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NaNash| · 2005-12-27, 05:32

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Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

I didn't think the movie was soley about racism.

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ChainLegacy · 2005-12-27, 19:01

Well, the movie was great, it truly wrapped up the series for me. I started watching Fullmetal Alchemist two years ago, and it was important in introducing me to anime as a whole. It remains one of my favorites all time to this day. I'm just glad that I finally have a sense of closure after seeing the movie. I don't have much to say plot-wise, but I have a couple of comments.

Spoiler for movie:

Shigan · 2005-12-28, 03:35

The movie was really really great, complex storyline and tied most of the loose threads which was left by the original anime BUT:

Spoiler:

-Wonderful- animation on Noa's dance in the end. Really lit your blood so to speak

And I guess the anime storyline is done, I guess I'll just wish the Elric brothers good luck in protecting Noa through the second world war and go back to the manga then.

BTW, will there be a soundtrack? I'm kinda in for the two gipsy songs that were played in the beginning and the end.

Itachikun · 2005-12-28, 04:08

What the...

I know Im not allowed to say anything about where to get it?. But how in god's name did you guys watch it?. Unless they aired it in cinemas in the US.

Also the DVD is coming out on the 25th of Jan. So how?!

Unless you watched those *********************, you know what they are..
________
TWO AND A HALF MEN FORUM

Last_Hope · 2005-12-28, 04:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shigan

The movie was really really great, complex storyline and tied most of the loose threads which was left by the original anime BUT:

Spoiler:

Sonhex · 2005-12-28, 06:18

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Originally Posted by Last_Hope

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Ditto. I watched the movie recently and was very dissapointed. Technically it was good, but not great, although it was good to see the old gang together, especially at the end. But overall the movie did little to capitalize on the series. Ironically it made me feel the opposite - made me want to watch the whole series again, because the movie left me wanting more of FMA I loved.

Having said that the cameos were fun, especially Lyra's LOL

Last_Hope · 2005-12-28, 07:25

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Originally Posted by Sonhex

Ditto. I watched the movie recently and was very dissapointed. Technically it was good, but not great, although it was good to see the old gang together, especially at the end. But overall the movie did little to capitalize on the series. Ironically it made me feel the opposite - made me want to watch the whole series again, because the movie left me wanting more of FMA I loved.

I liked the movie, the animation was good, the plot was exciting and it was fun to see the old characters but the ending...brrr...The ending. It totally sucked!

So instead I´m thinking of picking up the manga instead, since that one hasn´t ended yet?

Although, it´s not entirely true that I will abandon FMA completely. I have this one episode I just have to watch from time to time, "Fullmetal vs Flame".

Shigan · 2005-12-28, 11:08

Actually...

Spoiler:

I was still rather fond of the movie, ok, the general plot was as well-constructed as your average B-movie but realy, I don't expect more from an anime (we didn't even get to know why the blonde german woman could use alchemy and "they're monsters since they're not from our world, therefor, we attack!" puuleez...X(.

But ignoring the movie plot that was almost unimportant compared to what we got to see of the old gang. And I liked what we got there; Izumi sadly but unavoidable died from missing half of her organs O_o, Wraith paid his dues, Envy wasn't able to humantize again, Rose is carrying on, good old Hawkeye with the gang and Armstrong is...Armstrong.

I have to admit, another sucky part was Mustang's self isolation, I mean wtf, where did that come from? It felt like they just decided to throw it in so he could have his awesome comeback at the end. I'm not complaining since Mustang's hot

, but the director's brain was clearly celebrating christmas while he wrote that part.

I even loved that we got to see some old, and -dead- faces like Hughes (the Nazi XD), Bradley and Lyla, not to mention a down to the toenails handsome, grown-up Alphonse but what really pissed me off was how the director just wrote Winry off. He even added in the script that Alphonse -asked- Edward, "what are you going to do about Winry?" - and wtf Edward just forgot about it? The girl who is -secondly- most important to you after your brother? Your childhood friend, crush and constant support through the whole frigging show whose whole and heartsome input in the story has been about fixing and improving -your- automail, and i dare to say not only out of professionalism, and he just forgot? Even Noa who is a movie added character got a better deal out of the ending than Winry, and while I think Noa deserved a good finish, Winry should have been granted far far FAR more credit.

Dear dear director, scriptwriter and studio, you really underestimated your audience. I wouldn't have minded both of the brothers on the wrong side of the door, but as it came out, they and Winry got absolutely nothing resolved and nothing said. So all those childhood memories and present trials together with her was what? Unimportant? Nada? A big frigging plothole you simply didn't have the time nor budget to cover so you just decided to skip and hope that we might not notice it?

It sucked, and sucked big since it ruined a lot of the characters from the anime. Edward and Alphonse would -never- have left Winry behind so nochalanty and without even thinking of her, and Winry's whole role through the anime just got punctured like a overblown baloon. What was she in the anime to the brothers then, being given such an ending? Just the token girl who gets cast aside since she didnt contribute anything? *tears hair*

But still, I have to say it again. Noa's dancing at the funeral, I hadn't minded a whole music video of that

Last_Hope · 2005-12-28, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shigan

Actually...

Spoiler:

I was still rather fond of the movie, ok, the general plot was as well-constructed as your average B-movie but realy, I don't expect more from an anime (we didn't even get to know why the blonde german woman could use alchemy and "they're monsters since they're not from our world, therefor, we attack!" puuleez...X(.

But ignoring the movie plot that was almost unimportant compared to what we got to see of the old gang. And I liked what we got there; Izumi sadly but unavoidable died from missing half of her organs O_o, Wraith paid his dues, Envy wasn't able to humantize again, Rose is carrying on, good old Hawkeye with the gang and Armstrong is...Armstrong.

I have to admit, another sucky part was Mustang's self isolation, I mean wtf, where did that come from? It felt like they just decided to throw it in so he could have his awesome comeback at the end. I'm not complaining since Mustang's hot

, but the director's brain was clearly celebrating christmas while he wrote that part.

I even loved that we got to see some old, and -dead- faces like Hughes (the Nazi XD), Bradley and Lyla, not to mention a down to the toenails handsome, grown-up Alphonse but what really pissed me off was how the director just wrote Winry off. He even added in the script that Alphonse -asked- Edward, "what are you going to do about Winry?" - and wtf Edward just forgot about it? The girl who is -secondly- most important to you after your brother? Your childhood friend, crush and constant support through the whole frigging show whose whole and heartsome input in the story has been about fixing and improving -your- automail, and i dare to say not only out of professionalism, and he just forgot? Even Noa who is a movie added character got a better deal out of the ending than Winry, and while I think Noa deserved a good finish, Winry should have been granted far far FAR more credit.

Dear dear director, scriptwriter and studio, you really underestimated your audience. I wouldn't have minded both of the brothers on the wrong side of the door, but as it came out, they and Winry got absolutely nothing resolved and nothing said. So all those childhood memories and present trials together with her was what? Unimportant? Nada? A big frigging plothole you simply didn't have the time nor budget to cover so you just decided to skip and hope that we might not notice it?

It sucked, and sucked big since it ruined a lot of the characters from the anime. Edward and Alphonse would -never- have left Winry behind so nochalanty and without even thinking of her, and Winry's whole role through the anime just got punctured like a overblown baloon. What was she in the anime to the brothers then, being given such an ending? Just the token girl who gets cast aside since she didnt contribute anything? *tears hair*

But still, I have to say it again. Noa's dancing at the funeral, I hadn't minded a whole music video of that

I think they need to do a second season, instead of the movie, for us who isn´t pleased with this. For me the ending ruined the whole FMA series.

Spoiler:

Gravi-T · 2005-12-30, 05:31

Wow. There's a lot of bad reviews in here.

Let me start by saying that I am a "long time" fan of the Fullmetal Alchemist anime. I've watched the series since it started, and actually, it was the main reason I joined Animesuki forums almost two years ago. Because of all the discussions about it, I mean.

My thoughts about the movie... I thought it was great. Incredible. Above my expectations. Maybe that's because I didn't expect too much? I tried not to overhype it and get too excited about it. I knew what the basic storyline would be and never tried to imagine what my ending of the TV-series would look like. All I wanted and needed was an ending to the series. Because it is my favorite series after all.

Spoiler:

I liked the plot of the movie. I liked how they resolved many of the unanswered questions left from the tv-series. It certainly wasn't what I expected.

I would've wanted to see more of Dante, though. Her last appearance in the series just left one wondering what happened to her. And we had many theories about her disappearance. A lot of people believed she still was alive, and so did I. It really seemed like an "uh-oh... she's coming back for revenge later on!"-thing. But she never did. And I liked her as a character. But it's true as you say, her storyline was indeed finished. But I just felt like we needed a little closure on her storyline. We never saw Gluttony eat her, but we saw Envy bite Hohenheim.
I was satisfied with Hohenheim's role in the movie too. We didn't really need more than he gave us. Although, he could've given Ed some advice about life and the worlds and alchemy or something, before he left.

I think that they brought history into the anime in a good way. The rebellion in the movie was called The Beer Hall Putsch in real life. The same way as they did at the end of the TV-series, with the zeppelins and stuff. And I agree that a big part of the theme of the movie was about racism. But then again, so was the TV-series. Remember Ishbal (let's not get into a discussion on how to spell it, please.)? The people of Ishbal with brown skin and red eyes, who were treated like animals and left poor on their own? Scar's long-lasting hunt for equality ("they killed my brother, so now I'm going to kill them!")? And then Ed and Al learning that people of different skin color aren't different on the inside. I think this played a big part in the TV-series too, although not in a lot of episodes.

But I did not like seeing Hughes as a Nazi. First, in the series, we lose him and everything's really tragic and the next time we see him, he's a Nazi? That wasn't much fun. It's a good thing he turned good again (or did he?) at the end.

And about the ending... it didn't leave me angry like most of you guys. It left me releaved. And satisfied. It was the ending we really needed. The TV-series ended with the brothers still looking for each other, the movie ended with the brothers finding each other. It was a happy ending (if we just disregard Winry not joining the brothers). It's just sad that they have to live in this world. Our world. 'Cause several years later, Hitler rose to power and ruled Nazi-Germany with his ironed moustache. I wonder what happened to Ed and Al at that time. If they decided not to get involved in our world's problems, I mean. Maybe they went to Tibet and learned some martial arts and became Batmen or something. Naah, that would suck even more.

All in all, I was very pleased with the movie. I liked it a lot and it makes me want to rewatch the TV-series again. I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but the movie was really good. It's not the details that are important. Who really cares if automail-reinsertion hurts or not? That's not what makes a movie bad. Fans should be less fanatic and more accepting of what they are fans of. And not be hung up on details. This movie gave me closure. Finally, I can rest in peace, knowing that everything turned out alright. Why can't you?

Deacon Blues · 2005-12-31, 03:23

I just watched the movie today... interesting, pointless, and full of fluff. I ended up skimming past alot of the useless scenes in the movie to get to the good stuff. The fight scenes near the end were well done (I want a model of those rockets), but I think it could have been longer if you ask me.

So, now that this "ends" FullMetal Alchemist, who wants to be another series comes out that negates the movie or slaps it into the realm of "alternate universes?"

neoko · 2005-12-31, 03:47

How about we all just go read the manga and enjoy the real full metal alchemist plot.

FMA was an awesome series, but the ending just left me loosing faith in anime. I think i might watch the movie for the action.

Last_Hope · 2005-12-31, 04:41

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Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

I just watched the movie today... interesting, pointless, and full of fluff. I ended up skimming past alot of the useless scenes in the movie to get to the good stuff. The fight scenes near the end were well done (I want a model of those rockets), but I think it could have been longer if you ask me.

So, now that this "ends" FullMetal Alchemist, who wants to be another series comes out that negates the movie or slaps it into the realm of "alternate universes?"

I definitely wants a second season that negates the movie. But I don´t know how high the probability of that happening is.

Sonhex · 2005-12-31, 06:09

A second season is unlikely, Bones have moved on from FMA being their current love (that honour goes to the awesome Eureka 7). However another movie, OAV or Special is possible. Specials are popular and a good way to sell dvds.

I certainly would not like to see a series of FMA set after the end of the movie with Ed & Al battling Nazis, that would just be silly...

sanguinivore · 2006-01-01, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Sonhex

Ironically it made me feel the opposite - made me want to watch the whole series again, because the movie left me wanting more of FMA I loved.

*agree. series set the standard/hype too high.. movie didnt reach it

strange how..:

Spoiler:

Ansa · 2006-01-01, 23:04

I rate the movie a 2/10 just for...

Spoiler:

I'll be back later to post logical thoughts after I calm down.

Shigan · 2006-01-01, 23:35

Uh...you might want to fix those spoiler tags XD

Sonhex · 2006-01-02, 06:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanguinivore

*agree. series set the standard/hype too high.. movie didnt reach it

strange how..:

Spoiler:

I did find hard to show any real love for a movie that resurrectted one of my favourite, and sorely missed characters, as a Nazi...

AoiMidori · 2006-01-02, 09:56

watched the movie a long time ago.. er.. now i can't really remember bits of it..

it's really great that movie! but the slight drawback was there was so little Royai in the movie!

ZippyDSM · 2006-01-03, 00:27

I realy liked how they did this altho winry seemd to paly a smaller part altho soemtimes they do forget her when they can *L* ,and if theres one connection to the worlds there are others simplely becuse alchemy is in one world and will always be thus connecting them.

if they follow the mnaga for the next sreis if theres a next series it shouldnt be to bad,remember moives rarely count in a story line *L*

I hope if they make another one its as good as this ^^
need to get the dvd when it coems out!!

2005-12-27, 19:01	Link #162
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	Well, the movie was great, it truly wrapped up the series for me. I started watching Fullmetal Alchemist two years ago, and it was important in introducing me to anime as a whole. It remains one of my favorites all time to this day. I'm just glad that I finally have a sense of closure after seeing the movie. I don't have much to say plot-wise, but I have a couple of comments. Spoiler for movie: I think poor Winry really got the shaft. She loves Ed and Al very much; they are two of the most important people to her, and she's now left all alone... Sad. I really liked the Scar and Lust cameo at the end. I thought they were gypsies but now I'm second guessing myself because I've never heard of a male gypsie, lol Last edited by ChainLegacy; 2005-12-28 at 03:58.

2005-12-28, 03:35	Link #163
Shigan Forever a Journey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Close to the northpole	The movie was really really great, complex storyline and tied most of the loose threads which was left by the original anime BUT: Spoiler: So Winry was just a sidekick who didn't matter or what? How come everyone got their stuff solved but her? She was just a godamn bystander to the whole thing and will now on be substituted by Noa as the brothers' token female sidekick? Dear dear scriptwriter, this part really sucked. -Wonderful- animation on Noa's dance in the end. Really lit your blood so to speak And I guess the anime storyline is done, I guess I'll just wish the Elric brothers good luck in protecting Noa through the second world war and go back to the manga then. BTW, will there be a soundtrack? I'm kinda in for the two gipsy songs that were played in the beginning and the end.

2005-12-28, 04:08	Link #164
Itachikun Animesuki's Janitor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Somewhere in Shigeru Miyamoto's head Age: 37	What the... I know Im not allowed to say anything about where to get it?. But how in god's name did you guys watch it?. Unless they aired it in cinemas in the US. Also the DVD is coming out on the 25th of Jan. So how?! Unless you watched those ********************, you know what they are.. ________ TWO AND A HALF MEN FORUM Last edited by Itachikun; 2011-02-15 at 07:51.*

2005-12-31, 03:23	Link #171
Deacon Blues Supreme Grocer Scanlator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico	I just watched the movie today... interesting, pointless, and full of fluff. I ended up skimming past alot of the useless scenes in the movie to get to the good stuff. The fight scenes near the end were well done (I want a model of those rockets), but I think it could have been longer if you ask me. So, now that this "ends" FullMetal Alchemist, who wants to be another series comes out that negates the movie or slaps it into the realm of "alternate universes?" __________________ 「では、人間は、何故、戦うのか？戦うことに存在意義があるのかもしれない。戦っている人間には充実感がある。そして、戦っている人間が汚れて見えないのも事実だ」 So why do people fight, anyway? Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight. People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle. And it’s also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.

2006-01-01, 23:04	Link #176
Ansa Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004	I rate the movie a 2/10 just for... Spoiler: How it ends with Winry, I'm just glad I'm not the only one who feels the same, that alone makes me so royally pissed off it's not even funny. DIE FMA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll be back later to post logical thoughts after I calm down. Last edited by Ansa; 2006-01-01 at 23:40.

2005-12-28, 11:08	Link #168
Shigan Forever a Journey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Close to the northpole	Actually... Spoiler: I was still rather fond of the movie, ok, the general plot was as well-constructed as your average B-movie but realy, I don't expect more from an anime (we didn't even get to know why the blonde german woman could use alchemy and "they're monsters since they're not from our world, therefor, we attack!" puuleez...X(. But ignoring the movie plot that was almost unimportant compared to what we got to see of the old gang. And I liked what we got there; Izumi sadly but unavoidable died from missing half of her organs O_o, Wraith paid his dues, Envy wasn't able to humantize again, Rose is carrying on, good old Hawkeye with the gang and Armstrong is...Armstrong. I have to admit, another sucky part was Mustang's self isolation, I mean wtf, where did that come from? It felt like they just decided to throw it in so he could have his awesome comeback at the end. I'm not complaining since Mustang's hot , but the director's brain was clearly celebrating christmas while he wrote that part. I even loved that we got to see some old, and -dead- faces like Hughes (the Nazi XD), Bradley and Lyla, not to mention a down to the toenails handsome, grown-up Alphonse but what really pissed me off was how the director just wrote Winry off. He even added in the script that Alphonse -asked- Edward, "what are you going to do about Winry?" - and wtf Edward just forgot about it? The girl who is -secondly- most important to you after your brother? Your childhood friend, crush and constant support through the whole frigging show whose whole and heartsome input in the story has been about fixing and improving -your- automail, and i dare to say not only out of professionalism, and he just forgot? Even Noa who is a movie added character got a better deal out of the ending than Winry, and while I think Noa deserved a good finish, Winry should have been granted far far FAR more credit. Dear dear director, scriptwriter and studio, you really underestimated your audience. I wouldn't have minded both of the brothers on the wrong side of the door, but as it came out, they and Winry got absolutely nothing resolved and nothing said. So all those childhood memories and present trials together with her was what? Unimportant? Nada? A big frigging plothole you simply didn't have the time nor budget to cover so you just decided to skip and hope that we might not notice it? It sucked, and sucked big since it ruined a lot of the characters from the anime. Edward and Alphonse would -never- have left Winry behind so nochalanty and without even thinking of her, and Winry's whole role through the anime just got punctured like a overblown baloon. What was she in the anime to the brothers then, being given such an ending? Just the token girl who gets cast aside since she didnt contribute anything? tears hair But still, I have to say it again. Noa's dancing at the funeral, I hadn't minded a whole music video of that

2005-12-30, 05:31	Link #170
Gravi-T Rockin' Alchemist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 37	Wow. There's a lot of bad reviews in here. Let me start by saying that I am a "long time" fan of the Fullmetal Alchemist anime. I've watched the series since it started, and actually, it was the main reason I joined Animesuki forums almost two years ago. Because of all the discussions about it, I mean. My thoughts about the movie... I thought it was great. Incredible. Above my expectations. Maybe that's because I didn't expect too much? I tried not to overhype it and get too excited about it. I knew what the basic storyline would be and never tried to imagine what my ending of the TV-series would look like. All I wanted and needed was an ending to the series. Because it is my favorite series after all. Spoiler: I liked the plot of the movie. I liked how they resolved many of the unanswered questions left from the tv-series. It certainly wasn't what I expected. I would've wanted to see more of Dante, though. Her last appearance in the series just left one wondering what happened to her. And we had many theories about her disappearance. A lot of people believed she still was alive, and so did I. It really seemed like an "uh-oh... she's coming back for revenge later on!"-thing. But she never did. And I liked her as a character. But it's true as you say, her storyline was indeed finished. But I just felt like we needed a little closure on her storyline. We never saw Gluttony eat her, but we saw Envy bite Hohenheim. I was satisfied with Hohenheim's role in the movie too. We didn't really need more than he gave us. Although, he could've given Ed some advice about life and the worlds and alchemy or something, before he left. I think that they brought history into the anime in a good way. The rebellion in the movie was called The Beer Hall Putsch in real life. The same way as they did at the end of the TV-series, with the zeppelins and stuff. And I agree that a big part of the theme of the movie was about racism. But then again, so was the TV-series. Remember Ishbal (let's not get into a discussion on how to spell it, please.)? The people of Ishbal with brown skin and red eyes, who were treated like animals and left poor on their own? Scar's long-lasting hunt for equality ("they killed my brother, so now I'm going to kill them!")? And then Ed and Al learning that people of different skin color aren't different on the inside. I think this played a big part in the TV-series too, although not in a lot of episodes. But I did not like seeing Hughes as a Nazi. First, in the series, we lose him and everything's really tragic and the next time we see him, he's a Nazi? That wasn't much fun. It's a good thing he turned good again (or did he?) at the end. And about the ending... it didn't leave me angry like most of you guys. It left me releaved. And satisfied. It was the ending we really needed. The TV-series ended with the brothers still looking for each other, the movie ended with the brothers finding each other. It was a happy ending (if we just disregard Winry not joining the brothers). It's just sad that they have to live in this world. Our world. 'Cause several years later, Hitler rose to power and ruled Nazi-Germany with his ironed moustache. I wonder what happened to Ed and Al at that time. If they decided not to get involved in our world's problems, I mean. Maybe they went to Tibet and learned some martial arts and became Batmen or something. Naah, that would suck even more. All in all, I was very pleased with the movie. I liked it a lot and it makes me want to rewatch the TV-series again. I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but the movie was really good. It's not the details that are important. Who really cares if automail-reinsertion hurts or not? That's not what makes a movie bad. Fans should be less fanatic and more accepting of what they are fans of. And not be hung up on details. This movie gave me closure. Finally, I can rest in peace, knowing that everything turned out alright. Why can't you?

2005-12-31, 03:47	Link #172
neoko Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Auuustraaalia	How about we all just go read the manga and enjoy the real full metal alchemist plot. FMA was an awesome series, but the ending just left me loosing faith in anime. I think i might watch the movie for the action.

2005-12-31, 06:09	Link #174
Sonhex Not dead. Yet. Graphic Designer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK	A second season is unlikely, Bones have moved on from FMA being their current love (that honour goes to the awesome Eureka 7). However another movie, OAV or Special is possible. Specials are popular and a good way to sell dvds. I certainly would not like to see a series of FMA set after the end of the movie with Ed & Al battling Nazis, that would just be silly...

2006-01-01, 23:35	Link #177
Shigan Forever a Journey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Close to the northpole	Uh...you might want to fix those spoiler tags XD

2006-01-02, 09:56	Link #179
AoiMidori Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Malaysia	watched the movie a long time ago.. er.. now i can't really remember bits of it.. it's really great that movie! but the slight drawback was there was so little Royai in the movie!

2006-01-03, 00:27	Link #180
ZippyDSM Incoherance is my friend! Join Date: Dec 2005	I realy liked how they did this altho winry seemd to paly a smaller part altho soemtimes they do forget her when they can L ,and if theres one connection to the worlds there are others simplely becuse alchemy is in one world and will always be thus connecting them. if they follow the mnaga for the next sreis if theres a next series it shouldnt be to bad,remember moives rarely count in a story line L I hope if they make another one its as good as this ^^ need to get the dvd when it coems out!! Last edited by ZippyDSM; 2006-01-03 at 00:39.