2012-03-10, 09:41 | Link #9482 | |
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anyway suzaku is good for his spinning kick, aside from that nothing's going for him
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2012-08-02, 18:09 | Link #9486 |
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Suzaku is my favorite character period. I liked how throughout the series it was pretty much role reversal for him and Lelouche. It would've made more sense for Suzaku to be leading the rebillion being the son of the prime minister and Lelouche being a knight of Britannia being a prince and his mom was a stellar pilot.
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2012-08-03, 17:43 | Link #9488 | |
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and Suzaku had to fake his death somehow, because that was the part of the plan , because later on he had to become Zero, the battle between suzaku and kallen might had been a death match for kallen , but i don't think it was the same for Suzaku it doesn't mean that kallen is weak, they are around equal
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2012-08-04, 14:47 | Link #9492 |
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it might not be exactly how it was planned out, but technically when they fought din't he broke the Gurren just before the Lancelot explodes, even though Suzaku thinks that he might not be able to defeat her, somehow the battle ends up in a tie, as i said they are equal
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2012-08-04, 17:48 | Link #9493 | |
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And, just to be technical, they're not equal if Suzaku has to spend most of that fight with his Geass active. It means she's better and he just has an unnatural boost to even the odds. If I were to draw examples from the entire series, I could easily say she is flat-out a better pilot than he is.
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2012-08-04, 18:17 | Link #9494 |
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Spec-wise the Guren had an edge over the Lancelot though. You can't say that Kallen's advantage only came from skill. Certainly Kallen had to surpass any of Lloyd or Cecile's expectations in order to make use of that potential, but it is canon that through that point to the endgame of the series Kallen had the most powerful knightmare.
It is also disingenuous to imply that Suzaku's mastery over his inflicted Geass isn't an achievement in itself. Fundamentally that is an unprecedented mental accomplishment within the series. For Suzaku to have been able to make use of his geass as a weapon in that manner, is in itself a credit to his abilities. |
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2012-08-05, 15:06 | Link #9496 |
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^Or maybe just another of her psychotic episodes kicked in.
But as I remember it, the Guren fell away just before the Lancelot exploded. Suzaku said she had "got him" but yet he lives on as Zero. So in the end he did in fact win! |
2012-08-06, 10:11 | Link #9497 | |
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No he lost. Being Zero means that Suzaku was always wrong and has to admit that the system cannot always be changed from the inside which validates everything Lelouch did and invalidates anything Suzaku did to stop Lelouch/Zero. Thus Suzaku won nothing and is forced to live on as Zero in a world that Lelouch desired and created and not one he desired or created.
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Which makes Gino's insistence that he's the better KMF pilot stupid since Suzaku kicked the crude out of Gino without any effort at all. Personally I believe he was just using that as an excuse to try and get in Kallen's pants. Good luck trying to prove an equal to Lelouch. |
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2012-08-06, 11:00 | Link #9498 | |
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By agreeing to be killed by Suzaku and clear the name of Euphie, Lelouch validated everything about Suzaku's position that Lelouch was wrong. Thus Lelouch being forced to die to create the peaceful world that Suzaku wanted shows that Suzaku "won" after all. |
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2012-08-06, 11:28 | Link #9499 |
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That still doesn't change that Lelouch used outside means to achieve his goals and used Geass to establish his power base after his heel turn. Without Geass or Zero than nothing would have changed, thus Suzaku putting the mask of Zero means that the world needs Zero for the foreseeable future.
Euphie wasn't validated, as far as the rest of the world knows she's still the one that ordered that tragedy. Besides, not like the public would believe in the Geass business anyway. The world Suzaku wanted was one where he changed everything from the inside, not what Lelouch did where he didn't bother working for change he forced it(which is not what Suzaku wanted). Instead he failed at that and was forced to join with Lelouch to force a coup and than garner the worlds hatreds based on a lie. Lelouch only allowed himself to die because of the guilt of what he had to do and to sell his plan so that the world could move on and Nunnally could live in a world she was trying to create. It had nothing to do about letting Suzaku win because everything that happened was what Lelouch had planned, Suzaku was just there for the ride. |
2012-08-06, 13:10 | Link #9500 |
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as far as i remember Suzaku and Lelouch both came to the decision that we saw at the end, none of them was forced into doing it, it was a necessary step to make peace
and for the Suzaku vs Kallen , neither of them was able to kill each other and both destroyed each others nightmare frames, that still counts for a tie, but referring from rest of the anime Suzaku is more persistent fighter, because he is seen fighting more than one powerful nightmares one after the other and fighting a large no. of ordinary nightmare frames all by himself, one more than one occasion so even if the fight between them was a tie, Suzaku is overall a better warrior
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