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taichi-kun · 2012-03-04, 14:47

Thanks

I remember when I watched the anime... I never understood what was hitagi doing alone in the classroom while koyomi was with hanekawa ,But now It's clear.

teja208 · 2012-03-05, 03:14

Sorry for asking something unusual out of the blue. After watched both Bake and Nise anime, I noticed that Nise is much more comedic and lighthearted than Bake while opposite can be said for Kizu. Therefore, starting from Bake till the latest book available, Koi isn’t it, I’m interested to know how novel fans rate the levels of seriousness for each of the novels from 1 to 5 where:
1 = most lighthearted, comedic, slice of life-ish centered book
5 = most bloody, gore, angst, drama centered book
3 = standard monogatari novel i.e. mix of both or somewhere between 1 and 5
I don’t mind decimal points though if gap is very small but please no spoiler for materials not yet seen in anime. This knowledge can help adjust my expectations accordingly so I can enjoy the most out of monogatari series in case of future adaptations or translations are available. Thanks for the help.

Malkuth · 2012-03-05, 03:14

Since none cares about being on-topic anymore, let me at least try...

Quote:

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

The three things i would like to see once in Monogatari for the remaining of my life...

Hitagi and Tsubasa(-sama) alone in a room
Karen x Kanbaru
Grownup Hachikuji

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Originally Posted by omimon

We have 8 books that have yet to be animated so I'm sure we'll see those scenes sooner or later. (Probably later)

In which novels (1) and (2) occur?

omimon · 2012-03-05, 03:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by teja208

Sorry for asking something unusual out of the blue. After watched both Bake and Nise anime, I noticed that Nise is much more comedic and lighthearted than Bake while opposite can be said for Kizu. Therefore, starting from Bake till the latest book available, Koi isn’t it, I’m interested to know how novel fans rate the levels of seriousness for each of the novels from 1 to 5 where:
1 = most lighthearted, comedic, slice of life-ish centered book
5 = most bloody, gore, angst, drama centered book
3 = standard monogatari novel i.e. mix of both or somewhere between 1 and 5
I don’t mind decimal points though if gap is very small but please no spoiler for materials not yet seen in anime. This knowledge can help adjust my expectations accordingly so I can enjoy the most out of monogatari series in case of future adaptations or translations are available. Thanks for the help.

Bake 1 = 3 The Devil arc was kinda bloody and had a certain degree of angst in all three stories
Bake 2 = 2 More light-hearted but there's a bit drama
Kizu = 5 Really bloody and Araragi is really emo in this
Nise 1 = 2 Light-hearted but still problem driven
Nise 2 = 3 Light-hearted in the beginning but shit hits the fan at the end
Neko Kuro = 3 Light-hearted in the beginning but shit hits the fan near the middle
Neko Shiro = 3 A balance between slice-of-life and problem driven
Kabuki = 4 A lot of drama but you get your fair share of laughs
Hana = 3 Almost no laughs, but no gore either. Very story driven.
Otori = 4 A lot of drama and angst but not bloody per-se
Oni = 3 A lot of talking is involved so kinda boring but the ending will make you cry
Koi = 3 Pretty emotional, but not bloody

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Since none cares about being on-topic anymore, let me at least try...

In which novels (1) and (2) occur?

1) Shiro
2) Nise 2
3) Kabuki

Shikijin · 2012-03-05, 05:32

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Originally Posted by teja208

Therefore, starting from Bake till the latest book available, Koi isn’t it, I’m interested to know how novel fans rate the levels of seriousness for each of the novels from 1 to 5 where:
1 = most lighthearted, comedic, slice of life-ish centered book
5 = most bloody, gore, angst, drama centered book
3 = standard monogatari novel i.e. mix of both or somewhere between 1 and 5

I think you are a bit misguided

Each story usually starts lighthearted and then gets serious towards the end. There can be bittersweet moments without blood, gore, angst and drama, and even the most serious stories do not refrain from fanservice and comedy. In short, a single stat doesn't do much justice to the books.

There should be also other parameters to consider, like how well the book is written. For example, Nise 2 and Kabuki feel a bit dragged, but for me Nise 2 has plenty of good comedy scenes that compensate for that. Kabuki is overall way more dark than many other books though.

Also keep in mind that the adaptation may cut lot of stuff, and you will have problems if your enjoyment comes from specific characters.

Anyway, I would categorize the books like this.

The deepest books are Bake2 (Tsubasa Cat), Nise2, Kizu and NekoKuro.

Books that are serious to the point of being slightly angsty are Hana and Koi.

The darkest books are Kizu, NekoKuro, Kabuki and Otori.

Books with the best mystery component are: Otori, with special mention of NekoKuro, Kabuki, Hana, Oni and Koi.

Books interesting for the psychology of the main character are NekoShiro and Otori.

The best written books are Bake1&2, Kizu, Nise1 and Koi. NekoKuro drags a bit in the beginning, but otherwise it's very intense. Even Hana is overall well written.

Special mention for high level in both comedy and drama: NekoKuro and Oni.

omimon · 2012-03-05, 05:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shikijin

I think you are a bit misguided

Each story usually starts lighthearted and then gets serious towards the end. There can be bittersweet moments without blood, gore, angst and drama, and even the most serious stories do not refrain from fanservice and comedy. In short, a single stat doesn't do much justice to the books.

There should be also other parameters to consider, like how well the book is written. For example, Nise 2 and Kabuki feel a bit dragged, but for me Nise 2 has plenty of good comedy scenes that compensate for that. Kabuki is overall way more dark than many other books though.

Also keep in mind that the adaptation may cut lot of stuff, and you will have problems if your enjoyment comes from specific characters.

Anyway, I would categorize the books like this.

The deepest books are Bake2 (Tsubasa Cat), Nise2, Kizu and NekoKuro.

Books that are serious to the point of being slightly angsty are Hana and Koi.

The darkest books are Kizu, NekoKuro, Kabuki and Otori.

Books with the best mystery component are: Otori, with special mention of NekoKuro, Kabuki, Hana, Oni and Koi.

Books interesting for the psychology of the main character are NekoShiro and Otori.

The best written books are Bake1&2, Kizu, Nise1 and Koi. NekoKuro drags a bit in the beginning, but otherwise it's very intense. Even Hana is overall well written.

Special mention for high level in both comedy and drama: NekoKuro and Oni.

I totally agree about everything here. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

teja208 · 2012-03-05, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimon

Bake 1 = 3 The Devil arc was kinda bloody and had a certain degree of angst in all three stories
Bake 2 = 2 More light-hearted but there's a bit drama
Kizu = 5 Really bloody and Araragi is really emo in this
Nise 1 = 2 Light-hearted but still problem driven
Nise 2 = 3 Light-hearted in the beginning but shit hits the fan at the end
Neko Kuro = 3 Light-hearted in the beginning but shit hits the fan near the middle
Neko Shiro = 3 A balance between slice-of-life and problem driven
Kabuki = 4 A lot of drama but you get your fair share of laughs
Hana = 3 Almost no laughs, but no gore either. Very story driven.
Otori = 4 A lot of drama and angst but not bloody per-se
Oni = 3 A lot of talking is involved so kinda boring but the ending will make you cry
Koi = 3 Pretty emotional, but not bloody

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shikijin

I think you are a bit misguided

Each story usually starts lighthearted and then gets serious towards the end. There can be bittersweet moments without blood, gore, angst and drama, and even the most serious stories do not refrain from fanservice and comedy. In short, a single stat doesn't do much justice to the books.

There should be also other parameters to consider, like how well the book is written. For example, Nise 2 and Kabuki feel a bit dragged, but for me Nise 2 has plenty of good comedy scenes that compensate for that. Kabuki is overall way more dark than many other books though.

Also keep in mind that the adaptation may cut lot of stuff, and you will have problems if your enjoyment comes from specific characters.

Anyway, I would categorize the books like this.

The deepest books are Bake2 (Tsubasa Cat), Nise2, Kizu and NekoKuro.

Books that are serious to the point of being slightly angsty are Hana and Koi.

The darkest books are Kizu, NekoKuro, Kabuki and Otori.

Books with the best mystery component are: Otori, with special mention of NekoKuro, Kabuki, Hana, Oni and Koi.

Books interesting for the psychology of the main character are NekoShiro and Otori.

The best written books are Bake1&2, Kizu, Nise1 and Koi. NekoKuro drags a bit in the beginning, but otherwise it's very intense. Even Hana is overall well written.

Special mention for high level in both comedy and drama: NekoKuro and Oni.

Can't help pointing out Otori was mentioned in three very interesting catagories

. Thanks anyway to both of you for the helpful tips.

leorodri100 · 2012-03-05, 17:32

ominon does karen's hair grow back in nekomonogatari

btw if you go to the nise anime site there is 2 links with a ???? one with araragi's bike and another with the cat...i'm betting the bike is kizu and the cat is nekomonogatari

omimon · 2012-03-05, 21:31

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Originally Posted by leorodri100

ominon does karen's hair grow back in nekomonogatari

btw if you go to the nise anime site there is 2 links with a ???? one with araragi's bike and another with the cat...i'm betting the bike is kizu and the cat is nekomonogatari

Nope, her hair remains short for quite awhile.

Also interesting theory on the last two ?????. However we already have Kizu site so who knows.

frivolity · 2012-03-06, 05:22

So what actually happens in Koimonogatari?

Myname · 2012-03-07, 04:13

So the last 3 novels are after they graduate from high school?

So Tsubasa has 3 arcs, the other girls 2 arcs, and the sisters 1 arc each.

Tsubasa must have a lot of problems to get the most arcs.

Palom · 2012-03-07, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Myname

So the last 3 novels are after they graduate from high school?

Could be. Just an assumption given how little I know, Tsuki could fill the gap in the timeline between Koi and Hana, covering before and after graduation, with (Zoku)Owari following Hana. After all...

Spoiler for Koi/Hana:

On another note, now I've gotten curious. Was it explained who receives Araragi's second haircut? Either I missed it (seven months between Neko and Hana, it wouldn't surprise me) or it hasn't happened / been mentioned yet.

minaka · 2012-03-09, 04:24

Question:

Spoiler:

omimon · 2012-03-09, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by minaka

Question:

Spoiler:

She said she had positive feeling towards him because she thought he was going to save her.

Mura · 2012-03-09, 18:30

Quick question omimon, is Tsukihi's "Platinum Mad" line anime only or does she say that in the novel?

leorodri100 · 2012-03-09, 21:58

man tsukihi's op is kinda...of depressing...

Shikijin · 2012-03-10, 02:49

"Platinum mad" comes from the novel. All lines are from the novel. In Bake I see they invented something here and there, but Nise is completely faithful.

Shadow5YA · 2012-03-10, 22:09

Actually hearing the dialogue in the anime does wonders for understanding Nisio's wordplay. With my limited understanding of Japanese, I would never have picked up how many times the word nisemono was used while reading the novels or the novel translations.

Mura · 2012-03-11, 11:23

What the story with Kagenui and not standing/walking on the ground?

Morisato · 2012-03-11, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Mura

What the story with Kagenui and not standing/walking on the ground?

I believe Kage means shadow. I'm guessing it has something to do with her shadow.

2012-03-07, 04:13	Link #1911
Myname Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006	So the last 3 novels are after they graduate from high school? So Tsubasa has 3 arcs, the other girls 2 arcs, and the sisters 1 arc each. Tsubasa must have a lot of problems to get the most arcs. Last edited by Myname; 2012-03-07 at 04:40.

2012-03-09, 04:24	Link #1913
minaka Member Join Date: Dec 2009	Question: Spoiler: I saw the chapter 7 of nisemonogatari and kaiki said that Hitagi was in love with him and as kaiki is a scammer, I can't believe in his words, but more confusing was the clarification of Hitagi to Koyomi.. Can you help me with this?

2012-03-09, 18:30	Link #1915
Mura Now or Never Join Date: Jan 2012 Age: 37	Quick question omimon, is Tsukihi's "Platinum Mad" line anime only or does she say that in the novel? __________________

2012-03-11, 11:23	Link #1919
Mura Now or Never Join Date: Jan 2012 Age: 37	What the story with Kagenui and not standing/walking on the ground? __________________

2012-03-04, 14:47	Link #1901
taichi-kun Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Thanks I remember when I watched the anime... I never understood what was hitagi doing alone in the classroom while koyomi was with hanekawa ,But now It's clear.

2012-03-05, 03:14	Link #1902
teja208 Critical fanboy Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Anywhere with anime and anime discussion is fine	Sorry for asking something unusual out of the blue. After watched both Bake and Nise anime, I noticed that Nise is much more comedic and lighthearted than Bake while opposite can be said for Kizu. Therefore, starting from Bake till the latest book available, Koi isn’t it, I’m interested to know how novel fans rate the levels of seriousness for each of the novels from 1 to 5 where: 1 = most lighthearted, comedic, slice of life-ish centered book 5 = most bloody, gore, angst, drama centered book 3 = standard monogatari novel i.e. mix of both or somewhere between 1 and 5 I don’t mind decimal points though if gap is very small but please no spoiler for materials not yet seen in anime. This knowledge can help adjust my expectations accordingly so I can enjoy the most out of monogatari series in case of future adaptations or translations are available. Thanks for the help.

2012-03-05, 17:32	Link #1908
leorodri100 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011	ominon does karen's hair grow back in nekomonogatari btw if you go to the nise anime site there is 2 links with a ???? one with araragi's bike and another with the cat...i'm betting the bike is kizu and the cat is nekomonogatari

2012-03-06, 05:22	Link #1910
frivolity My posts are frivolous Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 35	So what actually happens in Koimonogatari?

2012-03-09, 21:58	Link #1916
leorodri100 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011	man tsukihi's op is kinda...of depressing...

2012-03-10, 02:49	Link #1917
Shikijin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	"Platinum mad" comes from the novel. All lines are from the novel. In Bake I see they invented something here and there, but Nise is completely faithful.

2012-03-10, 22:09	Link #1918
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Actually hearing the dialogue in the anime does wonders for understanding Nisio's wordplay. With my limited understanding of Japanese, I would never have picked up how many times the word nisemono was used while reading the novels or the novel translations.