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View Poll Results: Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 4 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 24 | 26.09% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 42.39% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 19 | 20.65% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 7.61% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.26% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll |
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2013-04-29, 08:17 | Link #81 |
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Yes, there are individuals, but the questions remains: Would these individuals be the majority or the minority? Anyway, at first glance, would you look at the Hideauze and think "Hmm, obviously the Alliance is the aggressor here and the giant aliens with more teeth than the Osmond family that eat people alive aren't".
Doesn't help that in anime Beauty = Goodness a lot of the time. Notice that Amy and the other Gargantian girls are cute and attractive in a wholesome way while Rackage looks like a Sadomasochist wearing garish make-up....and apparently, according to some sites, she's only 19!? Even Ledo, who's shown to have a conscience, is remarkably bruise-free and handsome despite being soldier who undergoes craploads of stress and fighting daily.
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2013-04-29, 09:05 | Link #82 |
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In the scheme of Giant Space Thingies, the Hideauze are not exceptionally ugly, being giant space flowers (or giant space starfish) and giant space snails.
Ledo being good-looking: It would appear that the bad-looking clones are obviously defective and removed early, and that the nature of the fighting means that the pilot comes back generally whole, or is snail food. There are bits of free thought in Alliance society, though... Ledo's commanding officer did "violate regulations" by sacrificing himself so that lower-ranked Ledo could live. However, that same CO tried to talk Ledo out of going back to save the crew on the Giant Bomb when the Hideauze were eating it. |
2013-04-29, 09:15 | Link #83 | |
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1) The series has not said anything about anyone being eliminated in Ledo's society because of their looks. He only said those who are not useful (the sickly and handicapped) are removed 2) We don't yet know if clones are involved, this is of course just a theory (although it is a viable one).
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2013-04-29, 09:29 | Link #85 | |
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Gargantia is sort of like the Galactic Alliance, but on a different scale. If they wanted to beat space monsters, they had to team up. If independent ships wanted to survive the harshness of the sea, they had to merge into fleets. |
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2013-04-29, 10:16 | Link #87 | |
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At any rate Endless Knackwurst's avatar reminds us that there are anime where the insectoid aliens aren't necessarily evil.
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2013-04-29, 10:26 | Link #88 | |
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Right as a perfect example I don't think the pirate queen was supposed to be ugly (although I personally was not a big fan of her character design, I am sure many others appreciated it). Her henchman were kind of ugly though. As for the flower aliens, somehow they remind me of the aliens in Macross Frontier so I am also not expecting them to be evil. I am not even necessarily expecting Avalon to be evil, maybe misguided would be a better term.
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2013-04-29, 11:10 | Link #89 |
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Sorry, I didn't mean ugly so much as....skimpy. Notice this: Heroes tend to be dressed or look good in a sensible and wholesome way: Ledo dresses in an all black bodysuit with a sleeveless blue undershirt while Amy is dressed in a practical orange cloth considering her job as a courier. Meanwhile Lady Rackage is dressed in a weird open Kimono thing with odd looking make-up and headwear and her slave girls are wearing rags and collars:/
Both are attractive, but the latter looks "depraved" in a way.
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2013-04-29, 11:25 | Link #90 | |
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2013-04-29, 11:30 | Link #91 |
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They might have gone a little over the top with the pirate character design and costuming...
Some comments on RandomC reminded me about what had been mentioned regarding the series's overall theme, of becoming an adult and feeling lonely going out into the big world for the first time. Looking at the analogy directly, the Alliance is Ledo's parents, telling him what to do, providing his basic needs, and melting him into goo if he did the wrong thing. Ledo's limited viewpoint and experience make it difficult for him to understand his old way of life beyond what he was told. The limited viewpoint also means that I personally can't say much about the Alliance with regard to good/evil/ethics/fighting an extermination war against giant space thingies; from the Western contemporary perspective of most viewers, I wouldn't want to live like that, but there is much we don't know. |
2013-04-29, 11:53 | Link #92 | |
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Though I guess this doesn't matter either way since the Hideauze aren't human and they follow other tropes completely.
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2013-04-29, 12:01 | Link #93 | |
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Well, fact is Gargantia is growing bigger, and a bigger society needs things like contracts, more rules, and so on and so forth. When population gets big enough, chaos needs to be ordered to a certain degree. |
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2013-04-29, 13:32 | Link #94 | |
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2013-04-29, 14:11 | Link #95 | |
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Also the alliance definitely gives off some serious Starship Troopers movie edition vibes. I can't help but suspect at least some inspiration was drawn from that movie with the space flowers filling a similar role to the bugs and the alliance being the Federation. |
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2013-04-29, 16:32 | Link #96 | |
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Yes they were attacking the humans but we don't know who attacked first. As it goes I wouldn't completely trust everything said by Avalon.
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2013-04-29, 16:36 | Link #97 |
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This episode goes deeper in the difference between the Ledo`s life in the Gallactic Alliance and Gargantia.
Both sides have the good and bad points and the Gargantians`unability to see outside of the "status quo" is showned further. I wonder if they even try to develop new tech... The very notion of change and innovation seems lost to them. Ledo is honest to a fault and it`s show as both a good and bad thing. He`s curious about everything and is working to learn to speak the native, which is the complete opposite to the Gargantians who don`t give a damn about his culture or language(Come one Amy, you could at least learn a few words to encourage him... I know I would.) with Bebel being the exception. Seeing how hard Ledo`s trying to find a way home, I guess he`s a little homesick.
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2013-04-29, 16:39 | Link #98 |
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I don't think Ledo is homesick per say, after all according to the first episode he's never even been home.
However being a soldier and fighting in the war are all he knew. They were his purpose. Now he is in this strange world where he doesn't understand anything and he feels useless. At this point he wants to get back because it gives him a purpose.
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2013-04-29, 16:50 | Link #99 | |
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Maybe someone has a better word of it, I can`t think of a better word and it`s annoying me. His lack of interest in going to Avalon was probably for the same reason.
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2013-04-29, 16:54 | Link #100 | |
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It's like if you're out in the wild and all the fruit trees had tigers hanging around them. Your only choice is to fight the tiger off in order to get the fruit. |
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