Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by seangel92

In Japan, They hate vol.12 or love it?

I don't understand!

It's not like there's some sort of singular "Japan opinion" about it. Overall, from what you see on places like 2ch, a repeated view seems to be that the ending is "daring" for not being what most would have predicted and following this path. There's a lot of interest in what will be printed in the short story that ships with the first Blu-Ray disc (and pre-orders for that have been way up in the last day). Some people thought it was an appropriate ending for the story, while others were disappointed that it didn't go in the direction they hoped (so, like here). Other than that, a number of people commented that it's one of those cases where the novel has one ending, but they want people to play the upcoming PS3 game for all the alternate paths. And on 2ch in particular (like 4chan), there's a lot of poking fun at the various "shipping factions" that "lost" and are devastated over the ending, some of which is "you should have seen this coming", and some is just "you're taking this way too seriously". Also, just like here, there was a lot of consternation at first when only the brief summaries were being posted (and people were jumping to conclusions), but this started calming down somewhat as people actually got the book and read it for themselves. The tone of the opinions started changing a bit after that to be a bit more balanced, and less polarized.

All in all, like I said earlier, pretty much any ending to this work was going to be somewhat controversial due to the suspense and factions that had been set-up. So in that sense, the reaction is about what you might expect.

[Wilshere]

Spoiler for Kirino's reaction:

Thats what she did when she heard Kyousuke saying that he has someone that he loves.

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

It's not like there's some sort of singular "Japan opinion" about it. Overall, from what you see on places like 2ch, a repeated view seems to be that the ending is "daring" for not being what most would have predicted and following this path. There's a lot of interest in what will be printed in the short story that ships with the first Blu-Ray disc (and pre-orders for that have been way up in the last day). Some people thought it was an appropriate ending for the story, while others were disappointed that it didn't go in the direction they hoped (so, like here). Other than that, a number of people commented that it's one of those cases where the novel has one ending, but they want people to play the upcoming PS3 game for all the alternate paths. And on 2ch in particular (like 4chan), there's a lot of poking fun at the various "shipping factions" that "lost" and are devastated over the ending, some of which is "you should have seen this coming", and some is just "you're taking this way too seriously". Also, just like here, there was a lot of consternation at first when only the brief summaries were being posted (and people were jumping to conclusions), but this started calming down somewhat as people actually got the book and read it for themselves. The tone of the opinions started changing a bit after that to be a bit more balanced, and less polarized.

All in all, like I said earlier, pretty much any ending to this work was going to be somewhat controversial due to the suspense and factions that had been set-up. So in that sense, the reaction is about what you might expect.

Though it happens in many places, and is often to be expected, I really dislike it when the "winning factions" start rubbing it in with the "losing factions". I especially hate the "you should have seen this coming" line that is followed by a whole set of "evidence" from earlier events and calling everything else red herrings, when most of this is being done ex-post. If the story had ended differently, everyone would be referring to those so-called evidence as red herrings and pronouncing all the other plausible clues for the other girl as actual evidence.

But I agree that many of us, myself included, do take things too seriously

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

Thats what she did when she heard Kyousuke saying that he has someone that he loves.

No... that's what she did when Kyousuke proposed. The text on the image says, simply, "Yes".

(That said, as I asked the other day, please don't post the collection of raws, either images or text. A low-res image here and there if it illustrates a specific discussion point may be "fair use", but in general posting raws on this site is not allowed.)

Originally Posted by frivolity

Though it happens in many places, and is often to be expected, I really dislike it when the "winning factions" start rubbing it in with the "losing factions". I especially hate the "you should have seen this coming" line that is followed by a whole set of "evidence" from earlier events, most of which are being done retroactively. If the story had ended differently, everyone would be referring to those so-called evidence as red herrings and pronouncing all the other plausible clues for the other girl as actual evidence.

Well... on the converse side, because there is evidence there to support multiple paths, I think sometimes people who support one of the "losing factions" sometimes go a bit overboard in pretending that there was absolutely no supporting evidence at all. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. There was some evidence, but it was kept deliberately vague/obscured on purpose to keep the suspense high. So saying it was "obvious" is too much, but saying it "came out of nowhere" is also too much.

But yeah, a lot of this does stem from taking things too seriously, and becoming a bit entrenched in your interpretation of the narrative.

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

No... that's what she did when Kyousuke proposed. The text on the image says, simply, "Yes".

Lol my bad,saw the tears so directly implied it,anyway this is much better hehe

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by frivolity

Though it happens in many places, and is often to be expected, I really dislike it when the "winning factions" start rubbing it in with the "losing factions". I especially hate the "you should have seen this coming" line that is followed by a whole set of "evidence" from earlier events and calling everything else red herrings, when most of this is being done ex-post. If the story had ended differently, everyone would be referring to those so-called evidence as red herrings and pronouncing all the other plausible clues for the other girl as actual evidence.

But I agree that many of us, myself included, do take things too seriously

Considering that the Kirino shippers were pretty much shot down from day 1, I can't say I'm surprised by this development. I'm just in here for the joy ride and this ending from what I know so far feels pretty bittersweet.
Based on the illustrations so far, I really want to see this volume animated.

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by finalfury

Considering that the Kirino shippers were pretty much shot down from day 1, I can't say I'm surprised by this development. I'm just in here for the joy ride and this ending from what I know so far feels pretty bittersweet.
Based on the illustrations so far, I really want to see this volume animated.

Lol, in my case I'm in a familiar position yet again. I wanted Kuroneko to win and felt that her ending made the most sense, but I sort of had the feeling that the author would go with a Kirino end anyway. Not sure if I should be happy that I ended up guessing correctly or sad that I ended up guessing correctly .

I don't really put too much weight on these evidence in rom coms since quite often it isn't the evidence that justifies the end, but the end that justifies the so-called evidence.

Hope my guess ends up wrong when it comes to BokuTomo

[Kakurin]

I skipped forward to the end (?) of chapter 2, part 8

Spoiler for Part 8 Chapter 2:

- "-------------- so, something like that also happened."
- "Ah, ah... that was an unparalleled strike."
- I was really luck to have survived this.
- "By, by, by the way! How come we are talking about such embarrassing past events!"
- "It's because you started talking about these experiences."
- Right... through talking about these experiences, we had returned to the past.
- At the apartment I once lived in, me and Ayase were standing face to face.

- ----------------It's this kind of you, that I love (like).

- I ------------- was confessed to by Ayase.
- The tears have disappeared from her eyes. Along with all kinds of embarrassing memories, the feelings also have changed.
- "Really... all kinds of experiences."
- "Ah... really mementos, although they happened only a short while ago."
- I raised my head and looked at the apartment.
- I stayed for two months in this No.201. That narrow, little room is the place where me and Ayase spent so much time together.
- Although I initially couldn't wait to move back home, when the time came, I really felt reluctant. That surely is because me and Ayase stayed there together----------
- When dating Ayase, the experience will surely be like the experiences of that time.
- "Onii-san.... please answer me."
- "Ah, ah ---- Ayase."
- "Yes"
- "I'm sorry. I, already have a person I love."

- My answer was set long ago. She must have understood that a long ago.
- "...............Idiot.............."
- Tears are continuously pouring out of Ayase's eyes, streaming down her face.
- "Idiot!"
- A heavy slap's coming!
- "O, o, onii-san you idiot!" Peng! The first one; Ayase slapped upon my chest. "Idiot, Idiot, Idiot!" Peng, peng, peng, peng, hammering on my chest, like she wants to hammer her feelings into my chest.... "Why isn't it me! You did say you want to marry me! You did sexually harass me countless times!"
- "Ayase... listen to me, I"

- "Don't make jokes, we did do H things!"

- "Wait, we never did H things, okay!"
- In this serious environment she could not resist a ridiculous joke! She absolutely said a ridiculous joke.
- But, but there's no way around it, right!? There's no way I can let that slide, right?!
- "We, we did! Please don't play dumb!"
- "No we didn't, no we didn't, no we didn't! We for sure didn't!"
- Although I sound like the most TM scum, we really didn't!
- Now there is no opportunity to insert an explenation! But please believe me!
- "I don't believe it... we really did, right....! - , Have you forgotten it...?"
- Ayase, teary and with anger rising in her eyes pierces me with her gaze.
- "Tha, that time ------------ you, you, you, you, you saw my breasts, didn't you!"
- "You mean that with H!"
- It's the experience we reminisced about just before! That's hugely confusing!
- "That was an incident, okay! It was the mischief of a naughty little kid!"
- "Just because it was an incident you think this H doesn't matter?! Please bear the responsibility!"
- "First, can you please stop describing that 'Seeing the breasts incident' as H?! What do we do if people living nearby hear that?!"
- My reputation in the neighbourhood is already in a bad shape!
- I doesn't need a 'Very H incident'!
- "Urusai, urusai, urusai! If you don't go out with me I will kill you!"
- "A, Ayase!"
- In order to bring her back to senses I raised my voice.
- Next, I dropped my voice again, and used the most serious tone I could manage, in order to convey my feelings
- "------------ That's not possible, I can't date you. It's already my definite decision."
- I'm very very happy and honoured, but my answer won't change.
- "........Eh"
- Upon hearing my words, Ayase still was a little bit angry, and created a "Hngh!" sound with her nose.
- "That's right. Replying at this time in this fashion, that's onii-san."
- She did know my answer, but still let out all her anger and conveyed her feelings to me.
- "Onii-san's a big liar, really too cunning. Only at the last moment do you utter your true feelings."
- "Ayase..."
- ".......... I already started to care about you, the first time we met."
- "................"
- "In the past I made some wrong assumptions. The onii-san of the Kirino I like the most seemed to be a very gentle person ....... if I could marry him, Kirino would be like my sister.... I once imagined such embarrassing things."
- Her cheeks turned red, while she reminisced.
- "The more I imagine, the stronger it got.... Then, I don't know how many times, did onii-san leave me disenchanted.... Afterwards, I every time started to dream again, on a new basis...."
- Looking back... since we met, far too many different kinds of things happened.
- Even though we did not meet each other all that often, the memories with Ayase are deeply ingrained in my heart.
- "Before I knew it, I had fallen deeply in love with you."
- Ayase pushed herself with all her ability and managed a bitter smile.
- "........................"
- "........................."
- The two of us at this moment only stared at each other.
- "Nah, onii-san."
- "Ahuh.... what?"
- "You have bewildered my heart, so can you please bear responsibility?"
- As I can't take responsibility by going out with her, in that moment, I didn't understand what she meant.
- "Honestly... onii-san is really slow. When we part, isn't there something we always do?"
- "Ah, oh"

- 'You hentai! Die!!!!!'

- "Haha, you mean that."
- "Yes, just like that."
- Even without explaining to everybody, you all know what is meant, right. On the one hand I felt sad, on the other hand cherishing.
- I faced her, standing tall and prepared myself.
- "Okay! Do it!"
- Use that move to kick me into the air ------------ although this still won't solve her anger ---------- If it's like in the past, tomorrow for sure, we will be able to return to the way we always were.
- "Then, I'll do it."
- Oy.... Ayase, you honestly take a running start......!
- Ayase stormed towards me.
- "---------------------"
- I closed my eyes and prepared for a violent hit. But, the next moment wasn't painful.

- Chu

- But rather like that, a gentle lip contact
- "......!"
- I touched my face and opened my eyes.
- There was a feeling like time had stopped. Although in reality perhaps only a few seconds had passed, it felt to me like an entire hour.
- Finally, Ayase slowly moved away her lips.
- Her face was completely red and tears were still accumulated in her eyes, just like that we looked at each other from a close distance.
- After giving me this violent strike, she in the end said with a smile
- "Bye, onii-san. I, detest you the most."

EDIT: That Chinese guy said Chapter 3 with Kuroneko is perhaps even sadder than the Ayase part. And, for those who have the 2nd PSP game, he said it is interesting to first look at the Kuroneko route of that game, before reading the chapter.

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I skipped forward to the end (?) of chapter 2, part 8

Spoiler for Part 8 Chapter 2:

- "-------------- so, something like that also happened."
- "Ah, ah... that was an unparalleled strike."
- I was really luck to have survived this.
- "By, by, by the way! How come we are talking about such embarrassing past events!"
- "It's because you started talking about these experiences."
- Right... through talking about these experiences, we had returned to the past.
- At the apartment I once lived in, me and Ayase were standing face to face.

- ----------------It's this kind of you, that I love (like).

- I ------------- was confessed to by Ayase.
- The tears have disappeared from her eyes. Along with all kinds of embarrassing memories, the feelings also have changed.
- "Really... all kinds of experiences."
- "Ah... really mementos, although they happened only a short while ago."
- I raised my head and looked at the apartment.
- I stayed for two months in this No.201. That narrow, little room is the place where me and Ayase spent so much time together.
- Although I initially couldn't wait to move back home, when the time came, I really felt reluctant. That surely is because me and Ayase stayed there together----------
- When dating Ayase, the experience will surely be like the experiences of that time.
- "Onii-san.... please answer me."
- "Ah, ah ---- Ayase."
- "Yes"
- "I'm sorry. I, already have a person I love."

- My answer was set long ago. She must have understood that a long ago.
- "...............Idiot.............."
- Tears are continuously pouring out of Ayase's eyes, streaming down her face.
- "Idiot!"
- A heavy slap's coming!
- "O, o, onii-san you idiot!" Peng! The first one; Ayase slapped upon my chest. "Idiot, Idiot, Idiot!" Peng, peng, peng, peng, hammering on my chest, like she wants to hammer her feelings into my chest.... "Why isn't it me! You did say you want to marry me! You did sexually harass me countless times!"
- "Ayase... listen to me, I"

- "Don't make jokes, we did do H things!"

- "Wait, we never did H things, okay!"
- In this serious environment she could not resist a ridiculous joke! She absolutely said a ridiculous joke.
- But, but there's no way around it, right!? There's no way I can let that slide, right?!
- "We, we did! Please don't play dumb!"
- "No we didn't, no we didn't, no we didn't! We for sure didn't!"
- Although I sound like the most TM scum, we really didn't!
- Now there is no opportunity to insert an explenation! But please believe me!
- "I don't believe it... we really did, right....! - , Have you forgotten it...?"
- Ayase, teary and with anger rising in her eyes pierces me with her gaze.
- "Tha, that time ------------ you, you, you, you, you saw my breasts, didn't you!"
- "You mean that with H!"
- It's the experience we reminisced about just before! That's hugely confusing!
- "That was an incident, okay! It was the mischief of a naughty little kid!"
- "Just because it was an incident you think this H doesn't matter?! Please bear the responsibility!"
- "First, can you please stop describing that 'Seeing the breasts incident' as H?! What do we do if people living nearby hear that?!"
- My reputation in the neighbourhood is already in a bad shape!
- I doesn't need a 'Very H incident'!
- "Urusai, urusai, urusai! If you don't go out with me I will kill you!"
- "A, Ayase!"
- In order to bring her back to senses I raised my voice.
- Next, I dropped my voice again, and used the most serious tone I could manage, in order to convey my feelings
- "------------ That's not possible, I can't date you. It's already my definite decision."
- I'm very very happy and honoured, but my answer won't change.
- "........Eh"
- Upon hearing my words, Ayase still was a little bit angry, and created a "Hngh!" sound with her nose.
- "That's right. Replying at this time in this fashion, that's onii-san."
- She did know my answer, but still let out all her anger and conveyed her feelings to me.
- "Onii-san's a big liar, really too cunning. Only at the last moment do you utter your true feelings."
- "Ayase..."
- ".......... I already started to care about you, the first time we met."
- "................"
- "In the past I made some wrong assumptions. The onii-san of the Kirino I like the most seemed to be a very gentle person ....... if I could marry him, Kirino would be like my sister.... I once imagined such embarrassing things."
- Her cheeks turned red, while she reminisced.
- "The more I imagine, the stronger it got.... Then, I don't know how many times, did onii-san leave me disenchanted.... Afterwards, I every time started to dream again, on a new basis...."
- Looking back... since we met, far too many different kinds of things happened.
- Even though we did not meet each other all that often, the memories with Ayase are deeply ingrained in my heart.
- "Before I knew it, I had fallen deeply in love with you."
- Ayase pushed herself with all her ability and managed a bitter smile.
- "........................"
- "........................."
- The two of us at this moment only stared at each other.
- "Nah, onii-san."
- "Ahuh.... what?"
- "You have bewildered my heart, so can you please bear responsibility?"
- As I can't take responsibility by going out with her, in that moment, I didn't understand what she meant.
- "Honestly... onii-san is really slow. When we part, isn't there something we always do?"
- "Ah, oh"

- 'You hentai! Die!!!!!'

- "Haha, you mean that."
- "Yes, just like that."
- Even without explaining to everybody, you all know what is meant, right. On the one hand I felt sad, on the other hand cherishing.
- I faced her, standing tall and prepared myself.
- "Okay! Do it!"
- Use that move to kick me into the air ------------ although this still won't solve her anger ---------- If it's like in the past, tomorrow for sure, we will be able to return to the way we always were.
- "Then, I'll do it."
- Oy.... Ayase, you honestly take a running start......!
- Ayase stormed towards me.
- "---------------------"
- I closed my eyes and prepared for a violent hit. But, the next moment wasn't painful.

- Chu

- But rather like that, a gentle lip contact
- "......!"
- I touched my face and opened my eyes.
- There was a feeling like time had stopped. Although in reality perhaps only a few seconds had passed, it felt to me like an entire hour.
- Finally, Ayase slowly moved away her lips.
- Her face was completely red and tears were still accumulated in her eyes, just like that we looked at each other from a close distance.
- After giving me this violent strike, she in the end said with a smile
- "Bye, onii-san. I, detest you the most."

Very nice indeed although I wonder what would Kirino do if Ayase confessed before Kuroneko. Again good job mate

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I skipped forward to the end (?) of chapter 2, part 8

Spoiler for Part 8 Chapter 2:

- "-------------- so, something like that also happened."
- "Ah, ah... that was an unparalleled strike."
- I was really luck to have survived this.
- "By, by, by the way! How come we are talking about such embarrassing past events!"
- "It's because you started talking about these experiences."
- Right... through talking about these experiences, we had returned to the past.
- At the apartment I once lived in, me and Ayase were standing face to face.

- ----------------It's this kind of you, that I love (like).

- I ------------- was confessed to by Ayase.
- The tears have disappeared from her eyes. Along with all kinds of embarrassing memories, the feelings also have changed.
- "Really... all kinds of experiences."
- "Ah... really mementos, although they happened only a short while ago."
- I raised my head and looked at the apartment.
- I stayed for two months in this No.201. That narrow, little room is the place where me and Ayase spent so much time together.
- Although I initially couldn't wait to move back home, when the time came, I really felt reluctant. That surely is because me and Ayase stayed there together----------
- When dating Ayase, the experience will surely be like the experiences of that time.
- "Onii-san.... please answer me."
- "Ah, ah ---- Ayase."
- "Yes"
- "I'm sorry. I, already have a person I love."

- My answer was set long ago. She must have understood that a long ago.
- "...............Idiot.............."
- Tears are continuously pouring out of Ayase's eyes, streaming down her face.
- "Idiot!"
- A heavy slap's coming!
- "O, o, onii-san you idiot!" Peng! The first one; Ayase slapped upon my chest. "Idiot, Idiot, Idiot!" Peng, peng, peng, peng, hammering on my chest, like she wants to hammer her feelings into my chest.... "Why isn't it me! You did say you want to marry me! You did sexually harass me countless times!"
- "Ayase... listen to me, I"

- "Don't make jokes, we did do H things!"

- "Wait, we never did H things, okay!"
- In this serious environment she could not resist a ridiculous joke! She absolutely said a ridiculous joke.
- But, but there's no way around it, right!? There's no way I can let that slide, right?!
- "We, we did! Please don't play dumb!"
- "No we didn't, no we didn't, no we didn't! We for sure didn't!"
- Although I sound like the most TM scum, we really didn't!
- Now there is no opportunity to insert an explenation! But please believe me!
- "I don't believe it... we really did, right....! - , Have you forgotten it...?"
- Ayase, teary and with anger rising in her eyes pierces me with her gaze.
- "Tha, that time ------------ you, you, you, you, you saw my breasts, didn't you!"
- "You mean that with H!"
- It's the experience we reminisced about just before! That's hugely confusing!
- "That was an incident, okay! It was the mischief of a naughty little kid!"
- "Just because it was an incident you think this H doesn't matter?! Please bear the responsibility!"
- "First, can you please stop describing that 'Seeing the breasts incident' as H?! What do we do if people living nearby hear that?!"
- My reputation in the neighbourhood is already in a bad shape!
- I doesn't need a 'Very H incident'!
- "Urusai, urusai, urusai! If you don't go out with me I will kill you!"
- "A, Ayase!"
- In order to bring her back to senses I raised my voice.
- Next, I dropped my voice again, and used the most serious tone I could manage, in order to convey my feelings
- "------------ That's not possible, I can't date you. It's already my definite decision."
- I'm very very happy and honoured, but my answer won't change.
- "........Eh"
- Upon hearing my words, Ayase still was a little bit angry, and created a "Hngh!" sound with her nose.
- "That's right. Replying at this time in this fashion, that's onii-san."
- She did know my answer, but still let out all her anger and conveyed her feelings to me.
- "Onii-san's a big liar, really too cunning. Only at the last moment do you utter your true feelings."
- "Ayase..."
- ".......... I already started to care about you, the first time we met."
- "................"
- "In the past I made some wrong assumptions. The onii-san of the Kirino I like the most seemed to be a very gentle person ....... if I could marry him, Kirino would be like my sister.... I once imagined such embarrassing things."
- Her cheeks turned red, while she reminisced.
- "The more I imagine, the stronger it got.... Then, I don't know how many times, did onii-san leave me disenchanted.... Afterwards, I every time started to dream again, on a new basis...."
- Looking back... since we met, far too many different kinds of things happened.
- Even though we did not meet each other all that often, the memories with Ayase are deeply ingrained in my heart.
- "Before I knew it, I had fallen deeply in love with you."
- Ayase pushed herself with all her ability and managed a bitter smile.
- "........................"
- "........................."
- The two of us at this moment only stared at each other.
- "Nah, onii-san."
- "Ahuh.... what?"
- "You have bewildered my heart, so can you please bear responsibility?"
- As I can't take responsibility by going out with her, in that moment, I didn't understand what she meant.
- "Honestly... onii-san is really slow. When we part, isn't there something we always do?"
- "Ah, oh"

- 'You hentai! Die!!!!!'

- "Haha, you mean that."
- "Yes, just like that."
- Even without explaining to everybody, you all know what is meant, right. On the one hand I felt sad, on the other hand cherishing.
- I faced her, standing tall and prepared myself.
- "Okay! Do it!"
- Use that move to kick me into the air ------------ although this still won't solve her anger ---------- If it's like in the past, tomorrow for sure, we will be able to return to the way we always were.
- "Then, I'll do it."
- Oy.... Ayase, you honestly take a running start......!
- Ayase stormed towards me.
- "---------------------"
- I closed my eyes and prepared for a violent hit. But, the next moment wasn't painful.

- Chu

- But rather like that, a gentle lip contact
- "......!"
- I touched my face and opened my eyes.
- There was a feeling like time had stopped. Although in reality perhaps only a few seconds had passed, it felt to me like an entire hour.
- Finally, Ayase slowly moved away her lips.
- Her face was completely red and tears were still accumulated in her eyes, just like that we looked at each other from a close distance.
- After giving me this violent strike, she in the end said with a smile
- "Bye, onii-san. I, detest you the most."

EDIT: That Chinese guy said Chapter 3 with Kuroneko is perhaps even sadder than the Ayase part. And, for those who have the 2nd PSP game, he said it is interesting to first look at the Kuroneko route of that game, before reading the chapter.

Well,that was sad.Ayase is my second favourite heroine right after Kirino.Can't wait to see how Kuroneko will react.^^

[virox]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I skipped forward to the end (?) of chapter 2, part 8

Spoiler for Part 8 Chapter 2:

- "-------------- so, something like that also happened."
- "Ah, ah... that was an unparalleled strike."
- I was really luck to have survived this.
- "By, by, by the way! How come we are talking about such embarrassing past events!"
- "It's because you started talking about these experiences."
- Right... through talking about these experiences, we had returned to the past.
- At the apartment I once lived in, me and Ayase were standing face to face.

- ----------------It's this kind of you, that I love (like).

- I ------------- was confessed to by Ayase.
- The tears have disappeared from her eyes. Along with all kinds of embarrassing memories, the feelings also have changed.
- "Really... all kinds of experiences."
- "Ah... really mementos, although they happened only a short while ago."
- I raised my head and looked at the apartment.
- I stayed for two months in this No.201. That narrow, little room is the place where me and Ayase spent so much time together.
- Although I initially couldn't wait to move back home, when the time came, I really felt reluctant. That surely is because me and Ayase stayed there together----------
- When dating Ayase, the experience will surely be like the experiences of that time.
- "Onii-san.... please answer me."
- "Ah, ah ---- Ayase."
- "Yes"
- "I'm sorry. I, already have a person I love."

- My answer was set long ago. She must have understood that a long ago.
- "...............Idiot.............."
- Tears are continuously pouring out of Ayase's eyes, streaming down her face.
- "Idiot!"
- A heavy slap's coming!
- "O, o, onii-san you idiot!" Peng! The first one; Ayase slapped upon my chest. "Idiot, Idiot, Idiot!" Peng, peng, peng, peng, hammering on my chest, like she wants to hammer her feelings into my chest.... "Why isn't it me! You did say you want to marry me! You did sexually harass me countless times!"
- "Ayase... listen to me, I"

- "Don't make jokes, we did do H things!"

- "Wait, we never did H things, okay!"
- In this serious environment she could not resist a ridiculous joke! She absolutely said a ridiculous joke.
- But, but there's no way around it, right!? There's no way I can let that slide, right?!
- "We, we did! Please don't play dumb!"
- "No we didn't, no we didn't, no we didn't! We for sure didn't!"
- Although I sound like the most TM scum, we really didn't!
- Now there is no opportunity to insert an explenation! But please believe me!
- "I don't believe it... we really did, right....! - , Have you forgotten it...?"
- Ayase, teary and with anger rising in her eyes pierces me with her gaze.
- "Tha, that time ------------ you, you, you, you, you saw my breasts, didn't you!"
- "You mean that with H!"
- It's the experience we reminisced about just before! That's hugely confusing!
- "That was an incident, okay! It was the mischief of a naughty little kid!"
- "Just because it was an incident you think this H doesn't matter?! Please bear the responsibility!"
- "First, can you please stop describing that 'Seeing the breasts incident' as H?! What do we do if people living nearby hear that?!"
- My reputation in the neighbourhood is already in a bad shape!
- I doesn't need a 'Very H incident'!
- "Urusai, urusai, urusai! If you don't go out with me I will kill you!"
- "A, Ayase!"
- In order to bring her back to senses I raised my voice.
- Next, I dropped my voice again, and used the most serious tone I could manage, in order to convey my feelings
- "------------ That's not possible, I can't date you. It's already my definite decision."
- I'm very very happy and honoured, but my answer won't change.
- "........Eh"
- Upon hearing my words, Ayase still was a little bit angry, and created a "Hngh!" sound with her nose.
- "That's right. Replying at this time in this fashion, that's onii-san."
- She did know my answer, but still let out all her anger and conveyed her feelings to me.
- "Onii-san's a big liar, really too cunning. Only at the last moment do you utter your true feelings."
- "Ayase..."
- ".......... I already started to care about you, the first time we met."
- "................"
- "In the past I made some wrong assumptions. The onii-san of the Kirino I like the most seemed to be a very gentle person ....... if I could marry him, Kirino would be like my sister.... I once imagined such embarrassing things."
- Her cheeks turned red, while she reminisced.
- "The more I imagine, the stronger it got.... Then, I don't know how many times, did onii-san leave me disenchanted.... Afterwards, I every time started to dream again, on a new basis...."
- Looking back... since we met, far too many different kinds of things happened.
- Even though we did not meet each other all that often, the memories with Ayase are deeply ingrained in my heart.
- "Before I knew it, I had fallen deeply in love with you."
- Ayase pushed herself with all her ability and managed a bitter smile.
- "........................"
- "........................."
- The two of us at this moment only stared at each other.
- "Nah, onii-san."
- "Ahuh.... what?"
- "You have bewildered my heart, so can you please bear responsibility?"
- As I can't take responsibility by going out with her, in that moment, I didn't understand what she meant.
- "Honestly... onii-san is really slow. When we part, isn't there something we always do?"
- "Ah, oh"

- 'You hentai! Die!!!!!'

- "Haha, you mean that."
- "Yes, just like that."
- Even without explaining to everybody, you all know what is meant, right. On the one hand I felt sad, on the other hand cherishing.
- I faced her, standing tall and prepared myself.
- "Okay! Do it!"
- Use that move to kick me into the air ------------ although this still won't solve her anger ---------- If it's like in the past, tomorrow for sure, we will be able to return to the way we always were.
- "Then, I'll do it."
- Oy.... Ayase, you honestly take a running start......!
- Ayase stormed towards me.
- "---------------------"
- I closed my eyes and prepared for a violent hit. But, the next moment wasn't painful.

- Chu

- But rather like that, a gentle lip contact
- "......!"
- I touched my face and opened my eyes.
- There was a feeling like time had stopped. Although in reality perhaps only a few seconds had passed, it felt to me like an entire hour.
- Finally, Ayase slowly moved away her lips.
- Her face was completely red and tears were still accumulated in her eyes, just like that we looked at each other from a close distance.
- After giving me this violent strike, she in the end said with a smile
- "Bye, onii-san. I, detest you the most."

EDIT: That Chinese guy said Chapter 3 with Kuroneko is perhaps even sadder than the Ayase part. And, for those who have the 2nd PSP game, he said it is interesting to first look at the Kuroneko route of that game, before reading the chapter.

Oh wow, kind of sucks that Kyousuke's first kiss on the lips wasn't actually with Kirino, even though he couldn't really prevent this from happening, and it was only a "surface kiss" or whatever you want to call it, a pecker would be a little bit too inconsiderate to Ayase.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by virox

Oh wow, kind of sucks that Kyousuke's first kiss on the lips wasn't actually with Kirino, even though he couldn't really prevent this from happening, and it was only a "surface kiss" or whatever you want to call it, a pecker would be a little bit too inconsiderate to Ayase.

Actually, that needs further clarification. It may simply be saying that what he felt wasn't her foot kicking him, but her lips touching his cheek. It doesn't mean she kissed him on the lips (in fact, I highly doubt she'd do that after just being rejected, since "first kisses" are kind of a big deal, particularly to someone like her).

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by virox

Oh wow, kind of sucks that Kyousuke's first kiss on the lips wasn't actually with Kirino, even though he couldn't really prevent this from happening, and it was only a "surface kiss" or whatever you want to call it, a pecker would be a little bit too inconsiderate to Ayase.

Many spoilers state thats a kiss on the cheek and not the lips,highly doubt that its on the lips

[Kakurin]

Yep, I suspect cheeks as well, but that Chinese translation wasn't very clear here.

[virox]

I see, thanks for 'clarification'

[finalfury]

Wow, that was umm, heartwarming in a strange, Ayase-ish way.
One of the reasons why I hate harem and love triangles with a passion.

[nfsac]

Is there ilustrations of Kirino's kisses?

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by nfsac

Is there ilustrations of Kirino's kisses?

If you look a few pages back in this thread, there was a link posted to an AkibaBlog article that had a few small preview images from the novel, and one of those picture was the first kiss. (The second kiss wasn't illustrated.)

[nfsac]

Found the blog but not the pictures

[Kakurin]

Part 5 of Chapter 2:

Spoiler for Part 5 Chapter 2:

- The afternoon of the next day, me and Ayase met at the station, then proceeded to the store near the station.
- The October weather was cold, yet clear.
- "Today's it's so cold that it doensn't seem like autumn.
- I was wearing a thick jacket, while the breath was white.
- "It helps awakening you for the weariness, isn't that a good thing."
- Ayase was wearing a kind of design that wrapped around her upper body, a one-piece without shoulder straps, along with a warm coat. Her appearance was very mature and fashionable
- Even though it's perhaps a little bit too late, but I still asked her
- "By the way, why.... that... are you wearing such a daring outfit?"
- "It, it's not like that. I had a photoshooting in the morning and then came over without a change of clothes..."
- Then just change your clothes! Just when I was about to say that out loud.
- "Ha!"
- I nearly spoke it out loud but decided to let it be. In the past I had a similar exchange with Kirino.

- 'That's the outfit I wore at the photoshoot, then they gave it to me as a special gift ~ So I just wore it. What do you think? Does it fit~'

- Anyway, in this situation you have to give out praises.
- But...
- "Mah, even though it looks very good, but...."
- ".... or is something not that fitting?"
- "Yes... a little bit too daring for a middle schooler, a little bit too early."
- I was not unhappy that Ayase came over in this outfit. But I couldn't ignore my concerns.
- "I'll just take this opportunity to say something sincerely. The same is applicable to Kirino, swimsuits, or those clothes at work that reveal quite much...... I do hope that she doesn't accept those in the future. Hai, even though I think it's very cute.... and I'm not thinking that your work is too careless, but, I'm just"
- What am I saying. Ayase will probably get angry.
- Instead Ayase let out a "Puh" and showed a soft smile.
- "Onii-san, you sound like my father."
- "Is, is that so?"
- "Yes. Worrying about me ----- I'm very gratified."
- "No, nothing... mah, spoke something unnecessary, sorry."
- "Hehe"
- ----------- Is it more embarrassment, or shyness, a, anyway change topic.
- The two of us are walking side by side looking for another topic.
- Then I looked up and in her black hair she wore that barrette she got from Kirino. The first time she used that barrette, I still felt a little bit unwell. I don't know since when, but this feeling has completely disappeared.
- "You're using that barrette Kirino gave you. It looks even more fitting than before."
- "Huhu, right?"
- "Oh, you seem quite confident. Is it because I got used to it?"
- "It surely is not because of that."
- Ayase straighted her back while saying that.
- "I'm also a model, as such I work very hard on certain aspects, in order to fit the barrette even better."
- "Huh~ ....... I see. Is Kirino also like that?"
- "Is onii-san talking about the barrette? For Kirino, it naturally is a very good fit."
- ".... Huh~"
- "By the way, Ayase. You haven't worn that barrette in a long time, right."
- "Ara~ Onii-san is really able to perceive that."
- As Ayase is too cute, I'll regularly pay attention to that, but of course won't say that out loud.
- "Mah, perhaps."
- Ayase touched the barrette a little bit.
- "Because this barrette was given to me by Kirino... it is a really important item for me. Because it is a unique precious item ------ I'll only use it on special occasions."
- "? Why are you wearing it today?"
- Ayase put a single finger next to her lips and said in a mischievous tone
- "I wonder why~? What do you think, onii-san?"
- "Because, it is a special day?"
- "Correct, you guessed right. Then ----- what is it for a special day?"
- "Um....... I don't know!"
- Seeing me in this clueless manner, Ayase let out a happy laughter.
- "Really ~ You really are an idiot~"
- "I absolutely have no clue, so tell me."
- "I won't."
- "What, why not."
- "Hehe, I won't. ------------ Ahm, shall I give you a hint?"
- Ayase touched her barrette in a very cute way.
- "This barrette was one that ------------- Kirino once received from 'that guy', because it's so precious, she couldn't wear it every day. Therefore she went out and bought many barrettes of the same style."
- "Heh..."
- "To get Kirino to give one was hard work."
- "I see. But, what is that for a hint? I still don't understand."
- "Heh, really. By the way onii-san."
- "What?"
- "Your current expression seems very joyful."
- ..................................................
- "That's not the case."
- Back to topic
- It has nothing to do with that, just some random thing....... (this is probably translated incorrectly, but I don't know the meaning behind that).
- A long, long time ago, a middle school Kyousuke, very unusually gave his imouto a present.
- This indeed was a barrette worth only 500 Yen.
- Mah............. nothing to do anyway.