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ion475 · 2013-08-08, 18:01

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Sad for Ika Musume, she can do better :/

Finishing ahead of Akiyama-dono is quite a feat by itself. Not to mention, Ika-chan invasion plan is bound to failed just b/c she didn't sign a contract to become a Mahou Shoujo. On the other hand, it's not like Madoka and Mami are ahead of Ika-chan by THAT much...(At least compare to how much Ako/Shizu finished ahead of Miborin)

Anyway, a 9-1-0 round with me having the 1st 9 girls on my vote. One last round before 2nd prelim. As strong as this group is, though, I can only picked 9 girls.

<<金色の闇＠To LOVEる -とらぶる- ダークネス>> (Konjiki no Yami@To-Love-Ru Darkness)
<<ユイ＠ソードアート・オンライン>> (Yui@Sword Art Online)
<<椎名真冬＠生徒会の一存 Lv.2>> (Shiina Mafuyu@Seitokai no Ichizon Lv. 2)
<<北白川あんこ＠たまこまーけっと>> (Kitashirakawa Anko@Tamako Market)
<<赤座あかり＠ゆるゆり♪♪>> (Akaza Akari@Yuruyuri♪♪)
<<沖田紗羽＠TARI TARI>> (Okita Sawa@Tari Tari)
<<舞牧麻衣（副部長）＠変態王子と笑わない猫。>> (Maimaki Mai (Fukubuchou)@Hentai Ouji to Wararanai Neko.)
<<忍野忍（吸血鬼幼女）＠猫物語（黒）>> (Oshino Shinobu (Young Vampire Girl)@Nekomonogatari (Kuro))
<<羽瀬川小鳩＠僕は友達が少ないNEXT>> (Hasegawa Kobato@Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT) <- 小鳩ちゃんぺろぺろ
<<天江衣＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> (Amae Koromo@Saki: Achiga-hen episode of side-A)

Should be a fight between Kodromo and Akarin for 1st place.

iamadooddood · 2013-08-08, 20:11

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Originally Posted by timbits

Phew, that was close. I thought I'd have to deliver there for a while. So uh, what was that about GuP dominating this year? I can't see your tears of defeat from all the way over here on the podium.

What are you talking about, she got 101 votes. Nowhere near 72.

Hmm, given that Madoka and Saki both had the luxury to freely dominate a previous Saimoe against far weaker competition, they got the momentum from what I see. This is what GuP doesn't have compared to those 2, hence they're severely disadvantaged.

Godoka beating Mami... was only to be expected.

Triple_R · 2013-08-08, 22:11

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Originally Posted by iamadooddood

What are you talking about, she got 101 votes. Nowhere near 72.

Hmm, given that Madoka and Saki both had the luxury to freely dominate a previous Saimoe against far weaker competition, they got the momentum from what I see. This is what GuP doesn't have compared to those 2, hence they're severely disadvantaged.

No offense, but that's pretty rich. Plenty of J-SaiMoe followers were predicting that being defending champs would hurt Madoka and Saki, hence helping to pave the way to GuP domination (which is what timbits is legitimately referring to). Now GuP is "severely disadvantaged" due to not having previous champion momentum on their side like Madoka and Saki do... lol. From one argument to its complete opposite.

Also, I don't really see how this year's competition is far stronger, aside from how both Madoka and Saki are in this. Last I checked, the only people to crack the 200-votes club in the prelims this year are Madoka girls, Saki girls, and Mori Summer. So, yeah, I'm not really seeing super-stiffer competition this year.

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Godoka beating Mami... was only to be expected.

Why? Mami defeated Madoka on the way to becoming J-SaiMoe 2011 Champion.

I don't particularly care who wins Madoka vs. Mami as I like both girls a lot, but I tend to view a match between them as a toss-up.

timbits · 2013-08-09, 00:27

Ok I have no idea what determines the popularities of the individual Madoka girls, because it just looks arbitrary at this point since Mami won against Madoka 2 years ago.

It's finally time. Now is our promised moment of glory, where our eternal protagonist Akari~n will lead us to victory against the evils of Saki. They shall tanoshii no more, but instead, our cries of victory will echo out over the battlefield: Akari~n! Akari~n! Akari~n!

...said timbits as he includes several Saki characters in his picks.

Spoiler for Prelims 1-16 Picks:

Today is Mafuyu's day. I BELIEVE. Do it for SeiZon Mafuyu, for great justice! Do it for the greatest harem anime ever conceived!

iamadooddood · 2013-08-09, 03:14

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

No offense, but that's pretty rich. Plenty of J-SaiMoe followers were predicting that being defending champs would hurt Madoka and Saki, hence helping to pave the way to GuP domination (which is what timbits is legitimately referring to). Now GuP is "severely disadvantaged" due to not having previous champion momentum on their side like Madoka and Saki do... lol. From one argument to its complete opposite.

Also, I don't really see how this year's competition is far stronger, aside from how both Madoka and Saki are in this. Last I checked, the only people to crack the 200-votes club in the prelims this year are Madoka girls, Saki girls, and Mori Summer. So, yeah, I'm not really seeing super-stiffer competition this year.

Pretty rich, yes (in fact, before Saimoe '13 started, I'd never have had this line of thought), but clearly that's what's happening right now. Of course, Saki having a ton of 2nd tier and 1st tier characters (the latter of which Madoka also has) helps a lot.

In another year, GuP might have dominated (yes, the competition I was referring to was Madoka and Saki). Now, they're forever going to be remembered as being inferior to Madoka and Saki (unless a next season, if any, becomes really awesome). This kind of thing tends to stick. For example, Saki might not have been the force it is now had Madoka been eligible for '12?

And mind that this momentum only really applies when the champion won by dominating like Madoka and Saki did, considering past history. And '11 Madoka didn't lose '12 by being dominated by Saki; they were simply ineligible. So the momentum ended up being carried over.

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Why? Mami defeated Madoka on the way to becoming J-SaiMoe 2011 Champion.

I don't particularly care who wins Madoka vs. Mami as I like both girls a lot, but I tend to view a match between them as a toss-up.

Exactly. Now Madoka's more likely to win than Mami, because Mami already won before. Unless of course I'm wrong and they want Mami to win twice... I don't know about you, but I'd find it unlikely.

And think about it. If there has to be a repeat champion series-wise, would most people (barring Madoka fans) rather have the girl who hasn't won yet, or the girl who won before? The latter case will mean that the series that was the first repeat champion would have the same girl win both times. Which do you think most voters (overall) would rather have?

Subayai · 2013-08-09, 06:30

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Originally Posted by iamadooddood

Hmm, given that Madoka and Saki both had the luxury to freely dominate a previous Saimoe against far weaker competition, they got the momentum from what I see. This is what GuP doesn't have compared to those 2, hence they're severely disadvantaged.

I really don't see how dominating a previous Saimoe could be an advantage to Saki or Madoka. If anything, it's more like the contrary, they are weakened because of it.

Saki and Madoka are not popular because they dominated; they dominated because they were popular. That popularity does not need to go away completely and immediately.

If Madoka had participated in 2012, maybe Saki would have not dominated or even won, but this would not diminish their present popularity. Some of Saki's characters were already popular in 2009 and 2010, before Madoka existed.

In the case of Saki, compare this year's performance with last year's preliminaries. With the notable exception of Ako's victory in Group 14, the results achieved by the other characters are not that impressive. Don't get me wrong they are still doing really well and some of their aces could progress very far into the tournament but they are also feeling the effects of last year's victory.

Finally, the reason GuP characters haven't performed as expected (so far at least) is very simple: they aren't as liked/popular as many of us thought they were. They are not "disadvantaged" by anything and certainly their performance has nothing to do with what other series did on previous years.

Triple_R · 2013-08-09, 07:09

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Originally Posted by Subayai

I really don't see how dominating a previous Saimoe could be an advantage to Saki or Madoka. If anything, it's more like the contrary, they are weakened because of it.

Saki and Madoka are not popular because they dominated; they dominated because they were popular. That popularity does not need to go away completely and immediately.

If Madoka had participated in 2012, maybe Saki would have not dominated or even won, but this would not diminish their present popularity. Some of Saki's characters were already popular in 2009 and 2010, before Madoka existed.

In the case of Saki, compare this year's performance with last year's preliminaries. With the notable exception of Ako's victory in Group 14, the results achieved by the other characters are not that impressive. Don't get me wrong they are still doing really well and some of their aces could progress very far into the tournament but they are also feeling the effects of last year's victory.

Finally, the reason GuP characters haven't performed as expected (so far at least) is very simple: they aren't as liked/popular as many of us thought they were. They are not "disadvantaged" by anything and certainly their performance has nothing to do with what other series did on previous years.

Agreed.

I can certainly understand why people thought that GuP would be a big deal in J-SaiMoe - Excellent DVD/Blu-Ray sales, all-girls show, generally cute and appealing character designs. But let's face it, they're not a big deal in J-SaiMoe. With that in mind, I agree with iamadooddood on at least one thing - Weak initial performance does tend to stick.

While anime shows that are popular in a general sense also tend to be popular in moe competitions (insofar as those shows have moe characters in them), there are always exceptions. Madoka Magica is one of the best-selling anime shows of all-time, but it has not done well in ISML. On the flip-side, Koreha Zombie Desuka? was not a particularly popular anime show, but Eucliwood Hellscythe has consistently been amongst the strongest ISML Girls since 2011.

On the J-SaiMoe side of things, many people once thought that IdolMaster would be a big deal (which would make sense for the same reasons as it would for GuP), but that never really materialized either.

chaosprophet · 2013-08-09, 07:39

Results for Prelims 1 - Group 16

Spoiler for P1G16 Results:

Regarding the convo about Saki and Madoka previous domination helping them this year, I think it may be possible in light of the very reduced voter base. The number of votes have been decreasing every year now, and in that case fans of series that did that well as those two in recent years may have the extra incentive to continue voting this year.

Also no 1st place today huh

iamadooddood · 2013-08-09, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Subayai

I really don't see how dominating a previous Saimoe could be an advantage to Saki or Madoka. If anything, it's more like the contrary, they are weakened because of it.

Saki and Madoka are not popular because they dominated; they dominated because they were popular. That popularity does not need to go away completely and immediately.

If Madoka had participated in 2012, maybe Saki would have not dominated or even won, but this would not diminish their present popularity. Some of Saki's characters were already popular in 2009 and 2010, before Madoka existed.

In the case of Saki, compare this year's performance with last year's preliminaries. With the notable exception of Ako's victory in Group 14, the results achieved by the other characters are not that impressive. Don't get me wrong they are still doing really well and some of their aces could progress very far into the tournament but they are also feeling the effects of last year's victory.

Finally, the reason GuP characters haven't performed as expected (so far at least) is very simple: they aren't as liked/popular as many of us thought they were. They are not "disadvantaged" by anything and certainly their performance has nothing to do with what other series did on previous years.

Said almost every voter before this Saimoe started.

Maybe I was not clear enough. To have positive momentum, you need to fulfill 2 criteria: (1) win, and (2) dominate all the way. If (1) is not fulfilled (i.e. you dominate all the way, but lose the final or something), that one I find it hard to call; it might depend on past records as well. If (2) is not fulfilled, then yes, they'll be weakened in subsequent years (and hence have negative momentum). But if both criteria are fulfilled, then it's a whole different ball game altogether, and what I've said before applies.

If Saki had not won '12, they'd have been known as the faction that "can dominate, but can't win". No longer.

Saki's Toki, the defending champion, won her group. You're saying that this is not a big deal? And Madoka (as a series) isn't looking any weaker than they were in '11 either.

For Saki and Madoka, they won their respective years not only because they were popular, but specifically because they were far more popular than their competition. Sure GuP is popular, but unfortunately, they're less popular than Saki and Madoka, so naturally they'll suffer.

Of course, their decreased performance could be attributed to their fans thinking "they'll win anyway, no need to vote seriously yet", which is what makes a champion: to not perform anywhere near 100% and still deliver (which is true especially in the early stages).

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Agreed.

I can certainly understand why people thought that GuP would be a big deal in J-SaiMoe - Excellent DVD/Blu-Ray sales, all-girls show, generally cute and appealing character designs. But let's face it, they're not a big deal in J-SaiMoe. With that in mind, I agree with iamadooddood on at least one thing - Weak initial performance does tend to stick.

While anime shows that are popular in a general sense also tend to be popular in moe competitions (insofar as those shows have moe characters in them), there are always exceptions. Madoka Magica is one of the best-selling anime shows of all-time, but it has not done well in ISML. On the flip-side, Koreha Zombie Desuka? was not a particularly popular anime show, but Eucliwood Hellscythe has consistently been amongst the strongest ISML Girls since 2011.

On the J-SaiMoe side of things, many people once thought that IdolMaster would be a big deal (which would make sense for the same reasons as it would for GuP), but that never really materialized either.

Point taken.

Anyone know the statistics for the Korea's Best Moe Tournament? If I'm not wrong there's another Saimoe-esque tournament that's in Chinese or something (held twice a year, once for winter/spring and once for summer/autumn)? Can someone help me check?

Subayai · 2013-08-09, 11:04

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Originally Posted by chaosprophet

Regarding the convo about Saki and Madoka previous domination helping them this year, I think it may be possible in light of the very reduced voter base. The number of votes have been decreasing every year now, and in that case fans of series that did that well as those two in recent years may have the extra incentive to continue voting this year.

This is a fair point. If the reduced voter base means that it's mostly composed by Madoka and Saki fans from 2011 and 2012, the circumstances should favor these two series. But then, I wonder, these fans must have watched and liked new series in the meantime, right? Will they still vote for Madoka and Saki characters when they have to choose only one character per match in the main tournament? We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

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I can certainly understand why people thought that GuP would be a big deal in J-SaiMoe - Excellent DVD/Blu-Ray sales, all-girls show, generally cute and appealing character designs.

Yes, I agree. I think that, based on these things, the appeal of its characters to Saimoe voters was overestimated. As you said, it happened with im@s too.

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For Saki and Madoka, they won their respective years not only because they were popular, but specifically because they were far more popular than their competition. Sure GuP is popular, but unfortunately, they're less popular than Saki and Madoka, so naturally they'll suffer.

I agree with this. If GuP were super popular like Madoka and Saki in their respective years, then they would dominate and probably even win this year. But they are not.

I just meant to say there's no need to invoke a "champion momentum" or anything to explain why a certain series is not performing as expected. There is a simpler explanation which you already posted here.

KanbeKotori · 2013-08-09, 11:14

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Originally Posted by chaosprophet

Results for Prelims 1 - Group 16

Spoiler for P1G16 Results:

Regarding the convo about Saki and Madoka previous domination helping them this year, I think it may be possible in light of the very reduced voter base. The number of votes have been decreasing every year now, and in that case fans of series that did that well as those two in recent years may have the extra incentive to continue voting this year.

Also no 1st place today huh

Erm...according to the RAW results, Amae Koromo was not in second place even if she's a joint-second.

2位　176票　清水谷竜華＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A
2位　176票　天江衣＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A

Anyway so sad that Koromo didn't managed to get first place D:

This time round most of my votes only qualified for Round 2 and not straight to the main round :/

iamadooddood · 2013-08-09, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Subayai

I agree with this. If GuP were super popular like Madoka and Saki in their respective years, then they would dominate and probably even win this year. But they are not.

I just meant to say there's no need to invoke a "champion momentum" or anything to explain why a certain series is not performing as expected. There is a simpler explanation which you already posted here.

You forgot one thing: the potential to be a dominating force like Madoka and Saki. Suppose Madoka and Saki weren't eligible for '13, and GuP dominated and won '13, and come '14, all 3 are eligible. What would happen is: all 3 would be on equal footing. This is what I meant by "momentum".

However as we know, this is not what happened... now the chance for GuP to be a major force like Madoka and Saki has been lost forever.

Ichuki · 2013-08-09, 11:57

Makes me wonder if Akarin~ can get revenge this year.

ion475 · 2013-08-09, 13:41

8-1-1 for this round. Overall record for 1st prelim is 115-31-14.

Statistic So Far (by series...I haven't do Seiyuu yet):
Saki - 26
GuP - 12
Yuruyuri - 10
Idolm@ster - 9
Lovelive! - 8
Railgun - 7 (NOTE: If Index and Railgun are counted together, they have 10 girls)
Hidamari Sketch - 6
Oreimo, Minami-ke, Little Busters, Ro-Kyu-Bu, Haganai NEXT, Yuyushiki, Hayate no Gotoku, MadoMagi - 5
To-Love-Ru, DAL, Joshiraku, SAO, Oda Nobuna no Yabou, Chuunikoi, Vividred Operation, Nekomonogatari - 4
Hataraku Maou-sama, Kore wa Zombie Desuka OTD, Oreshura, Oregairu, Tari Tari, Index, Seizon, Nyaruko W, Hanasaku Iroha - 3
Sakurasou, Inu x Boku SS, Sasami-san, Accel World, Oniai, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita, Tamako Market, Henneko, Miyakawa-ke, Ika Musume - 2
Leviathan, Nakaimo, Hyouka, Chihayafuru, Kanon 100%, Kaminomi, Crime Edge, Teekyuu, Magi, Precure, Kotoura-san, Dog Days, Papakiki, Mondaiji, Milky Holmes, Maoyuu Maou-sama, Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Muromi-san, Sankarea, Shingeki no Kyojin, Gargantia, Detective Conan - 1

chaosprophet · 2013-08-09, 21:34

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Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

Erm...according to the RAW results, Amae Koromo was not in second place even if she's a joint-second.

2位　176票　清水谷竜華＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A
2位　176票　天江衣＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A

Anyway so sad that Koromo didn't managed to get first place D:

This time round most of my votes only qualified for Round 2 and not straight to the main round :/

When there is a tie, it doesn't matter who is listed first, it's interchangeable. On theirs Koromo is listed second because whatever process they use to produce the results file ended with that order, and in my translation the process I use end up with a different order.

Team Rocket Elite · 2013-08-09, 22:05

7-3-0

Spoiler for Preliminary 1-16 Results:

I'm hoping the characters I support do better in second preliminaries but I think they usually do worse.

timbits · 2013-08-10, 00:56

And so the curtain closes on first preliminaries with Akari~n's victory. Mafuyu sneaks by at 14th, which is incredibly bittersweet for me. On one hand that's a really disappointing performance by a former quarter finalist, on the other hand she did get in, which is relieving.

Let's have a look at my initial projections and how accurate they turned out to be, shall we?

Spoiler for timbits' Fail Predictions of Badness:

Group 1: predicted: Toki actual: Toki Yeah everyone saw that one coming. I do not claim to be proud of this one.
Group 2: predicted: Yozora actual: Yozora This one I'm quite proud of though. Almost everyone thought GuP would take it and be the beast of this tournament. Nope. That day was not a defeat for just Saori, but the entire GuP faction.
Group 3: predicted: Kirino actual: Eru I said if Kirino lost to Eru I would eat my hat. I'm glad I don't wear any hats. Hey maybe the last OVA episodes of Oreimo that are being released will boost her in the main tourney? I'm just thinking optimistically at this point.
Group 4: predicted: Rikka actual: Rikka would you look at that I actually got something right. Not much more of that to come, I'm afraid.
Group 5: predicted: Nagi actual: Sena And I was so adamant in my argument for why Nagi would win too. I think I'm going to go cry in a corner now.
Group 6: predicted: Nodoka actual: TOSHINO KYOUKO one of the two times I call for a Saki to win and it doesn't happen. They seem to love to win when I bet against them, however. I think the Mahjong gods of probability just hate me.
Group 7: predicted: Nanoha actual: Azusa Well, you tried, white devil.
Group 8: predicted: Homura actual: Homura not only did I get Homura right in this group, but I think I can now safely say I called Shinka being the secret ace for Chuu2. I CALLED IT. I WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT. YAY.
Group 9: predicted: Ayase actual: Ayase no brainer on this one. Not a surprise at all.
Group 10: predicted: Kuro actual: Yuu I actually didn't specify who I was predicting would win but since I went with Kuro in fantasy saimoe I guess that's my pick. This one is completely luck based and a coin flip, I'm convinced.
Group 11: predicted: Kud actual: Sayaka AND NOW FOR THE MOST SPECTACULAR FAILURE OF TIMBITS' SAIMOE FORECASTING CAREER. where were the KEY fans? Where were the tens of thousands of people who bought Kud Wafter? WHY DOES SAIMOE HATE ME.
Group 12: predicted: Hinata actual: Saten Loliball isn't as strong as I thought. Looks like mediocrity is their specialty.
Group 13: predicted: Chiho actual: Kuuko OH SO TAUNTINGLY CLOSE. Why does this have to happen to me?
Group 14: predicted: Miho actual: Ako I don't know what I was thinking betting against Ako. And Shizu. Suuuuuuure you didn't rig the brackets saimoe organizers.
Group 15: predicted: Mami actual: Madoka Once again I choose the wrong one in a coinflip situation. Ladies and gentlemen, I am truly the greatest predictor of our time.
Group 16: predicted: Akari~n actual: Akari~n Revenge is near.

In total, 6/16. AND THAT'S WHY TIMBITS NEVER WINS FANTASY SAIMOE. Be right back crawling into hole in ground.

iamadooddood · 2013-08-10, 02:17

You hit the nail for half of the first 10... and then only one of the last 6. Ouch.

Good thing I'm more of a neutral (ABS though). I'd never have gotten 6 right.

KanbeKotori · 2013-08-10, 05:10

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When there is a tie, it doesn't matter who is listed first, it's interchangeable. On theirs Koromo is listed second because whatever process they use to produce the results file ended with that order, and in my translation the process I use end up with a different order.

Ah. I thought you'll translate it according to the finalised results.

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Good thing I'm more of a neutral (ABS though). I'd never have gotten 6 right.

I'm more of a neutral too (NBS though)

chaosprophet · 2013-08-10, 08:26

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Ah. I thought you'll translate it according to the finalised results.

I do, but during the process I do sort the values back and forth so it's possible a tied chara order may not be the same on the final result. But of course, if that was something that mattered, then I would use a way that wouldn't change that order. But for most of saimoe, there is no such a thing as tiebreak, if there is a tie then all tied get the same fate (both advance, etc).

2013-08-09, 00:27	Link #384
timbits Harem Lead Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Calgary, Canada	Ok I have no idea what determines the popularities of the individual Madoka girls, because it just looks arbitrary at this point since Mami won against Madoka 2 years ago. It's finally time. Now is our promised moment of glory, where our eternal protagonist Akari~n will lead us to victory against the evils of Saki. They shall tanoshii no more, but instead, our cries of victory will echo out over the battlefield: Akari~n! Akari~n! Akari~n! ...said timbits as he includes several Saki characters in his picks. Spoiler for Prelims 1-16 Picks: Shinobu Oshino @ Ghostory Sasami Sasasegawa @ Little Busters! Ria Hagry @ Ore no Imouto Ga Konna Ni Kawaii Wake Ga Nai Koromo Amae @ Saki Ryuuka Shimizudani @ Saki *Mafuyu Shiina @ Seitokai No Ichizon* Mutsumi Mitsuba @ Seitokai Yakuindomo Mami Futami @ The Idolmaster Akari Akaza @ Yuru Yuri *Yui Funami @ Yuru Yuri* Today is Mafuyu's day. I BELIEVE. Do it for SeiZon Mafuyu, for great justice! Do it for the greatest harem anime ever conceived! __________________

2013-08-09, 07:39	Link #388
chaosprophet Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brazil	Results for Prelims 1 - Group 16 Spoiler for P1G16 Results: 1st - 202 votes - Akaza Akari @ Yuru Yuri♪♪ 2nd - 176 votes - Amae Koromo @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 2nd - 176 votes - Shimizudani Ryuuka @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 4th - 151 votes - Funami Yui @ Yuru Yuri♪♪ 5th - 145 votes - Okita Sawa @ Tari Tari 6th - 143 votes - Hasegawa Kobato @ Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Next 7th - 117 votes - Konjiki no Yami @ To-Love-Ru Darkness 8th - 107 votes - Yagami Hayate @ Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: The Movie 2nd A's 8th - 107 votes - Nagatsuki Sanae @ Shinryaku!? Ika Musume 10th - 103 votes - Sonoda Umi @ Love Live! 11th - 95 votes - Oshino Shinobu (Vampire little girl) @ Nekomonogatari: Kuro 12th - 94 votes - Minami Chiaki @ Minami-ke Tadaima 13th - 92 votes - Kitashirakawa Anko @ Tamako Market 14th - 82 votes - Shiina Mafuyu @ Seitokai no Ichizon Lv.2 ===============Up to here advance to Main round=============== 15th - 79 votes - Toujou Koneko @ Highschool DxD 16th - 77 votes - Kusunoki Yukimura @ Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Next 17th - 72 votes - Yui @ Sword Art Online 18th - 66 votes - Koyama Yuzu @ Girls und Panzer 19th - 57 votes - Matano Seiko @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 20th - 55 votes - Suehara Kyouko @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 21st - 51 votes - Futami Mami @ The iDOLM@STER series 22nd - 46 votes - Yagami Tsurugi @ Sasami-san@Ganbaranai 23th - 44 votes - Usuzawa Sae @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 24th - 43 votes - Tsuruma Konoe @ Kono Naka ni Hitori, Imouto ga Iru! 25th - 41 votes - Sasasegawa Sasami @ Little Busters! 26th - 40 votes - Okahashi Hatsuse @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 27th - 32 votes - Sashinami Shouko @ Kakumeiki Valvrave 28th - 31 votes - Atsuko @ Minami-ke Tadaima 28th - 31 votes - Yamagou Ayumi @ Girls und Panzer 28th - 31 votes - Asama Tomo @ Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon II 31st - 30 votes - Maya Yukiko @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A 32nd - 29 votes - Himegami Aisa @ Toaru Majutsu no Index: Endymion no Kiseki 33rd - 27 votes - Nogizaka Mika @ Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu: Finale 33rd - 27 votes - Hanasaki Tsubomi (Cure Blossom) @ Precure All Stars New Stage 2: Kokoro no Tomodachi 35th - 26 votes - Tsuchimikado Maika @ Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S 35th - 26 votes - Tokugawa Sen @ Hyakka Ryouran: Samurai Bride 37th - 25 votes - Saionji Reika @ Ginga e Kickoff!! 38th - 24 votes - Bellows @ Suisei no Gargantia 38th - 24 votes - Saitou Nagisa @ Shinryaku!? Ika Musume 38th - 24 votes - Kasukabe You @ Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? ===============Up to here advance to Prelims 2================ 41st - 23 votes - Tendou Mana @ Kono Naka ni Hitori, Imouto ga Iru! 42nd - 22 votes - Mitsuba Mutsumi @ Seitokai Yakuindomo 42nd - 22 votes - Mori-san @ GJ-bu 44th - 21 votes - Tama @ Gintama': Enchousen 45th - 20 votes - Toudou Yurika @ Aikatsu! Idol Katsudou! 45th - 20 votes - Takatoo Erika @ Ginga e Kickoff!! 47th - 18 votes - Lindy Harlaown @ Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: The Movie 2nd A's 48th - 17 votes - Saitou Kaede @ Yama no Susume 49th - 16 votes - Naze Youka @ Medaka Box Abnormal 50th - 15 votes - Fuji-san @ Namiuchigiwa no Muromi-san 50th - 15 votes - Tsubomi Fujiko @ The Unlimited - Hyoubu Kyousuke 52nd - 12 votes - Dokin-chan @ Sore Ike! Anpanman 53rd - 10 votes - Katou @ Chokkyuu Hyoudai Robot Anime 53rd - 10 votes - Muroto Aki @ Photokano 53rd - 10 votes - Shimura Tae @ Gintama': Enchousen 53rd - 10 votes - Hasegawa Haruka @ Moyashimon Returns 57th - 9 votes - Otose @ Gintama': Enchousen 57th - 9 votes - Ienaga Kana @ Nurarihyon no Mago 57th - 9 votes - You Tanwa @ Kingdom 57th - 9 votes - Mimino Kurumi (Milky Rose) @ Precure All Stars New Stage 2: Kokoro no Tomodachi 61st - 8 votes - Saunders Flag Tank's Gunner @ Girls und Panzer 61st - 8 votes - Satou Miwako @ Meitantei Conan 63rd - 7 votes - Stella Bremer @ Total Eclipse 63rd - 7 votes - Ria Hagry @ Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai. 63rd - 7 votes - Iseda Yuka @ Ebiten: Kouritsu Ebisugawa Koukou Tenmonbu 63rd - 7 votes - Tsukuyomi Juju @ Sasami-san@Ganbaranai 63rd - 7 votes - Ayase Chitose @ Chihayafuru 2 63rd - 7 votes - Maimaki Mai (vice president) @ Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko. 63rd - 7 votes - Nanobana Kinako @ Inazuma Eleven Go series 70th - 6 votes - Bulma @ Dragon Ball Z: Kami to Kami 70th - 6 votes - Ono no Komachi @ Chouyaku Hyakuninisshu: Uta Koi. 70th - 6 votes - Asahina Kikuno (Daisy) @ Sket Dance 70th - 6 votes - Sukinasaki Saki @ Medaka Box Abnormal 70th - 6 votes - Refined Bard Matsuo Bashou @ Sengoku Collection 75th - 5 votes - Athena (Kido Saori) @ Saint Seiya Omega 75th - 5 votes - Koami @ The iDOLM@STER series 75th - 5 votes - Belarus @ Hetalia The Beautiful World 75th - 5 votes - Potpourri @ Precure All Stars New Stage 2: Kokoro no Tomodachi 75th - 5 votes - Matsudaira Motoyasu @ Oda Nobuna no Yabou 75th - 5 votes - Yunoki Erina @ Photokano 75th - 5 votes - Youhime @ Nurarihyon no Mago 75th - 5 votes - Araki Mataemon @ Hyakka Ryouran: Samurai Bride 75th - 5 votes - Suotome Ai @ Crayon Shin-chan 75th - 5 votes - Nobi Tamako (Nobita's mother) @ Doraemon 85th - 4 votes - Satoshi's Tsutarja @ Pocket Monster Best Wishes! Season 2 85th - 4 votes - Natola Einus @ Mobile Suit Gundam AGE 85th - 4 votes - Mirajane Strauss @ Fairy Tail 85th - 4 votes - Melln @ Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? 85th - 4 votes - Kawagoe Rei @ Little Busters! 85th - 4 votes - Kashiwagi Oboro @ The Unlimited - Hyoubu Kyousuke 85th - 4 votes - Watanabe Sakiko @ Little Busters! 85th - 4 votes - Ouryou Rikako @ Psycho-Pass 85th - 4 votes - Kouenji Aoi @ AKB0048 series 94th - 3 votes - Ach @ Busou Shinki 94th - 3 votes - Ia-neesan @ Busou Shinki 94th - 3 votes - Utamaru @ Da Capo III 94th - 3 votes - Emilia @ Ixion Saga DT 94th - 3 votes - Nicholas Bacon @ Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon II 94th - 3 votes - Haruka (year 2053) @ Chousoku Henkei Gyrozetter 94th - 3 votes - Hideko @ Love Live! 94th - 3 votes - Rune Balot @ Mardock Scramble Renshou 94th - 3 votes - Rossa @ Jewelpet series 94th - 3 votes - Himemiya Saori @ Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo 94th - 3 votes - Hani Usami @ Sket Dance 94th - 3 votes - Kashinoki Kurumi @ Kono Naka ni Hitori, Imouto ga Iru! 94th - 3 votes - Senomiya Misaki @ Robotic;Notes 107th - 2 votes - Aria Rozenburg @ Hiiro no Kakera Dai Ni Shou 107th - 2 votes - Ganba Pink @ Tari Tari 107th - 2 votes - Kitsune-Miko @ Sengoku Collection 107th - 2 votes - srsr @ gdgd Fairies 107th - 2 votes - Mekki @ Tanken Driland series 107th - 2 votes - Koharu @ Bakumatsu Gijinden Roman 107th - 2 votes - Shimazaki Kaoru @ Vividred Operation 107th - 2 votes - Yuu Ren @ Kingdom 107th - 2 votes - Tsukikage Honoka @ Aikatsu! Idol Katsudou! 107th - 2 votes - Kouno Saki @ Chousoku Henkei Gyrozetter 107th - 2 votes - Raki @ Saint Seiya Omega 107th - 2 votes - Hitsuji @ Karneval 107th - 2 votes - Fuji Asako @ Chitose Get You!! 120th - 1 vote - Akuach @ Busou Shinki 120th - 1 vote - Angie (Team Plasma Member) @ Pocket Monster Best Wishes! Season 2 120th - 1 vote - Oldham's assistant @ Suisei no Gargantia 120th - 1 vote - Claudi @ Busou Shinki 120th - 1 vote - Dalnia Earheart @ Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai. 120th - 1 vote - Nastassja Ivanova @ Total Eclipse 120th - 1 vote - Percy Gaudi @ Dog Days' 120th - 1 vote - Mayu @ Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince 120th - 1 vote - Laila @ Magi 120th - 1 vote - Xiang @ Kingdom 120th - 1 vote - Kisaragi Mika (Battle Spirit Hermit) @ Battle Spirits: Heroes 120th - 1 vote - Yamashita Maki @ Poyopoyo Kansatsu Nikki 120th - 1 vote - Kinoshita Hidemi @ Btooom! 120th - 1 vote - Murayama @ Highschool DxD 120th - 1 vote - Shouji Kaori @ Hataraku Maou-sama! 120th - 1 vote - Mori-chan @ Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. 120th - 1 vote - Sawamura Ryouko @ Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu: Finale 120th - 1 vote - Akina @ Onii-chan Dakedo Ai Sae Areba Kankeinai yo ne! 120th - 1 vote - Takamura Yuka @ Rescue Me! 120th - 1 vote - Yasuko Naishinnou @ Chouyaku Hyakuninisshu: Uta Koi. 120th - 1 vote - Akano Mei @ Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru 120th - 1 vote - Furuya Maki @ Ginga e Kickoff!! 120th - 1 vote - Kazama Mineko (Kazama-kun’s mother) @ Crayon Shin-chan 143rd - 0 votes - Ganba Yellow @ Tari Tari 143rd - 0 votes - Nora Nyao (Phantom Thief Dragon Eye) @ Battle Spirits: Heroes 143rd - 0 votes - Sophia C. Friday @ Eureka Seven AO 143rd - 0 votes - Rachel Port @ Chihayafuru 2 143rd - 0 votes - Miki Reiko @ Rinne no Lagrange 143rd - 0 votes - Oozora Haruka @ Danball Senki W 143rd - 0 votes - Yamaguchi-sensei @ Ishida to Asakura 143rd - 0 votes - Mine-sensei @ Tari Tari 143rd - 0 votes - Momoko @ Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo 143rd - 0 votes - Souhei's mother @ Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki 143rd - 0 votes - Hamura Izumi @ Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo 143rd - 0 votes - Nagara Sumire @ Evangelion: 3.0 Q 143rd - 0 votes - Arata's mom @ Arata Kangatari 143rd - 0 votes - Takagi Mai @ Rescue Me! 143rd - 0 votes - Torii Natsumi @ Nurarihyon no Mago Regarding the convo about Saki and Madoka previous domination helping them this year, I think it may be possible in light of the very reduced voter base. The number of votes have been decreasing every year now, and in that case fans of series that did that well as those two in recent years may have the extra incentive to continue voting this year. Also no 1st place today huh __________________ Last edited by chaosprophet; 2013-08-09 at 09:11.

2013-08-09, 13:41	Link #394
ion475 にこにこにー Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: 国立音ノ木坂学院	8-1-1 for this round. Overall record for 1st prelim is 115-31-14. Statistic So Far (by series...I haven't do Seiyuu yet): Saki - 26 GuP - 12 Yuruyuri - 10 Idolm@ster - 9 Lovelive! - 8 Railgun - 7 (NOTE: If Index and Railgun are counted together, they have 10 girls) Hidamari Sketch - 6 Oreimo, Minami-ke, Little Busters, Ro-Kyu-Bu, Haganai NEXT, Yuyushiki, Hayate no Gotoku, MadoMagi - 5 To-Love-Ru, DAL, Joshiraku, SAO, Oda Nobuna no Yabou, Chuunikoi, Vividred Operation, Nekomonogatari - 4 Hataraku Maou-sama, Kore wa Zombie Desuka OTD, Oreshura, Oregairu, Tari Tari, Index, Seizon, Nyaruko W, Hanasaku Iroha - 3 Sakurasou, Inu x Boku SS, Sasami-san, Accel World, Oniai, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita, Tamako Market, Henneko, Miyakawa-ke, Ika Musume - 2 Leviathan, Nakaimo, Hyouka, Chihayafuru, Kanon 100%, Kaminomi, Crime Edge, Teekyuu, Magi, Precure, Kotoura-san, Dog Days, Papakiki, Mondaiji, Milky Holmes, Maoyuu Maou-sama, Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Muromi-san, Sankarea, Shingeki no Kyojin, Gargantia, Detective Conan - 1 __________________

2013-08-09, 22:05	Link #396
Team Rocket Elite Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	7-3-0 Spoiler for Preliminary 1-16 Results: 1位　202票　赤座あかり＠ゆるゆり♪♪ (Akaza Akari @ Yuru Yuri♪♪) 2位　176票　天江衣＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A (Amae Koromo @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A) 2位　176票　清水谷竜華＠咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A (Shimizudani Ryuuka @ Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A) 6位　143票　羽瀬川小鳩＠僕は友達が少ないNEXT (Hasegawa Kobato @ Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Next) 8位　107票　八神はやて＠魔法少女リリカルなのは The MOVIE 2nd A's (Yagami Hayate @ Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: The Movie 2nd A's) 12位　94票　南千秋＠みなみけただいま (Minami Chiaki @ Minami-ke Tadaima) 14位　82票　椎名真冬＠生徒会の一存 Lv.2 (Shiina Mafuyu @ Seitokai no Ichizon Lv.2) 15位　79票　塔城小猫＠ハイスクールD×D (Toujou Koneko @ Highschool DxD) 17位　72票　ユイ＠ソードアート・オンライン (Yui @ Sword Art Online) 25位　41票　笹瀬川佐々美＠リトルバスターズ! (Sasasegawa Sasami @ Little Busters!) I'm hoping the characters I support do better in second preliminaries but I think they usually do worse. __________________ A miracle that you believe in when you know it won't happen......... is hope.

2013-08-10, 00:56	Link #397
timbits Harem Lead Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Calgary, Canada	And so the curtain closes on first preliminaries with Akari~n's victory. Mafuyu sneaks by at 14th, which is incredibly bittersweet for me. On one hand that's a really disappointing performance by a former quarter finalist, on the other hand she did get in, which is relieving. Let's have a look at my initial projections and how accurate they turned out to be, shall we? Spoiler for timbits' Fail Predictions of Badness: Group 1: predicted: Toki actual: Toki Yeah everyone saw that one coming. I do not claim to be proud of this one. Group 2: predicted: Yozora actual: Yozora This one I'm quite proud of though. Almost everyone thought GuP would take it and be the beast of this tournament. Nope. That day was not a defeat for just Saori, but the entire GuP faction. Group 3: predicted: Kirino actual: Eru I said if Kirino lost to Eru I would eat my hat. I'm glad I don't wear any hats. Hey maybe the last OVA episodes of Oreimo that are being released will boost her in the main tourney? I'm just thinking optimistically at this point. Group 4: predicted: Rikka actual: Rikka would you look at that I actually got something right. Not much more of that to come, I'm afraid. Group 5: predicted: Nagi actual: Sena And I was so adamant in my argument for why Nagi would win too. I think I'm going to go cry in a corner now. Group 6: predicted: Nodoka actual: TOSHINO KYOUKO one of the two times I call for a Saki to win and it doesn't happen. They seem to love to win when I bet against them, however. I think the Mahjong gods of probability just hate me. Group 7: predicted: Nanoha actual: Azusa Well, you tried, white devil. Group 8: predicted: Homura actual: Homura not only did I get Homura right in this group, but I think I can now safely say I called Shinka being the secret ace for Chuu2. I CALLED IT. I WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT. YAY. Group 9: predicted: Ayase actual: Ayase no brainer on this one. Not a surprise at all. Group 10: predicted: Kuro actual: Yuu I actually didn't specify who I was predicting would win but since I went with Kuro in fantasy saimoe I guess that's my pick. This one is completely luck based and a coin flip, I'm convinced. Group 11: predicted: Kud actual: Sayaka AND NOW FOR THE MOST SPECTACULAR FAILURE OF TIMBITS' SAIMOE FORECASTING CAREER. where were the KEY fans? Where were the tens of thousands of people who bought Kud Wafter? WHY DOES SAIMOE HATE ME. Group 12: predicted: Hinata actual: Saten Loliball isn't as strong as I thought. Looks like mediocrity is their specialty. Group 13: predicted: Chiho actual: Kuuko OH SO TAUNTINGLY CLOSE. Why does this have to happen to me? Group 14: predicted: Miho actual: Ako I don't know what I was thinking betting against Ako. And Shizu. Suuuuuuure you didn't rig the brackets saimoe organizers. Group 15: predicted: Mami actual: Madoka Once again I choose the wrong one in a coinflip situation. Ladies and gentlemen, I am truly the greatest predictor of our time. Group 16: predicted: Akari~n actual: Akari~n Revenge is near. In total, 6/16. AND THAT'S WHY TIMBITS NEVER WINS FANTASY SAIMOE. Be right back crawling into hole in ground. __________________

2013-08-09, 11:57	Link #393
Ichuki ┌(^o^)┘モリ!┌(^o^)┘モリ! Join Date: Sep 2010	Makes me wonder if Akarin~ can get revenge this year.

2013-08-10, 02:17	Link #398
iamadooddood NOM. Join Date: May 2013 Location: Singapore Age: 31	You hit the nail for half of the first 10... and then only one of the last 6. Ouch. Good thing I'm more of a neutral (ABS though). I'd never have gotten 6 right. __________________ When life gives you lemons... enjoy reading them. Anime Saimoe Tournament 2013 is screwed up. Everyone's argument is invalid.