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2012-05-28, 11:10 | Link #4562 |
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And thus we accept things that are facts as such, right? And I didn't declare that theories are facts because while some (Evolution, Plate Tectonics) are obvious and even observable with our own eyes in some areas, other theories (string theory, special relativity, quantum physics) fall under the same category but do not hold up as well as others in terms of declaring "This is right!".
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2012-05-28, 11:12 | Link #4563 | |
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But just to start... what we have with Boortz's commencement tirade is an undefended thesis, delivered without benefit of cross examination (meaning Boortz was not having to support or defend his assertions). It is chock full of unsupported assertions, false equivalencies, and binary reductions. It has a fair amount of misrepresentations which are the effects of being uninformed, stupid, or lying, pick one. He's a lawyer by training who is now a radio talk show host - which means he left a trade where you have to defend your statements and picked one where the mute button always wins. ================================================== ==== For an example of a Republican with a clue, have a read/listen of Colin Powell's observations (article and supporting video): http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05...blicans-video/
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2012-05-28, 13:48 | Link #4565 | ||
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Now, I feel the need to Snopes it. Edit: ah, I note in the ORIGINAL LINK comment 13 near the bottom of a bunch of idiotic anti-intellectual glee posts: Quote:
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2012-05-28, 14:05 | Link #4566 | |
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Rofl... I think my above short summary of the problems in the speech are more than sufficient. Moving on... ======================================= I'll lift this from a post I made responding to someone who wanted to learn how to think critically: Quote:
Just to make this post about 3 or 4 things, I think I relate to what this guy is saying about the right wing and its mass hysteria: http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/155...Mass_Hysteria/
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2012-05-28, 15:28 | Link #4568 |
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It's nice to see even hardcore conservatives backing away from the screaming lunacy that is the modern right-wing.
I don't agree with most of anything he says (other than his views on PETA, probably) but you know what they say--the enemy of my enemy is my friend. People like that leaving the GOP makes the GOP weaker, even if we'll have to fight them later on--after all, he's still Republican enough to call earned benefits "entitlements" and hilariously assumes they'll consume all tax collected in the near future, and to honestly believe that humanity isn't the driving force behind global warming... seriously, assholes, read the goddamned scientific papers. Don't read the news.
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2012-05-29, 11:00 | Link #4569 |
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Ohio's white working-class voters: on the fence
If this article has any element of truth in it, I am glad finally some people stood up to say "You guys are BOTH fcked up".
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2012-05-29, 14:28 | Link #4570 | |
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Sooooo easy for it to descend into authoritarianism or "bring out the guillotines" with those ignition levels.
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2012-05-29, 14:37 | Link #4571 |
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Sadly a peasant revolt is what is required for the USA goverment to make illegal the sale of assault rifles and ammunition to civilians, that made sense more than a hundred years ago when native americans were at war with the USA, nowadays firearms are a ssold as toys so that armament industries keep making huge profits in times of peace.
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2012-05-29, 15:03 | Link #4572 |
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Considering the original point of the "Right To Bear Arms" amendment was to have a viable defense without an Army. But also to have men able to fight if the government turns on the people (it was written shortly after a revolution against a larger nation that had taken up housing troop without permission in peoples homes and other assorted things.)
The Bill of Rights was a compromise to get the Constitution signed. It was put forth by those that wanted to limit the powers of the new government in an effort to keep the United States from doing was Britian had done to them only a decade or two prior.
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2012-05-29, 15:05 | Link #4573 | |
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or than they belive are against them. I wouldn't be surprised if there would be some hypocrits bigshot at the head of such mouvement.
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2012-05-29, 17:22 | Link #4575 |
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Romney Courts Trump’s Dollars, but Shuns His Message
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...is-message/?hp
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No, it means the government nullifies the debts, meaning they do not have to be paid back. Specifically I was speaking of the housing market in the US due to the continuing of the housing crisis. Quote:
The point of allowing the banks to fail is so that they can be broken up and the system fixed. It’s time to break up the big banks http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...vQU_story.html Quote:
Or when Clinton forgave the debt poor countries owed us? Or Japan forgiving the debt of Myanmar? Besides, the rest of the world is so in debt that a reset of the system might help all countries in the long run. China's debt right now is worse than Europe's. So a US debt forgiveness isn't at all a rogue or outlandish idea. I don't think all the congression "delaying" caused the credit rating drop. It is the state of our economy and the out of control spending that cost us our AAA rating. Here's a good example of what I'm talking about (forgive the source of the article). Forgive Us Our Debts? http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...ts_645182.html Quote:
Therefore, money in people's private bank accounts isn't gone. Unless you are assuming that the banks wouldn't be able to pay it back? In that case all the assets of the bank (including the private assets of the trustees and owners) would have to be seized and the US Treasury would have to cover the rest. The increase in the buying power of money through specie will simply allow the currency to buy more at the new exchange rate. For example, if the value of 1 dollar is currently 1/40 of an ounce of silver and you set the country back to the method of "set weights and measures" as per the constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 5. The Congress shall have Power...To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.) to a ratio of 1 dollar per 1 ounce silver you increase the buying power/value of 1 paper dollar by 40 times its current exhange rate. Would that destroy the current financial system as it exists? Possibly. Do I care? Nope. Why? Because it is hopelessly broken and corrupt right now and if things don't turn around soon a collapse will ensue anyway. It needs to be completely overhauled. Quote:
The idea that one needs to sell ones home after the debt is forgiven doesn't make sense. If you own the home outright, then why bother selling if you don't have to. If, as you say, housing prices drop due to supply on the market, then so be it. The market is not a static system, it will change. However, not having to pay a morgage payment each month is beneficial to the homeowner (who would truly be an owner without owing anything to a bank) and that is far more important than a drop in housing prices. Unemployment has nothing to do with forgiveness of housing debt. In fact, if you don't have a house payment you can take a job that pays less and still make ends meet. So again, forgiveness of the housing debt would have been better than bailing out the banks. And let's be honest here, what would have really happened if the banks were forced to pay for what they had done? The banks would have broken up into smaller banks and the government could easily have made this transition as painless for the citizenry as possible. Quote:
Considering none of us have ever seen the kind of environment I'm talking about put into practice, making predictions of doom and gloom are premature at best. Quote:
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2012-05-30, 05:11 | Link #4577 |
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As governor, Romney picked winners and losers of his own
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84T05F20120530
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2012-05-30, 08:42 | Link #4580 |
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Which is very sad because they would not become 1 cent richer, everybody else would become 275% (at least, because thi might trigger a domino effect that might increase the devaluation, remember all those dollars floating around, what happens when nobody else wants them and return them to the us?) poorer which to the untrained eye might make it look like they are richer (look, I have more money than everybody else). I talk from experience since we had our fill of inflation and currency devaluation in the late part of the 20th century and the end result was that our economy shrank, no ands, ifs or buts.
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