2011-12-31, 13:33 | Link #102 | |
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Track 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uB6e...AC807AC7394882 Track 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjwAx...AC807AC7394882 If you doubt me. Go find the Sound Stage translations done by Nagumo-san. She translated most or all of the soundstages already. Here is the thread: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=85192 |
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2011-12-31, 14:48 | Link #104 |
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3 TV series anime + Sound stages + the majority of the various Nanoha mangas = 1 version of the Nanoha-verse
Movie Manga + Movies = retelling of the Nanoha-verse, or another variation. Games = Another retelling of the Nanoha A's arc, possibly of the StrikerS, Vivid, and Force series. Most fans do not apply one variation's rules and logic on another no matter how similiar they are. Most of the time fans will keep them separate to enjoy the series more and not overanalyze things. |
2011-12-31, 18:17 | Link #107 | |
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Yes, it's made up. Everything is made up - it's a fictional story of alien humans and magic. Where ten-years-old little girls wind up being more relevant than veteran soldiers. And that's where you want to stop suspending your disbelief? If it bothers you so much, tell yourself he got the flu or something. |
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2011-12-31, 19:11 | Link #109 | |
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Nanya01: You should probably move this to another thread where it is appropriate because now it's turned from a simple question to something else. Also alternate variations of one series can also have alternate sub-issues involved. In one variation, the whole "mana field" on one planet may be an issue to someone who is used the the "mana field" on another. But in a different variation, BOTH "mana fields" can be very similiar and not be an issue overall. Again, you cannot apply one variation on another. Some things are sometimes changed to suit the situation it is in. The Movie, by itself doesn't mention this, the Movie Manga, which is a different one, does. Again, different variations of the same material. This is the same when light novels are adapted into manga or anime. There will be deviations or alterations to suit the material it's being adapted to. Remember this fact. |
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2012-01-13, 19:31 | Link #110 | |
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Trying to steer this discussion away from the movie 2nd thread and into here:
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Myself, I liked StrikerS. Yeah, it had a lot of characters, and some could have used more development, but I think it succeeded fairly well at what it set out to do: expand the in-story universe. And show how our girls have grown up and developed in this world. The story was entertaining, too, and the last few episodes are the best I've ever scene. I can't count the number of times I've rewatched Nanoha blasting Quattro, and Zest's death with Agito crying "Danna!" Force and Vivid I like for different reasons; Force has more of an interesting and involving story that I find myself eager to see what happens next. And Vivid has greatly expanded magical styles and a bit of lore. Both also have bad points (Vivid having more of them), but given what's out there, Nanoha in general is fairly good, even when it's at it's worst. The movies, on the other hand, I feel are actually not quite as a good. They are a decent watch, but it feels like, trying to up the quality, meant the quantity suffered. You need a good blend of both, but a lot of it is subjective. I just felt the first film took the first season's most glaring flaw (lack of explanation of Nanoha's family and past) and just made that flaw bigger. So it's not a simple matter of quality or quantity. It's subjective to a large degree, but the Nanoha series as a whole, added a whole lot of interesting concepts they introduced to the magical girl genre, and to anime in general, that really make them good stories... even if the stories aren't your particular cup of tea. |
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2012-01-13, 22:57 | Link #111 |
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To me StrikerS had one problem. It seems to lack one clear focus.
It had a bit too many conflicting storytelling elements. Compare this to the first series and A's which focus was a lot clearer in comparison. Thus, my suggestion on how to improve StrikerS: It should have been Nanoha StarS instead of Nanoha StrikerS Just focus on JS, cyborgs, Teana and Subaru, and the whole drama about Quint. Drop Erio, Caro, Lutecia, and Vivio Stay consistent with the anti-magic/machine over magic theme If they really wanted those other characters, save that for another season. Of course doing all of the above would have made Subaru the real heroine of StrikerS, and.. I suppose... they didn't want to do that... too bad...
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2012-01-14, 00:05 | Link #112 |
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We're talking about things that could be trimmed out to improve StrikerS in this thread, at the moment:
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showt...=212437&page=6 I think you could get away with keeping all of the Numbers, Forwards, Lutecia, Zest and Vivio if you simply remove the Gadget Drones. Instead of the robots, the Numbers would appear from the very beginning to collect the Relics. Including the one incident that led to Nanoha getting badly injured. Which would serve to create a dramatic connection and tension between Vita and at least one of the numbers; perhaps Tre. Signum and Zafira could also get Designated Worthy Opponents to fight, among the Numbers. And Nove could be made more competent and powerful to serve as a proper foil to Subaru and Ginga. Using only the Numbers to bring down Nanoha and successfully collect Relics establishes them as a credible threat and presents more opportunities to develop their characters. The Gadget Drones would instead be used only when Jail needs a much larger force to get a job done, such as the attack on the central complex and Riot Force Six, and then later when he gets the Cradle up and running. The Relics would finally get a proper use and point in the story. First of all, they serve as practice and training for his daughters, and proof of their effectiveness. Second, the Relics are a distraction from his main objective. Everyone will get so focused on what he wants to do with a bunch of powerful batteries (which are less powerful than Jewel Seeds, but far more controllable) that they don't expect that he's REALLY waiting for a clone or planning something as big as the Saint's Cradle. Third, after he has the clone and the Cradle, any Relics that he managed to grab will be used to power up Super Gadget Drones, to provide his Numbers with more adequate back up than the disposable rank and file robots. Using only the Numbers at first allows the series to focus on the character interactions which are half of the point of Lyrical Nanoha. Using the robots later serves the same purpose as Presea's robots and the Defense Program of earlier seasons... giving the heroes something guilt-free to destroy in spectacular fashions. |
2012-01-14, 00:10 | Link #113 |
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Had a thought while chewing the fat with Old Iron...
Was watching an episode of Agga Ruter at the same time... then it showed the Agga Ruter's main weapon in use...and all of the sudden, the fear of a "mass weapon" all of the sudden made sense. What if it wasn't the "mass" that was the feared part of the equation... What if it was the use of anti-matter that Belka was starting to use in small doses (still in experimental stage). Something like a first generation generator and containment field that went horribly wrong. Or was sabotaged. |
2012-01-14, 07:55 | Link #115 | |
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Though it is possible to keep them, as long as the Numbers appear from the very start to lead them. |
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2012-01-14, 13:23 | Link #116 | |
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2012-01-14, 15:05 | Link #118 | ||
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Arf. Know what Arf would have been doing before Fate put her on a bus? Helping Fate during her earlier Enforcer career. Detective Dog Arf. With scrying spells learned from our resident archaeologist. In fact, Arf could have easily continued in that role up to the point of StrikerS. It's not like Fate needs her full and undivided magical power for investigations. Even when making arrests (often with back up from other Enforcers or local law enforcement), the fighting wouldn't be so hard or last so long as to exhaust Fate's divided reserves, and having a Familiar as her partner would only be an advantage. Arf could even keep fulfilling the role during StrikerS and afterwards, without ever needing to become a full time babysitter and part-time librarian. And we'd be treated to a wiser, cannier Arf acting like an oneesan/sempai to Teana, which develops Arf's character in an interesting way. Quote:
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2012-01-14, 16:36 | Link #119 |
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I'd make the attack on Nanoha done by Due, since I think that'd be a good surprise. Maybe have her appear as someone else, and we know there is a shapeshifter out there, but not what she's doing. Her appearance in StrikerS felt a touch abrupt. But yeah, I like the idea of cutting the drones importance and focusing on the Numbers. Maybe touch down on the number of them, since... well, it's somewhere along the lines of 16 or so on the enemy, which is a bit too much to really give them the attention they deserve.
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2012-01-14, 16:52 | Link #120 | |
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