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Originally Posted by Shiek927
What I want to know is, how strong are the Dragons in the first place? More then intellect or anything else, honestly, that's what I want to know next...I always had the without-evidence idea that they were like above-average AB's (say, Rigardo-powerful, at least the average dragon), but Ryus' initial analysis think they are more Priscilla/Teresa strong, which is unbelievable.
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As stated before that was just me asking for clarification while only have moments to scan the summery then later being able to post a quick reply and it was only one thing I was trying to figure out (there power vs the powerhouses and AO and ABs).
Anyways here is what I'm leaning towards atm. It was stated
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Rimuto explained that the dragon kin is a tribe that can awaken, but once they do much like the Claymore they can never go back
The 2 awakened dragon kin bodies are alive and they are about 200 years old
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So the Dragons are another race of monsters created at least ~100 years before mainland war went two sided. Which is longer than many speculated meaning the first few prototype Claymores may have been on the island longer than 100 years and only once they where incorporated into the general armies of the MiBs allied nations did the war go full scale and every other nation went either a or b, since before that it would have been a can we appease the dragons and aim there wrath at country x instead of attacking and conquering here. So until the other side really had a chance counter there where no two sides, just one vs many desperate nations states. It could also mean the war flat out started 200 years ago but just didn't spread worldwide until 100 years ago, so the first few nations to oppose the dragons could have had warriors 195 years ago but it took 95 years for these two nations to takeover every minor nation around them in order to gain advantage over the other side (aka an RTS game with no rushs, since we are dealing with feudalistic armies which take long periods of time to solidify control over each nation, after all if you don't keep these conquered nations in check with occupying troops they would possibly rebel) Point is Yagi now has 100 extra years of freedom to set up the 100 year wars backstory.
I state they where created since how could a naturally evolved race of beings exist, if after x point they went full monster and couldn't revert. Lets face it unless the author came up with some super crazy rule these creature wouldn't give birth to non awakened versions of them whom "could go back". So therefore Dragons are created monsters too... and if they came about 200 years ago one has to wonder how long they took to make and where they did it? Does the Dragonkin have there own "island" somewhere?
Now quickly back to the 100 years before the war went two sided, I'm beginning to speculate that otherside in the mainland war built these monsters somehow and used them to start expanding there territory. However like the current issue the org faces now they needed greater control over the monsters to effectively capitalize on them, since lets face it once they "awaken" they couldn't go back and would logically attack there own side thus weakening them. Worse yet with no natural counter like the ABs it meant they had to pray these monsters just wouldn't turn around and eat there forces or else they'd have to kill them themselves as humans or hope awakening another dragon could weaken it to the point one was dead and the other wounded enough to handle. next off they be fools to use them in large numbers without some sort of natural counter (since we know now that after 200 years they have died from old age and wounds, so clearly they couldn't wait out a dragon them move into it's old lair). Yet they where still clearly effective enough to allow the otherside to expand there empire slowly over 100 years "until the war went two sided". Yet clearly those 100 year only gave the other nations whom feared being the next victims time to eventually capture 2 of these monsters, set up an island base to reverse bio-engineer these monsters and ~100 years ago they created the first Yoma and from the Claymores, whom then awakened and became Awakened Beings.
Now we get into the first tricky part, we know that Clare's accessible power when first becoming a warrior was weaker than Teresa's... so why was that? Could it have been due to the fact she hadn't awakened so since she herself hadn't accessed all her power so she handed down to Clare only part of her power (aka so humanity diluted the power transfer)? Or did it stunt her power but not totally limit it either? or was it just due to the fact the yoma's energy had sycronized with Teresa and when Clare joined in it couldn't fully sycronize with Clare and Teresa (at least until Clare and Teresa merge or some other speculative idea we had upon those lines over the years). It's an interesting question. It effects the above since it makes us wonder how can a monster as powerful as a Dragon only create a creature as pitiful as a yoma, yet this yoma's flesh create a creature as strong as either teresa or priscilla? Something must be limiting the power transfer or at least delaying it taking full effect.
So potentially Dragon's could be at any strength level, also of note the two where very different designs... so we must ask are there more designs or breeds of dragons? and do mixing the flesh of these two effect what type of warrior ability one gets after they go offensive or defensive (so yoki prediction = offensive and yoki manipulation = defensive both result from a the same mixture of flesh between the two)? Or does what power one gets later only reflect a portion of the power one of these dragons has yet there power levels are about the same over all... or are the differences between the two more in the mind and powers and abilities pretty closely linked between the two? or some combination there of, like maybe the Dragons are dumber but tougher skinned but the ABs smarter and can manipulate there bodies more and aren't set to types of dragons but each individual is unique? Well you get the idea... however I want to leave you all on this though both Teresa and Priscilla source of power came from these two monsters flesh, so if those two are stronger then there source monsters how come? Then can the dragons side incorporate this into the Dragons once this source of the powerup is discovered?
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" However the problem here is we can't eliminate much so can we really rule out the dragons can't be stronger than Teresa or Priscilla? Or at least the very old Dragons could be... since...
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Originally Posted by God Eye Galatea
I think Rimuto said the the organization keep the bodies of the Dragon kin alive so they won't go old but also they don't get stronger.
The dragon kin fresh is used on human to create yoma
Yoma fresh is fused with human to create Claymore
Claymore awakened to become awakened being
So the organization did create something like the dragon kin but not controllable
Dragon kin -> Yoma -> Claymore -> Awakened Being
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So does that line mean Dragons age but as they age they gain power? (thus giving at least potential for very very old dragons (like warriors to "mature" and gain power until they awaken, also note this doesn't mean there isn't a cap to either's power level where they just can't get stronger anymore unless they are unique or something) or does it mean something else. If it means dragons are like warriors gaining power over the years but are awakened then in means in a sense a warrior awakening is a short cut to many more years of power but at the cost of losing the ability to gain power later over time... but since the org treats them like disposable weapons it matters not if they don't get stronger later since it means they can be used today vs 20 years from now and the org can just make a new troop to replace her. Yet at the same time if they could gain control over a few ABs they would have quick access to the equivalent of very old dragons much sooner than the Dragons could thus giving them the upperhand potentially in the war. However lets face it very young dragons working in concert could still take down an AB whom is stronger than them unless very drastically outclassed and baby dragons like human fodder to become yoma/warriors could be "cheap" as far as 2 superpowers are concerned.
Back to the war and the time line... so these Dragons have an equivalent of an awakening, thus imply a loss of control. To this I ask do the dragon kins side have an 100 year advantage in learning to how to control their monsters? Would that explain how come Rubel was always one step ahead of everyone? If so did he know what would happen to Clare when she took in Teresa's flesh or at least have a good suspicion already? Yet he only tried to kill her once she partially awakened? Why only then? Was she to be his first choice in how the org would destroy itself? Was she just a tool to gain the trust of the org? or do the Dragons not have any more control of there monsters and Rubel saw her as a way to gain more data for his side too? I suspect the dragons side has at least some more degree of control over there monsters (after all the dragons couldn't create twin warriors since they don't use yoki flesh to sync the minds of the twins, so there control might just be more reliable awakenings, aka there soldiers won't always just awaken by accident but it can happen) if only due to there 100 year advantage in research, but like the cold war so what if you have the better aiming missiles since in the grand scheme of things hitting the target only a mile closer in the scheme of nuclear detonations doesn't really matter much, especially if you aim 50 missiles at one city since 50 near hits still whip the city from the map. Of course the org does have a counter to this advantage and as odd as it may seem, it's the weakest monster of them all, yoma. So sure the dragons don't have to worry as much about there own troops turning on them but they do have to worry about the 100,000 yoma behind there lines eating the villagers that grow up to become those soldiers.
However once again lets look at the above quote.
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Originally Posted by God Eye Galatea
I think Rimuto said the the organization keep the bodies of the Dragon kin alive so they won't go old but also they don't get stronger.
The dragon kin fresh is used on human to create yoma
Yoma fresh is fused with human to create Claymore
Claymore awakened to become awakened being
So the organization did create something like the dragon kin but not controllable
Dragon kin -> Yoma -> Claymore -> Awakened Being
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So my suspicion is the Dragons are 100% controllable and they where only unleashed upon the world once there side figured out how to control them (what benefit would they have been otherwise?). I suspect that the org countered with Yoma as a "diversion" to counter some of the benefits of having a controllable army of monsters when they don't have such a luxury, so the playing flied is kinda leveled as a result. Next off I'm more cautiously guessing the ABs are at the very least more mutatus (is that a word?) and can become insanely strong very quickly but the Dragons are slower to create at high powers since they gain power even once awakened as they age but unlike ABs can be breed in high numbers.
Well, been a long time since I speculated like that... here is to hoping Claymore continues in some fashion so I can keep doing this, it reminded me why I used to love posting long posts just full of speculations and analyses. :derp
please forgive the tl;dr :teehee