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View Poll Results: Sword Art Online - Episode 22 Rating | |||
10 out of 10 : Near Perfect... | 71 | 47.97% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 39 | 26.35% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 18 | 12.16% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 9 | 6.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 2 | 1.35% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 3 | 2.03% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 2 | 1.35% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.68% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 2 | 1.35% | |
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2012-12-02, 19:59 | Link #241 |
Goat Herder
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The problem with trying to use a different character for Suguha's role in Kirito's quest, one who isn't completely new, is that those characters would have to be from Sword Art Online.
None of which, if Sugou's taunting was any indication, would be all that interested in getting into another game like SAO only 2 months after the ordeal. Suguha has a good reason for being in the game to help and having enough playtime to be of any use to Kirito skills-wise. The only others who would be at the same level are Agil, Klein, and Asuna. None of which are available, it would seem.
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2012-12-02, 20:00 | Link #242 | |||
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There's more than one story being told here in case you haven't realized it. Yup, Nanoha series all over again, nothing but the favorite pairing matters. Quote:
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2012-12-02, 20:04 | Link #243 | |
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Because Kawhara Reki, not Makender, picked up the pen and wrote SAO, and as far as Kawahara Reki is concerned, the story of the SAO series is not solely about Kirito. |
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2012-12-02, 20:09 | Link #244 | |
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Whether each person thinks the split perspective and multiple concurrent story thing is well-done or not... to me that's a separate discussion. As has been mentioned, this is perhaps a bit harder to follow than it would be -- for example -- in a book, because the anime is almost obsessively following a "show don't tell" principle, and rarely uses internal monologue except when absolutely necessary. So you could almost assume that the story is following "the camera operator's perspective", but the camera is still following those three people.
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2012-12-02, 20:10 | Link #245 |
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It's a basic and obvious assumption that the world doesn't revolve around two people. You don't have to throw in a bunch of different focuses to show that. The point of telling a story is to focus on some character and little side stories that develop solely on those characters show that there are things going on in the world, but those things serve the writers point in developing a certain character. Would you like it if suddenly in the story they enter into a filler arc to focus on some new anime specific character while Kirito has to deal with Asuna and Sugu? Why don't we throw in a nuclear attack on Japan that Kirito has to deal with too? That'll really show that the world is out there.
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2012-12-02, 20:11 | Link #246 | ||
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All of this has been thematically consistent with the way the show has built up its narrative regarding VMMORPG's and their social aspect. Kirito saving Asuna is not the main goal of the story, that is the character Kirito's main goal (Who again isn't even the main perspective of the arc). Moreover, until this very last scene Kriito has been intently focused on his quest to save Asuna. He used Lyfa to help him get to the place he needed to be. Without her Kirito could not have learned about the game that fast. So in reality, she has not been a diversion to Kirito's goal and her character is definitely not a diversion to the story's narrative. Whether you like it or not, once more, is entirely up to you. Quote:
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2012-12-02, 20:11 | Link #247 | |
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2012-12-02, 20:14 | Link #248 | |
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So then you change the point of the ALO arc to give the character development to Kirito and Asuna. Very simple.
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2012-12-02, 20:18 | Link #249 | ||
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The world... The story world, exist only as far as the author putting focus on them. If all those other people and things serve only for Kirito and Asuna, then yes within the context of that story- the world does revolve around two people. Quote:
Except Suguha's plot line was set up from the beginning so your point is moot, plus it runs parallel to Kirito's story so it doesn't derail the progression of the story unlike your examples. Why can't your focus on some other characters include her?
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2012-12-02, 20:19 | Link #250 | ||
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So again. I will move on from this pointless debate and this was my last post regarding this topic. |
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Also, 'wasted many episodes' ? Either that means that it has a lot of focus that would make it a MAIN PLOT, or you're seriously exaggerating.
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2012-12-02, 20:28 | Link #253 |
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Not that I want to degrade this thread even further but my curiosity must be sated. How have so many people come to the conclusion that Suguha's issues are the main focus of this arc? I was under the impression that rescuing Asuna was.
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2012-12-02, 20:31 | Link #255 |
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From a conflict perspective in the overall story, the main goal is to save Asuna. However the main character development, internal struggles, and drama have been stemming from Suguha's character. She's clearly been given a large focus since the beginning of the ALO arc, and in fact much of the story's POV has actually been seen more from Suguha's perspective than Kirito's.
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2012-12-02, 20:31 | Link #256 | ||
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2012-12-02, 20:34 | Link #257 |
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I think we should all keep in mind that the arc isn't over, and we've yet to see how this revelation of Suguha's is going to play out after the confrontation in the bedroom. I think only then we can really judge its relevance to the plot. The SAO arc had many little details that tied the plot together at the end and I have no doubt ALO's arc will have the same.
On a personal standpoint I like how Suguha's plot ties into Kirito and Asuna's views on the world in comparison to Sugou's views on it.
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2012-12-02, 20:42 | Link #258 | ||
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Firstly, there's only so many stories you can tell using two people before it starts to get stale. Secondly, focusing on different characters allows you to explore options that your first two characters might not have access to. And lastly, not everybody might like your main characters. Which is why you have multiple characters to draw in more people (and I don't mean just fanservice) and if people really like those other characters, they would want more focus on them as well. Quote:
Seriously, what more do you need from Kirito and Asuna in this story arc?
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2012-12-02, 20:42 | Link #259 |
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"The show could have done X instead of Y", doesn't really hold up too well, because you can say that about literally anything.
Suguha's story could be chopped off to make more room for the development of Kirito and Asuna. You could have had Asuna wake up after SAO, and have ALO be about them going to school together and having fun together in game. They both could have died at the end of SAO, and that would be the end of that. Maybe some people are interested in seeing those stories instead. That's fine. But the story we're watching now is what it is, so judge it based on that, not what it isn't. Alternatively there's always the route of writing / read fanfiction if you think the story should do something else. =P
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