menacing. I wish 00 had enemies like that.

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monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Since it's presented as a dream, and not a regular memory/flashback, it doesn't matter how Flit survive his first encounter with the UE. It could just be a fictional part of the dream or it could be a real memory that may or may not be explained later in the series.