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Naruto receiving help is irrelevant. He didn't received that help because he needed it. He received it because his whole motto is "team-work" (and quite often those others are merely a hindarance to him). You also seem to be forgetting how often sasuke received help from those around him. He was literally about to die from Mizukages acid (even susano was melting) until zetsu and tobi rescued him. Or Sasuke/Itachi's fight with Kabuto. Sasuke was utterley bewildered as how to fight kabuto. If Itachi wasn't there sasuke would have been Kabuto's sex slave. The other point is that you misunderstand what I was saying. I was not saying Naruto has always been stronger than Sasuke. Im saying at this point in time, Naruto is stronger than Sasuke. The manga has been going on for years and years, and throughout it was pretty obvious that there was a cycling of Sasuke and Naruto's progress ahead of each other. They were receiving power ups at different times and were constantly overtaking each other. In pre-chuunin days, Sasuke was stronger than naruto. Then under Jiraya's guidance, naruto overtakes sasuke and saves him from Gaara. Then under orochimaru, sasuke progresses to cursed mark lvl 2 , draws even with naruto again (and they fight to a stalemate) Rinse repeat over and over While at some points in the manga, it was often unclear as to who was the stronger, this ambiguity was resolved after the huge powerups, and it was pretty clear who would win in a fight. Sasuke unlocking his MS and later getting EMS were a huge leap in power for him and Naruto was clearly weaker than him for a lot of that time. Even Naruto's sage mode would have been inferior to MS and would have arguably lost. But now Naruto's progress combined with him finally gaining the trust and willing tactical assistance of the Kyuubi has taken him to a whole different level. Naruto would utterly obliterate Sasuke if they fought right now. And as others have pointed out, hes shortly due to get another power up from his dad. So yes, at this point in time, I do think Naruto is much stronger than Sasuke. |
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2013-05-01, 00:03 | Link #62 | |
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Off topic, but seriously no chapter this week (April 28 - May 4)? There was a chapter last week, where absolutely nothing happened, literally nothing, and the week before that was no chapter... I mean... come on... |
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2013-05-01, 11:37 | Link #67 | |
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Chiyo and Sakura saved him from Itachi's Genjutsu, Kakashi, Yamato, his dad, his mother and Killer Bee saved him from the Kyubi, Kakashi saved him from Deidara, Kakashi and Yamato saved him from Kakuzu, his clones managed well against the two Edo-Kage instead of being instantly defeated because they were saved by Gaara and Dodai. Gai, Kakashi and Bee saved him several times against Obito, Gai saved him from Madara, Ino, Bee, Neji and Hinata saved him from the Juubi. All those instance save for the first would have seen Naruto dead if not for the help he received. edit : And while Naruto did fight the 6 paths he didn't fight them at the same time, fortunately the most dangerous path was on cooldown because he had leveled Konoha before Naruto got there. Last edited by Hunter; 2013-05-01 at 11:53. |
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2013-05-01, 11:42 | Link #68 |
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He did fight all six paths, but you were right on most accounts. Pain indeed wasted a lot of chakra fighting the whole of Konoha and leveling it to the ground. Plus Pain's secrets were handed to Naruto. Had he been in Jiraiya's place, I'm not so sure he would have fought so well.
Not to mention that Naruto actually gave up during the fight and succumbed to the Kyuubi's hatred.
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2013-05-01, 12:12 | Link #69 | |
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Naruto never fought all 6 simultaneously as Jiraiya did; there was always one or more conveniently missing elements in Pein's perfect teamwork setup. Pein was also intending to kill Jiraiya, not Naruto. Last edited by Midnight Commander; 2013-05-01 at 12:27. |
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2013-05-01, 13:00 | Link #70 | |
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As a side question, does anyone know what Naruto's situation is now with his vulnerability to Genjutsu? Now that hes working with Kyuubi so nicely, is he immune to genjutsu? since kyuubi can simply snap him back into reality? I remember Bee saying something about cooperating with a bijuu allows it to "disturb your chakra" so that you can get released from the genjutsu. |
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2013-05-01, 13:08 | Link #71 |
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Why are u guys even arguing about the comparison in battles? Its about a point that has to be made.
Revenge is bad (Sasuke found out the truth and suffered greatly because of it) With help you can accomplish alot more (Taka and Hebi.. because if Sasuke was alone he'd definetly would've been killed by Killerbee for example... Naruto wins most of the times with help) Even though Sasuke intends to end the war and to protect the village it doesnt mean a teamwork like before is gonna happen. May i remind u of the all time famous series of Dragonball Z. Goku (Naruto) and Vegeta (Sasuke) who have fought many times against a common foe but only nearing the end of the series as a true team. Vegeta eventually wanted to protect the earth. He lived on it. But at the same time when his ambition for more power came close (Majin) he didnt seem to care. Who knows... Sasuke may follow in the same pattern as soon as the Uchiha Clan or Itachi gets involved in future events. Madara being the final opponent? Yes... possible.. but what if he or someone else happens to summon the son of (with the doujutsu and ancester of the Uchiha) the Rikkodou Senin? The series can end quickly... but they can still stretch much longer.
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2013-05-01, 13:56 | Link #72 |
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It's been quite a while but there was a time when you did the very same, and quite regularly. Nearly every few posts of yours was essentially a complaint, displaying a power-up list comparing Naruto and Sasuke, and arguing your dissatisfaction with how Naruto looked in comparison to Sasuke in power, as well as their battles. There were also usually complaints about why such a noticable difference in power had to exist, but now since the difference in power is apparently in Naruto's favor I guess its existence is a non-issue : /
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2013-05-01, 15:06 | Link #73 |
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I agree with most of what you said Cookie-Monster regarding Naruto/Sasuke leap frogging each other in power throughout the series.
What I don't agree with is him being so much more powerful then Sasuke that Sasuke needs another power up. Sasuke's ems hasn't been showcased 1 time, while Naruto's new powers have pretty much dominated the manga recently. So instead of assuming to know Sasuke's ems, let's focus on Naruto seeing we have a body of work to work with. I can't see current Naruto fairing significantly better against the 5 kage than ms sasuke did, I also don't see current Naruto steam rolling danzo given the same situation ms sasuke had fighting him. The point im trying to make is this, we know what current Naruto can do very well...and although he is obviously stronger then ms sasuke, i think ms sasuke still has the tools to give current naruto a fight without being completely obliterated. Now that sasuke has ems, he has become even stronger...so im not inclined to believe the difference in their current power is vast or even very noticeable.. If the manga spent the pasy year or however long it's been putting sasuke's ems on the fore front, and keeping naruto's new power on the shelves...everyone right now would be saying naruto needs a power up to compete against sasuke. And we aren't really arguing, just having a conversation Mr. Johnny 5. |
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2013-05-01, 15:34 | Link #75 | |
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i wager that if he had faced all 6 from jumped he would have killed 4 for certain maaaaybe a fifth one. revival pain would've been dead for sure along with android, and summon dude...he got blind-sided, which is why it was more or less an instant kill
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I think you are vastly underestimating just how powerful Kishimoto has made Naruto (and Sasuke). |
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The one great advantage for Naruto in this matchup is his ungodly stamina, contrarily to Sasuke at the time he'd not have much problem fighting at full power for more than 10 minutes and while he has no Genjutsu to trick Danzou I'm sure Kage Bunshin can do the job just fine. As far as Shisui eye go however there is no real answer. |
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