2013-08-18, 12:30 | Link #1421 |
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Crappy regional marketing is really the only way to explain what's going on with Pacific Rim in China versus Japan.*
I mean, this is a movie where the Chinese characters got virtually no lines, and were basically relegated to redshirt status in an actual fight, where as the heroine of the movie was a Japanese actress (not a really popular one in Japan, but still Japanese) who played a big role in most of the big action sequences in the movie. The movie went by with barely a blip in Japan, and in China it's gone on to be one of the highest grossing western movies in that country. *Though I suppose one other thing to consider is that Japan may still be sensitive to the 2011 Tsunami and Fukishima plant leak, and so a movie about nuclear powered robots fighting tsunami/typhoon esque sea monsters might not be something everyone is particularly eager about.
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2013-08-18, 12:37 | Link #1422 |
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Japan has no problem with nuclear bots in anime though, and they have animes where they have nukes in practically everything but name. I doubt the nukes have everything to do with that.
I'm still at this point firmly believing in the WB Sabotage conspiracy theory. A company known for its good ad campaigns suddenly underpromoting an expected blockbuster on the eve of the studio that created it splitting off from WB? The circumstantial evidence is so painful that it makes too much sense. That account of where apparently no one outside Tokyo has even heard of Pacific Rim kinda makes the point clear. Despite the box office numbers though, the loads of Japanese Pixiv fanart coming through before and after the movie showing kinda indicates that those who watched it really liked it, if one uses fanart quantity + quality as a measure of something's popularity. Images Also, one of the nicest looking Jaegirls I've seen so far Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?
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2013-08-18, 13:02 | Link #1423 | |
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2013-08-18, 15:51 | Link #1425 | |
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Domestically, the film has closed it's fifth week screening on cinemas and has accumulated a total of $ 98,401,000 millions. For China, the film has just closed it's third week screening on cinemas and has become absolutely non-stop reaching and breaking the $ 100,000,000 millions milestone. Overall, summing the domestic and all overseas markets, Pacific Rim up to now has made a world wide total of $384,401,000 millions. So, the movie has earned the double of its production budget, though one friend told me that this film will become a safe if it manages to reach or surpass the $ 400,000,000 millions milestone. |
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2013-08-18, 20:44 | Link #1428 | |
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But yeah, I'm also interested in how China, Russia and South Korea are different from those two
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2013-08-18, 21:09 | Link #1429 | |
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A good relief, that always kept my expectations very low about how the film performed in Japan. But seriously, too "American" they say? I think they took the film too seriously. Del Toro clearly stated that he did not intend to add or establish anything new for either the Kaijuu or Mecha genres with Pacific Rim. Rather he made the film itself to act as either a love letter or tribute poem to the Kaijuu genre. He never said his intention was to make the film to feel in such a way to garner, accomplish, and/or to capitalize on Japanese expectations. Or maybe I got sidetracked with that last comment. Hence, if I unintentionally hurt somebodys' feelings out there, then please accept my sincere apologies. |
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2013-08-19, 06:38 | Link #1430 | |
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2013-08-19, 09:06 | Link #1431 | |
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I just don't understand why people expect Japan to be an auto-win when Japan didn't even have their own robot. If I was the director I would at least swap out the Austrian one for a Japanese one at least. China $100,100,000 Russia - CIS $20,585,546 South Korea $18,186,611 Mexico $15,735,208 United Kingdom $12,567,339 France $8,322,663 Australia $7,402,438 Germany $6,033,923 Malaysia $4,920,534 Singapore $4,061,776 Hong Kong $3,981,456 Argentina $3,890,687 Philippines $3,757,203 Thailand $3,748,193 Italy $3,716,505 Japan $3,100,470
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2013-08-19, 09:18 | Link #1434 | |
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The reviews from Japanese who SAW the film are overwhelmingly positive. I read thousands.. I mean LITERALLY thousands of posts and blog entries, you know? And been following it for months, daily? Have YOU? It's just that, those who bothered to go in the first place were few, and it bombed in the box office. You do realize critically well received does not equal success, right? Right?
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2013-08-19, 09:26 | Link #1435 | |
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At this moment, Del Toros are still sitting on a razor's edge not knowing if Pacific Rim II will succeed. But if a film couldn't win on its own merits but depend on a group of "fanboys" to watch it twice or five times in order to break even, it is not going to produce a success.
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2013-08-19, 09:34 | Link #1436 | |
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I'm sure you don't. Do you need me to post the entire threads? And translate them? Otherwise you don't believe what I say? Oh, I'm sorry, of course even if I did all that, you wouldn't believe me. First. I did NOT ignore negative posts. I said the reactions were overwhelmingly positive. For maybe every twenty-thirty positive, excited reviews from geeks, there were maybe one or two "I didn't like it". How the hell did I ignore those? Explain yourself before calling me a liar. Second, those who excitedly praised the film were mainly geeks who went to see the film. Sadly, there were not very many of them, and majority of film goers (which consists greatly of girls who care not for these types of films) did not bother going to see them. I have spent, observing Japanese reactions of the film for months. Yes, it's a geek film, yes, due to that, it bombed. What you say, about the failure and whatnot DOES NOT IN ANY WAY CONTRADICT what I said. So no, I'm not arguing you on market failure, general lack of interest, or any of your points about Del Toro. Because it has nothing to do with what I said. Can you at least accept that point? I never even implied "reading thousands of positive blogs" are evidence of any real success". That's a complete failure of reading on your end bro. I wasn't talking about success at any point of the posts. I was talking about reactions of those who saw the film. Two completely, unrelated, things.
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2013-08-19, 10:07 | Link #1438 | |
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And I will assume you were some what objective, based on your sampling. And I will finish by saying the ultimate arbiter of a film's success will be its box office numbers, because it is an unbiased data that is most likely not fudged. Yes, 500 years from now on Pacific Rim might be studied by high school student as a form of art...but right now it cannot be qualified as a absolute success. Furthermore, I will argue I am not anti-Japanese over a film that is not even produced in Japan. I am actually more sad China had a box office blow out on a film that is based in Hong Kong but couldn't find one Chinese actor. Are we done now?
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I'm talking about reactions of those who watched it, and how it was received. NOT amount of people who saw it, and how it fared in box office. Basically you're arguing a point that was never disagreed on, or even in argument, yet, for some reason, keep bringing it up when it's completely irrelevant. Btw, not just blogs but mainly forums as well, thousands of posts in various forums. And public cinema review sites obviously. Quote:
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2013-08-19, 10:19 | Link #1440 | |
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Pacific Rim is just new fodder on how Hollywood is kneeling to their Chinese overlords.
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