2013-05-23, 20:50 | Link #161 | |
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Also, there's no war between Sasuke's group and the samurais. The event was simply "Sasuke crashing the meeting for his personal revenge purpose" while the samurais fought and guarding the place (from Sasuke) like any good guard does.
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2013-05-23, 21:58 | Link #162 |
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I don't know if I feel power trolled or just hyper-aware this is a cartoon story written for pre-pubecent boys.
But maybe kishi is just rushing things since he just wants to be done with the "naruto" story and move onto something else. Or at least will throw a twist in there somewhere later on for godsake...
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2013-05-23, 23:28 | Link #163 |
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i dont get the comments about kishi rushing things. this war has been going on FOREVER. think of how long just edo-madara has been around. then we had a couple very long flashbacks involving obito and madara and hashirama. i think people are confusing significant events occurring with a fast pace. it's true that this is the end though, so the frequency of significant events is bound to increase regardless of pacing
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2013-05-23, 23:43 | Link #164 | |
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2013-05-24, 00:04 | Link #165 | ||
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In regards to this being a fighting shounen series, I'm always surprised (and amused) by how many fans come out the woodwork when there is but a hint of romance between the characters. We had quite an entertaining weekly thread back when Naruto merely held Hinata's hand. With all the enthusiasm over that, you'd almost think it was a blatant sex scene if you didn't read the chapter yet. I saw members post then that I probably haven't seen post in months. Quote:
Its similar to watching Death Note for fight scenes and complaining about the author not taking them seriously enough. They're present here and there, but if you're really looking for fighting, Death Note probably wouldn't be an ideal choice. Anyway, to each their own, but we are talking about getting worked up over romance scenarios between ~15/16 years olds here (not saying you in particular). That would've been great; there are several people I would've loved to see more of in this story. Furthermore, I also think it would have been better to have had Naruto and Sasuke “bump heads” more than they did throughout the story, like when Sasuke fought Kakashi. It would've been a very good, competitive fight had they fought around the time Sasuke just left Orochimaru. |
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2013-05-24, 01:21 | Link #166 |
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haha yea that's true of course. i guess it depends on how you want to look at things. time to us or time to the characters. sasuke has certainly undergone way too massive changes over too short a period of time in relation to the characters. i wasn't responding to that sentiment since i agree with it. maybe i was jumping to conclusions about what people meant as far as kishi rushing things. anyhoo, if some people meant that the current few chapters have been too many crazy things at once then i disagree. i think the past few chapters have started summing things up nicely
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2013-05-24, 01:40 | Link #168 |
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I've never posted in this section before but I've been keeping up with this series for a while now and let me say this chapter was a big F u to the fans who've been reading since chapter 1. What the heck is up with Sasuke?? Oh we all know Kishi loves the man, why did he make a series about Naruto in the first place? He could have had it been about his man crush Sasuke UGH!! Lets not forget the big screw you to Hinata, the woman whos been by his side since the start and has tried to help him the entire War, no he'd rather get with the woman who he knows whos been in love with Sasuke since whoever the heck knows for who knows why.
Now, if NarutoxHinata happens it will be like shes his second choice cuz he couldn't get with Sakura, I feel sorry for the girl. Kishi just doesn't know how to write romance at all, SakuraxNaruto came out of no where. Whats with Sakura coming out of the blue and being powerful??? I always thought Kishi hated her this entire time, he'd forget about her and hasn't used her till now. I'd understand if he did things with her the entire War and let her train more to become this but what the heck?? Seriously?? I'm sorry, right now I don't know if I can even continue with this series any more.
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2013-05-24, 07:17 | Link #170 | |
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i don't have anything against sakura though, it's kishi who murdered her character and if she does something useful and worthwhile this time around then i'd say it's long overdue. but i don't expect much. i have long accepted the fact that the female characters in this series take a back seat to the males. i guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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2013-05-24, 09:00 | Link #174 | |
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while chasing gaara, sakura mentions they have half a year left before orochimaru attempts to take sasukes body. then she moves on to fight sasori(2005). sasuke overpowers orochimaru, the half year later, in 2007. (roughly 18 months our time since the sasori fight.) from here it gets too complex but my breakdown goes as follows, keeping in mind that while the volumes are presented to us in succession, a lot of the events were taking place at roughly the same time: sasuke vs deidara AND jiraiya vs pain - Fall 2007 sasuke vs itachi sasuke with tobi AND news of jiraiyas death/naruto sage training taka vs bee AND pain invasion pain vs naruto gokage summit sasuke vs danzo tutle island AND naruto birth flashbacks AND naruto fox training war begins April 2011 (team asuma, edo kages, obito flashbacks etc) to May 2013. 6 long years since sasuke vs deidara adding that first half year i mentioned, it could not have been more than what 7-9months from sasori to badass hokages in manga time right?...i really have no idea ur right though. it feels long overdue cuz we had to wait those 6 years i suppose...
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2013-05-24, 09:16 | Link #175 | |
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I don't care about her not killing Sasuke. I was dissapointed by how "not-ninja" these ninjas are too many times. Not being able to kill Sasuke...I had no expectations at that point, you know. As I said in a previous post, I never hated her until now. She was just background. Also, all I want is Naruto and Hinata. I would rage if Naruto actually ends up with Sakura, so I don't really understand your underlying reason. Hell, Sakura falling for Naruto now that Sasuke is finally back, would be an even bigger ..afda.fgsgh.... |
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2013-05-24, 10:36 | Link #176 |
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I don't get it. Is he drunk when he writes this crap? Does he have several moronic plotlines scrawled on the floor, cut a chicken's head off and goes with the one closest to where the chicken dies? I mean we just went back about 600 chapters in a few pages. Kishi just activated the full retard gear.
For those of you complaining about the Sakura and Naruto "moment", if you can even call it that, it's perfectly understandable that Naruto goes back to "I love Sakura mode"; like most victims of domestic violence, he has difficulty freeing himself from the abusive partner and constantly makes up excuses for her behavior. If Naruto actually listened to my advice, he'd ditch Sakura (violent bipolar girl) and Hinata (neurotic obssessive stalker girl) and shack up with Mei ( hot redhead girl). I think she's looking for a boytoy. |
2013-05-24, 11:25 | Link #178 | |
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The author didn't take away from Naruto to throw a bone to Sasuke, he did just the opposite. He finished off Sasuke as an independent character to put him back into Naruto's narrative and effectively set him up for failure at the hand of Naruto. It'll never make sense then because that would mean Naruto couldn't change the mistakes of the past and this can't happen because Naruto cannot fail. |
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2013-05-24, 14:33 | Link #179 | |
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-He killed Danzo. -He basically said "I got off on it" to Kakashi & Co under the bridge -He almost kills Karin and doesnt give a <bleep> -He would've killed Sakura -He tries killing Kakashi -He chops Raikages arm off (but basically also tries to kill him) -He tries to kill the marriage-crazed Mizu-kage -Does he try to kill Naruto? I forget. Oh and yes... after his encounter with edo-tensei Itachi, he reaffirms his beliefs and goals even after Itachi's final plea. After all that, he's going to change because he heard Shodai's story? I call BS. It's more like Sasuke realized: You can't kill an idea. So he will play the good guy, then turn on them at the worst possible time to crush their spirit. You know, break them from the inside out.
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2013-05-24, 19:57 | Link #180 | |
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The first thing I need to address is that Sasuke's action may be considered evil (they are certainly bad, but good people also may commit bad actions) but these evil acts were done in the journey for him to get the truth. After killing Itachi, Sasuke has been in a conquest to finding the truth, while on that journey, he's has mini goals that were based on the current information that he had. So statements like "killing everyone in the village", and " I will enjoy kiling you" were all under the context of whatever info he had during that time. Itachi has said to naruto that Sasuke is very influencable and very naiive. This inability to have a concrete view of reality has influenced Sasuke to act and behave in patterns that we may consisder "evil" but that doesn't make Sasuke evil himself does it? If someone is influenced to do something, then some of that blame is taken away right? an example would be someone that has a chemical imbalanced kills someone, can we call that person evil, even though he didn't have the abiity to judge his own actions? I'm not really trying to get into a philosophical debate on the question of free will and evil, I'm just making a point that Sasuke may have been so naiive that he was influenced to do acts ( which may be considered evil, but can be argued otherwise since killing Danzo may have been a good thing) and somehow that this isn't his fault or that he justified enough to become eligible to become a good guy again. We've been shown that the sharingan is awakened by trauma, and is in some way the consequence of a chemical imbalance in the brain. Can Sasuke really be blamed or his "I live in the darkness" days if it is determined to be a consequence of trauma and chemical inbalances in his brain. I again want to say that his actions weren't even that bad, talking and doing are very different things..him saying that he wants to kill everyone in Konoha and him actually doing it are very different and are on different levels of what we may call evil. Him saying something doesn't even prove the full intent of his voluntary processes of doing that. Even Naruto has said some agregious things during his anger, but we never blame him for his irrational little comment that he makes somehow rarely. It is possible that after hearing the whole truth Sasuke has been permanently influenced to believe that he has to protect Itachi's ideals and, in that sense, becoming Hokage can become a legitimate response..however crazy or surprising...or unrealistic I don't see betraying them anytime soon..it could happen but if my synopsis is right, then he won't be able to be influenced to go the other way again, he has full knowledge and has accepted his new task. Though your scenario would be interesting, and is most likely a scenario more believable a few chapters back. and I may be completely wrong, and his chemical imbalances may shift into more incomprehensible patterns and he may go crazy for coco puff and betray naruto. (sigh) lol it is really hard to try to understand crazy psycopaths, isn't it? Anyway sorry to butt in, just wanted to share a couple of my insights (not that they are any more legitimate than others of course) |
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