2012-05-27, 13:49 | Link #4521 |
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Requoted for great truth... anyway, it is what that mindset has *become*. Biologically for a species that is inherently socially cooperative, its a dysfunction of self-delusion.
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2012-05-27, 13:56 | Link #4522 |
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It does strike me as completely nonsensical. The sole reason humanity is where it is now, the reason we exist as the sole sentient species on this planet, is precisely because we cooperate and work together to accomplish things we would never be able to do alone.
It's not just our hands with opposable thumbs, or our big brains, but it's our ability to connect those big brains together in tandem and create synergy. It's like a multicore CPU, in which each core, working together to crunch numbers, can operate on different threads of execution simultaneously.
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2012-05-27, 13:59 | Link #4523 | |
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2012-05-27, 13:59 | Link #4524 | |
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2012-05-27, 14:21 | Link #4527 | |
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Allow me to reiterate a point made before:
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Ever since Obama got elected, democrats now challenge many of the views of the corporate world, while Romney and the republicans continue to support it. The big question here is, and I don't know the answer, what is the current mindset of the American people at this time? Is it still largely under the influence of the Reagan era, the era of the self, or has it morphed into a more collective approach? Whichever of these two views of the world is the strongest shall dictate the winner of this upcoming elections. Anyone care to try to answer this question?
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I would suggest reading this book by Charles A Lindbergh. Banking & Currency & The Money Trust http://books.google.com/books?id=B9I...page&q&f=false However, we clearly agree on Reagan. He was not the "great messianic figure of capitalism" that we have been led to believe he was. Quote:
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Arnold Toynbee called that type of system "Imperial Socialism" and both he, Alfred Milner, and Cecil Rhodes pledged their lives and their fortunes to shaping the world into what it is today. Quote:
Because you're absolutely correct. We are economic serfs, and we can thank people like Bernays for helping enslave us. This is not a "conspiracy theory," it is documented fact that the good ol boys of All Souls used their power and influence to create this mess we're now in. Of course for the elite class they represented, the world is becoming a much better place. It just sucks for the rest of us. Quote:
From the the blog "JohnQuncy: Active Citizens or Passive Consumers": The Democrats ran focus groups that told him that voters were only interest[ed] in paying taxes for things that benefited them and not for the welfare of others. Clinton decided to tailor his policies along these lines. He ran a campaign that pledged middle class tax cuts. They also focused grouped all his appearances and speeches ahead of time to gauge reactions and tailor the message. The democrats wanted to remain true to their traditional policies but needed to regain power to do this. Tax cuts for the middle class were seen as the price that they had to pay. Once in power, they were determined to help the poor mainly through public health care. To pay for this they planned to cut defense spending and raise taxes on the rich. Once in power, the Democrats realized that the budget deficit was much greater than expected. There was no way to borrow the money without spooking the markets. The only way to pay for the promised tax cuts for the middle class was to cut welfare as well as defense spending. Instead of cutting taxes, Clinton reneged on his promise hoping he could make personal appeals for continued welfare spending. Clinton reverted back to the old Democratic tradition of the collective over the individual. He promoted universal health care, universal child care, addressing societal inequalities and homelessness. Suburban voters were not inspired by this vision. They wanted their tax cuts and felt betrayed by Clinton. Clinton lost both houses of congress in the mid-terms elections and his popularity plummeted. He turned to Dick Morris for help who advised him that to win reelection he would have to transform the nature of politics. He would have to treat voters as consumers. The way to win back the crucial suburban voters was to forget ideology and to identify and promise to fulfill their desires and whims. He needed to be as sensitive as business with voters treated as consumers and their votes being the profits. Instead of treating voters as targets, treat them as owners. Instead of treating them as objects to manipulate, treat them as people you need to learn from. Instead of trying to move voters to your fixed position, you need to accommodate them. For the first time, life style marketing was used in politics. The blogger is correct. That's why Clinton supported NAFTA, GATT, and the repeal of Glass Steagall, to name but a few things. Quote:
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This would have exposed the pyramid-ponzi scheme that is the Federal Reserve System, Fiat money, and Wall Street as a whole. Why do you think it was so damn imperiative for the government to bail them out? It wasn't to help the citizenry, it was to save Wall Street and keep the pinstripe bandits from losing their fortunes. Quote:
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I'm currently re-reading Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" for the third time, and let me assure you Sugetsu there are no corporations in a free-market system, only private business. Corporations are "public-private partnerships" and/or "a creature of the state" they are not a private business by legal definition. Quote:
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2012-05-27, 18:01 | Link #4531 |
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TBT not enough, the whole truth is that ATM the repubs embrace dogma/religion and shun free-thinking/science, specially when it opposes the dogma/religion or there is a posobility than might force them to change the way they do business (climate change).
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2012-05-27, 19:15 | Link #4532 |
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Cannot this be said of a multitude of people on Earth, regardless of political affiliation? The only reason to say that repub(lican)s believe dogma (and phrased in a way that all of them hold that ideal) is if you believe that democrats are any better. In fact, neither of the parties are better than one another, especially not in the non-political environment of science, which got politicized for the purposes of politicians of both parties for their own ends and gains.
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2012-05-27, 20:18 | Link #4536 | |
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a) one society being forcefully conquered by the other. b) the two societies being both mutually threatened by a 3rd, stronger society, or were in the recent past. |
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2012-05-27, 20:45 | Link #4537 | |
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In three years it will be two decades since NAFTA was signed and IMO that is an example of two societies (Canadian/USA and Mexico) with easy to spot differences but complementing economies have cooperated out for mutual benefits. I know many people (on both sides of the rio grande/bravo) will say there have been some losses also, but the overall synergy is positive. |
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