2012-09-14, 19:58 | Link #21 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
The only probability would be if there was some sort of problem that changes with scale that can't be mesured in a lab as the scale needed is too large? Planetary scale?
There have been times when a generally accepted scientific model has been proven wrong because the science of the time lacked a piece of data they could not observe. Or a force observed was actaully the counterforce to something else they had not considered. I recall someone suggesting that gravity was related to the amount as atmosphere a planet had, or that is was a centripital force pushing down on things rather than pulling down on things. I don't recall the entire argument presently. It was the sort of science one would get if you decided to not take Newton and such at their word and looked at things backwards to see currect scientists have missed something because they are too locked into old theories.
__________________
|
2012-09-14, 20:10 | Link #22 |
うるとらぺど
Join Date: Oct 2004
Age: 44
|
All these reeks of the Segway Hype
Lots of hyperbole, but lacks of substance. If there is any at all. And those hyperlinks are all internal. You need external links to creditable sources if you want the research to be taken seriously. Like some sort of article in Science, even a slight mention, will be suffice. Last edited by MakubeX2; 2012-09-14 at 20:24. |
2012-09-14, 20:15 | Link #23 | ||
Kurumada's lost child
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
Quote:
It is one of the weakest forces in the universe and its origins are unknown. Membrane theory claims that is a product of the 11th dimension, which is one of the principal reasons why quantum physicists are employing the Hadron Collider in order to prove the existence of the Higgs boson, which is supposed to confirm that all matter originates from that particle. Apparently, the evidence seems to point out the existance of this "God particle", which is why I remain highly skeptical of Keshe's claims in regards to gravity and mass. The problem is whether his research is compatible with the current developments. String and membrane theories encountered the same problem, as both theories were initially incompatible with each other but ultimately proved to be able to coexist in Quantum Mechanics and Special Relativity equations. Quote:
When a person discovers something that challenges the establishment he is bound to encounter serious push back. As I already posted before, the Kesh foundation received a surprise inspection from the Belgian government under the claim of nuclear threat and confiscated a lot of their materials, as well as denying them a license to publicly demonstrate their technology.
__________________
Last edited by Sugetsu; 2012-09-14 at 20:37. |
||
2012-09-14, 20:29 | Link #24 |
Knight Errant
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Age: 36
|
Gravity doesn't work that way.
If you do the Math, there isn't really any alternative explanations. Also, experiments have been done to measure gravity. In labs they have held objects close together and measured the negligible gravitational force between them. If you read the physics most of it makes sense. It's only when you go into quantum physics and relativity that things get very hard. But Newtonian mechanics, which is right 99% of the time, is readily understandable, and will conform to your own everyday experiences. It's quite elegant. If you want to build your understanding of physics I'd ignore Quantum physics and relativity, those two are irrelevant for most of what you see around you (even if they might seem to be in the news quite often). And unlike what Keshe is proposing here, quantum and relativity were not complete revolutions from Newtonian physics. They're more like extensions, solving inconsistencies between predictions based on Newtonian mechanics and observations in reality. But to proceed you need to learn the foundational stuff. Force, mass, acceleration, heat transfer, and all that everyday stuff. It may not seem as glamorous as quarks and gluons, but I think it's much more interesting, due to it's relatability to real life. |
2012-09-14, 20:37 | Link #25 |
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
Join Date: Jan 2009
|
This sounds similar actually to another theory being proposed..subquantum kinetics and electrogravitics..I've yet to actually see solid science-based counter argument from the conventional physics side rather than just lambasting the theories as crap.
I would love to see a proper scientifc debate over this. google scholar search results are very one sided unfortunately
__________________
|
2012-09-14, 20:49 | Link #26 | |
うるとらぺど
Join Date: Oct 2004
Age: 44
|
Quote:
|
|
2012-09-14, 21:14 | Link #29 | ||
Kurumada's lost child
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
I think I found something significant by an external source. The source is PES Network, inc,
Quote:
Here is the article I found on the Keshe foundation. Pay special attention the comments section of the article; they seem quite skeptical of it: http://pesn.com/2012/07/13/9602134_K...r_world_peace/ Quote:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation ----- But the following news is really quite interesting. Remember the news when Iran captured a US spy drone flying over its territory without damaging it? Well apparently Iran employed Kesh technology to accomplish to the task.
__________________
|
||
2012-09-14, 22:10 | Link #30 |
Flower
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Somewhere in Asia
|
travel from Tehran to New York will be about 10 minutes? arcording to Google Maps Distance Calculator, the distance is about 9867.187 km, which mean that unless they teleport, whatever use to travel will travel at about 16445 m/s or 59202 km/h, is that even possible without killing everyone inside or friction tearing the thing apart? 0_o, and how the hell are they going to decelerate?
|
2012-09-14, 22:48 | Link #32 | |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 35
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2012-09-14, 23:24 | Link #34 | |
Kurumada's lost child
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2012-09-14, 23:30 | Link #35 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
I recall claims of wormholes being developed to make the large nuclear assets unneeded between the larger powers, as they could open one up from Washington to Moscow and deliver a much smaller nuclear package directly to Putin's office desk.
It isn't as easy with other powers nor terrorists as the coordinate system needed was extremely complex or something and couldn't be done on the fly to say Anywhere, Iran for instance or up the street a ways and down a kilometer to the bunker. It just wasn't that good that quickly. It is all speculative fiction anyway.
__________________
|
2012-09-14, 23:40 | Link #36 | |
The Opened Ultimate Gate
Join Date: Dec 2011
Age: 30
|
it say "flight" though
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2012-09-15, 01:53 | Link #39 | |
tl;dr
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 32
|
Quote:
Stop. By all means go back to reading CERN publications, but don't use the simplified science you read about on CNN to justify giving Keshe the benefit of the doubt. I am very sure that Don does understand gravity better than Keshe does, because my 10-year-old sister understands gravity better than Keshe does. If I had a dog, my dog would understand gravity better than Keshe does, because the dog would understand how a baseball flies when thrown. There's a lot of unanswered questions about the fundamental mechanics of gravity, but the phenomenon itself is understood extremely well. You may not know exactly how your car works, but you know that if you pull on the steering wheel your car won't start flying. By claiming that electromagnetism can produce gravity, he's basically claiming that a ground car can fly. He's claiming that if you rub your hands together, a genie will appear. Quite simply, it doesn't work like that. I challenge you to find me anybody who has taken an introductory college physics course who buys this video. He bullshits on such a fundamental level that it's hardly worth pointing out the errors. The errors are "everything!" There is no reason to give Keshe any benefit of the doubt. It's a scam. A hoax. A sham. Snake oil. I am not 100% confident that the Big Bang happened, but I'm 100% confident that Keshe doesn't know shit about science.
__________________
|
|
|
|