2012-02-08, 19:26 | Link #81 |
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I suppose I could also accept that as a nice outcome. Because even though I can still see Sasuke being a pretty dangerous shinobi blind, he'd at least be forever banned from anymore sharigan hax (so long as no else gives him another pair of eyes). So it'd be a tough loss for him regardless.
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2012-02-08, 19:27 | Link #82 | ||||
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Not to mention we can take into account the Toriyama influence... and Toriyama allowed redeption for vegeta who likely killed millions before the start of the series... hell even during the series he killed numerous innocent poeple; he just never managed to kill any good guy with a name. Quote:
The more you use a fake death the less effective REAL deaths have. Real death is most effective when the audience actually BELIEVES the death. Too many fake deaths make the audience skeptical of any deaths since they start expecting another fake out. This goes double for any character who has been subjected to a fake death. Quote:
With SasuSaku, we first take into account that Sakura's love for Sasuke has a weak foundation. I mean, what was it that she loved about him? She thought he was really cute and cool; that's mostly it. On his part, he never really returned her feelings. It has less in common with geniune and more like the kind of crush that teen girls have for celebrities ... And then we have all the BS that sasuke has pulled since he left... Aiding villains; Desire to destroy kohona; attempting to attack sakura TWICE (the second with a very clear kill intent)... He pulls this sh*t and we are expected to believe that she can STILL be in love with him... Naruto in comparison, has proven himself to be a MUCH better guy for her, thus making it all the more non-sensical that she would stick to sasuke... I can except her caring enough to want to see sasuke redeemed, but not being in love with him; espeically not when their are better guys for her. With Naruhina, Hinata's love for Naruto makes sense and seems geniune enough. The problem however is Naruto. Naruto is not just oblivious to her feelings like so many other anime characters, he downright ignores her completely. They never seem to spend any time together; Hell the chunin exam i think is the ONLY time the two of them had an actual conversation. When Naruto fought Neji, he never realized that Hinata had fallen unconscious in the stands. Even when they were on the same team, they never took a moment to actually talk to eachother. The most serious offense is when Hinata sacrificed herself to confess her feelings to him and he never bothered to follow up on it.Its just so terrible. Really, i think the only time i've seen worst pairing s was with Toriyama and DBZ Naruto and Sakura are not perfect but they have better dynamic and chemistry going for them. NaruHina COULD have been good, but it would have required a lot more attention that kishi did not want to give it. Quote:
I have been wanting to see Itachi give Sasuke a nice bitch slap him
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2012-02-08, 19:41 | Link #83 |
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Which brings up an interesting point. Is Sasuke's hatred stemming from the fact Itachi went through a living hell because of Konoha, the genocide of the Uchiha clan, Itachi dying, or some random excuse to be a not-so-good-villain? I still don't understand his motivation at all. Itachi sacrificed his whole life in Konoha to be a spy and to protect the village, Sasuke, and Naruto, I'm pretty sure he'd be pretty piss that Sasuke turned out the way he did after all he's done. If They ever encountered each other, which I'm pretty sure they will, what would their exchange be? I'm very curious. Obviously Itachi, whichever way you put it, is a catalyst in Sasuke's hatred towards Konoha, even though it wasn't intended to end up that way. Would Itachi actually try to talk Sasuke out of it? Obviously, in order for Sasuke to go down the path he's going down, he's gonna have to reject Itachi's notion of doing a heel face turn, but what reason does Sasuke have to continue going down the dark path when Itachi himself is there in front of him going "wth are you doing?"
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2012-02-08, 21:01 | Link #85 |
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I think in the end Sasuke will end up dead. After all that happen I think its better if he die but die with honour. Naruto will eventually fight him and use love-no-jutsu to turn him to good-side as well Itachi lecture him a lil bit. Then he turn againts Tobi/Madara but kill by him. I think Sakura will see a deathflag as well as she tries to save Sasuke from Tobi/Madara. I the end Naruto will end all the fight save Sasuke from the dark-side (eventhough he will be dead), becoming the world savior, the 7th Hokage? and get Hinata . hohoho
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2012-02-08, 21:12 | Link #86 |
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There's no way Sasuke is going to die, and I'll tell you why. Sasuke is the driving force behind Naruto being bad-ass; the minute Sasu goes over to the light side (as opposed to the dark side, lol) the Naruto series is OVER and Kishi won't make any more MONIES.
It's all about the dollar bills, y'all. Just imagine it: Naru and Sasu fight, but they are evenly matched and no one wins. Sasu eventually goes off to make his own evil empire (mwahaha) while Naruto is Hokage--and he'll NEVER give up on Sasuke, NEVER, until the anime doesn't make any more money. Then either Sasu dies or is won over by love-no-jutsu. THE END! *sobs*
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2012-02-08, 21:54 | Link #87 |
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-*Snort* Oh, sorry I dozed off there around that whole "rousing speech" segment. What'd I miss? Oh its just the new generation eating the panels away with their filler "Naruto is my love/rival/buddy/etc". Cute. How about the last few pages? Oh look, its Sasuke. Eh, carry on to next week, not much of interest here.
-Honestly, the chapter was a bit of a bore but that's probably because the last 5 have been simply AMAZING. Oh well, can't blame Kishimoto for needing to slow something down. I suppose having already eaten the prime steaks and desert, we can always settle in for some salad. Its not anything spectacular but it will do for now.
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2012-02-08, 23:20 | Link #89 |
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No. Sasuke's motivation for destroying the leaf is to honour Itachi's sacrifice, and also vengance for his clan. Has everyone forgotten that the leaf village ordered the death of his ENTIRE can? Itachi's was ordered to kill every Uchiha but couldn't bring himself to kill Sasuke because his love for Sasuke was greater than his love for the village. Sasuke seeks to avenge his brother and destroy the village that made him choose between his clan and his village. That tends to mess with someones head abit. And it also ties into Nagato's 'cycle of vengeance' problem and how Naruto must overcome the cycle. Which is what interests me atm is how he will deal with Tobi.
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2012-02-09, 00:27 | Link #90 | |
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Itachi went through hell, and sasuke is effectively spitting in his face. He abandoned konoha, he is threatening to destroy it, and he is aiding Tobi in his war. If Itachi knew this was how it was all going to end, then he would have been better off just siding with his clan instead of konoha; atleast then he would not have to kill his own parents. Or maybe he could have just grabbed sasuke and just ran off and let the two fight it out themselves. Itachi's sacrifice was meant to try and make the best out of a terrible situation. He could not stop either side peacefully, so he chose to stop the side that would lead to the fewest casualties. Sasuke took that, and threw it out the window. Itachi went through hell; but thanks to sasuke, he now went through hell FOR NOTHING; Sasuke is taking away just about any comfort Itachi still had.
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2012-02-09, 02:30 | Link #93 |
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Yeah poor choice of words on my behalf. Sasukes logic is not operating out of living the life his 'loving' brother Itachi planned, but instead out of avenging those who made him lose his brother (and the rest of his family). If the Senju weren't so oppressive of the Uchiha then the Uchiha wouldn't have needed to revolt hence no genocide needed. I'm not tryna justify what either side, as I think the conflict is neither black or white but grey, and thats what Kishi has intended. This circle of blame and anger is what needs to be broken. Sasuke is the perfect product of the cycle, a true avenger. What Naruto needs to do is solve the problem of Sasuke and once that is over he can kill Kabuto as the final big bad of the series
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2012-02-09, 02:52 | Link #94 |
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Not surprising to see NH prematurely celebrating, as it's happened before. People are forgetting that 1. Naruto still loves Sakura, and hasn't shown any hints that his feelings have changed, 2. Even after all this time, he's never seen Hinata in a romantic light and still hasn't bothered to address her confession, 3. The manga is approaching it's climax and NH still lacks major development (which at this stage of the story it seems even more unrealistic), and 4. Kishi is a troll and can leg sweep everyone at any time. He's done it numerous times before and he'll do it again.
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2012-02-09, 04:07 | Link #95 |
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@ Janifuu: I like #4
Anyway, regarding Sasuke's motivation, it's not really whether he's logical or not for doing what he's doing, my point is I'm curious as to what he will say to Itachi, since there's no doubt they'll see each other eventually (maybe even as soon as the next major fight). I mean here's Itachi in the flesh (so to speak), and I'm sure he must be pretty annoyed, if not straight out pissed, that Sasuke is in a sense spitting on his grave after everything he's sacrificed. What is Sasuke gonna say about that? Having seen Itachi as a martyr, and for adoring his older brother since youth, with a long hiatus, then adoring him again for having to make the difficult choice, even then i still don't know if he'll say "psssh, everything you did was BS, and you're dead" or "umm...my bad?" |
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I've always seen her as a shy girl with a crush who simply admires Naruto from a distance. It's not like she's peeping on him while he's taking his close off or following him home or anything weird like that. I think Hinata would be better for Naruto than Sakura. Sakura is very selfish and she has disrespected and manipulated Naruto. She's coming around to acknowledge his abilities but she's still in love with Sasuke and seems protective of Naruto like he's her little brother. Hinata likes Naruto for who he really is. Everyone else sees this no talent idiot but she sees a brave young man with ambition and passion. The only down side is that she's so damn shy it is hard to take her seriously, but she did break out of her shell a little when she fought Pain and confessed her love for Naruto.
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2012-02-09, 08:12 | Link #98 | |
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Doesn't really matter why Sakura fell in love with Sasuke in the first place, she's still in love with him that's a given fact, no point in trying to discredit it. You can QQ about it all day everyday and it still won't change. Naruto came to accept it why can't the crazy fans? As for Hinata, sure its seemingly cold of Naruto to not say anything right away from the initial confession but other than too much was going on and moving too fast, Kishi just sucks at this type of story telling. At least he's shown Naruto to start acknowledging her recently. From the looks of it, Kishimoto is trying to cram subtle developments in the last stretch of the manga, which again is bad story telling in terms of relationship development, but there's nothing we can do about it, but to just accept it. Or cry about it online and run full on denial mode.
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-Well, she certainly has all the tools in order to become an effective one. Her ability to completely disappear from someone's radar and follow them, plus the Byakugan and bam, instant stalker potential.
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-And then got promptly ignored once Kurama came out to play, returning her to said shell and back to square 1.
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