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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 87 | 50.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 54 | 31.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 8.19% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 4.09% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 1.75% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.75% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.58% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.17% | |
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2011-12-11, 07:45 | Link #141 | |||
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However, I hardly believe you really can lead a country for such campaigns with democracy as its main driving point (although the position of a king at that time would definitely shaken the said authority of the king altogether, so both concepts wouln't work since they are basically antipodes). Quote:
Heck, even the origins of Arthurian legends are basically contradictory considering how the tales aren't matching (especially the french influence such as the addition of Lancelot of the Lake and so forth). Honestly, I can't even remember if the "legend" itself states Arthur was criticized for his lack of humanity (should there was to begin with).
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2011-12-11, 09:27 | Link #142 | |||
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Though I did think Gil's highly amused mood swing was a little too sudden in the episode, so maybe his earlier mockery of Saber is part of those 5+ min of cut material? I certainly hope so, though I won't hold my breath for it. Ufotable's work had been basically infallible for the first 9 episodes, but some of their decisions and priorities in episodes 10 and 11 have dampened my prior absolute faith in them. Quote:
And he did go into "his law" when explaining his attitude towards the Holy Grail in the beginning of the episode, which while not quite as relevant to kingship as Saber and Rider's input still concerned the general subject matter of the discussion. So maybe he doesn't directly state his definition of kingship, but his reactions and responses to Saber's own could also provide insight into that as well as his character in general. It's not easily expendable material at all and the only reason the lack of it doesn't bother you is because you already know all those little tidbits of characterisation and exposition from the source material, so of course you wouldn't find any of them "crucial" or whatever. Of course it'd be easy to surmise such things from brief and tiny visual keys when you already know them for a fact from straight up reading about them in the original material. It's all fine and dandy when your knowledge of the story goes beyond what you see in the anime, but for us non-novel readers what's shown in the anime is all we get. But I digress, since, really, I've all but realised already that this type of discussion with novel readers can never go anywhere. They're proven time and again already that they can never put themselves in the shoes of those who're experiencing the story for the first time with this anime. So I've no intention of prolonging this particular discussion when all I've got is speculation based on limited knowledge against your much more extensive and actually complete factual knowledge. Quote:
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2011-12-11, 09:30 | Link #143 |
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Shows that battles are not only fought with the clashing of swords and shields, but also through debates and talks, and in this case, a dialogue.
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2011-12-11, 09:51 | Link #147 |
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The omission of the dialogue between Tokiomi and Kirei is a glaring fault.
I already read three different bloggers (including Guardian Enzo) who thought that Kirei kept some Assassins on reserve. By not showing Tokiomi's order to Kirei to deploy all of the Assassins, non-novel readers were deprived of a vital information. That said, I still voted this episode a 10/10 because the Ionioi Hetairoi scene was godly.
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2011-12-11, 09:59 | Link #150 | |
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I prefer a character that presents the raw, "cruel" reality than one that simply doesn't seem to portray reality as it is. In other words, I prefer a "selfish tyrant" than a "goody two-shoes" martyr that sacrifices herself for her kingdom, something I simply can't envision. |
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2011-12-11, 10:55 | Link #153 | ||
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There is also a lot of other interesting info in that post, particularly concerning differences between the LN and the anime. I don't think this counts as spoilers because it can't possibly affect future episodes, but it says that in the LN all three kings were wearing traditional Japanese attire for the feast, but because ufotable felt that Saber and Gilgamesh had initially intended to engage in battle rather than discourse, it was more appropriate that those two arrive in armor. They also explain the differences in last week's Rin episode, but I'll leave that for a different thread. |
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2011-12-11, 11:16 | Link #154 |
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My question is will these additional scenes also be incorporated into DVD releases as well? It'd seem a bit strange if the only way to see the show in its truest form would be only on BR.
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2011-12-11, 11:25 | Link #156 |
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It wasn't that bad since not only Gilgamesh didn't sneer at Rider's elogy, but he actually had that faint smile and kept the silence, which means quite a bunch with Gilgamesh, who is prone to let out his displeasure or insult without any restrain.
But yes, that little line was basically a huge acknowledging behavior expressed by gil.
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2011-12-11, 11:28 | Link #158 |
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Epic Episode with RIDER Owned Assassin
I still don't understand why Saber believe King will undoubtedly be alone?(that's make me think of what C.C. told Lelouch when they form a contract). Is it because she think King has to bear responsibility that can't be share or understand by any other? |
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Moreso when the main task is to assure the welfare of all of her people. Therefore, even her knights, soldiers etc are basically counted in such mindset, leading to no one but herself to assure her country prosperity.
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