(L+CR) Arpeggio of blue steel

[U<3Anime]

Man, I tried to finish episode 1, but just couldn't handle the janky looking CG character models. I can handle battleships being CG, but when it's poorly done character models that's a big HELL NAWWW. Who in the right mind thought this was acceptable? It looks like there are barely any frames in the character's movements. Even a show like Reboot looks smoother than this mess.

I'll try to tune in again for Takao, if not, back to reading the manga and pretend there's no such anime.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Yes, it's from a seinen (should I make that bold, colored, or huge?) magazine. I checked Japanese Wikipedia for the target audience of the magazine it's published in (Young King Ours, published by Shonengahosha). But I understand that some magazines do include work outside their main target audience. What makes this story seinen? Is it the pretty girl-ships and Iona's relationship with the MC? Is it something in the plot? Is it the age of the MC? I'm not challenging the point, just trying to understand.

I got various things wrong, but I still think this is following a typical set-up used in shounen (and related, lol) work: the less skilled (even if it turns out that he has been trained) young pilot who can do what older ones can't, partly because he has some history or blood tie that makes it possible. Scenes of older men plotting how to use the younger guy for their own ends. And a young girl (in this case also a ship) who has special power. The association of weapons with girls seems to be popular right now, too.

The reason this matters to me lies well beyond this show: I like shoujo romance, and many people put that genre down for following cliches. I like to point out that other genres have their own cliches. But I don't care in either case: anime and manga are popular literature, and get much of their excellence from developing standard memes. Cliches survive to become cliches because they resonate with the audience. Originality is overrated, in my opinion. I didn't mean to attack this show for following shounen-ish memes, just wanted to point out that it was doing it. I liked the episode.

I thought the show did a good job of telling its story. I've read just about this far in the manga, and I thought they got us going quite well, with energy and some clarity. The animation seemed fine to me, but my standards apparently aren't that high.

Demographic is vapid at best anyway. So many good manga with shoujo artwork covering seinen and shoujo themes or seinen demographic with shounen artstyle and plot.

[jeroz]

Yamato doesn't really become relevant until very later on, probably still not a bad idea to cut away the branches a bit so the narrative can be more focused.

[ZabiLegacy]

I don't think ti will be that much more focused. The reality is that as it stands the manga has enough content to sustain a twenty four episode anime. This will be a rush job of trying to fit everything in, and I doubt it will even have an ending.

[jeroz]

which is why they are already removing the plotpoints that are only relevant after the ep13 count. It probably won't help much, but at least there's less distraction in the next 11/12 episodes.

but yes, an anime original ending is still highly possible, considering the way they build up Kongou as the final boss

[ZabiLegacy]

The problem with that is that this episode proved without a doubt that the creators of this series are just not talented enough to come up with an anime original ending that won't just be garbage

[jeroz]

based on what? the things they removed?

[ZabiLegacy]

It's made by the same creative team as Danganronpa, Persona 4, and Persona: Devil SUrvivor

[Wild Goose]

Yeaaaaaaah. I'm adopting a wait and see approach.

And KyoAni would rather pander than give us Full Metal Panic T_T

Originally Posted by ZabiLegacy

She was mentioned in chapter 1

Huh. I guess I'd missed that. It's been years, anyhow.

Also, a poem by Rudyard Kipling I found. Seems appropriate somehow:

The ships destroy us above
And ensnare us beneath,
We arise, we lie down, and we move
In the belly of Death.


The ships have a thousand eyes
To mark where we come...
But the mirth of a seaport dies
When our blow gets home.

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by ZabiLegacy

It's made by the same creative team as Danganronpa, Persona 4, and Persona: Devil SUrvivor

and the biggest difference between this series and those three being that this one doesn't have to adapt the whole thing, so they can choose any stopping point they want and go a bit slower.

and seriously, P4A is excellent so that counts against your argument

[Tenzen12]

No P4 wasn't by no means excelent, but while I don't share as radical outlook as Zabi, it's clear that anime can't cover Arpeggio manga strong points and whether they can come with their own is biggist question.

And looking on first episode execution (including rewriting Gunzou and Iona characters for worse) it unfortunetely doesn't look that way.

PS: Is it just me or we will not get Hukugei 3 and it's crew either?

[RRW]

if you read the manga. you know is hard to adapt it faithfully. try to director and tell me how you adapt it faithfully in 12/24 episode?

just treat it anime original and watch for action :P

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by RRW

just treat it anime original and watch for action :P

Precisely.

To me, the potential of this anime living-up to the manga is already dead-on-arrival (DOA) when they announced Kishi Seiji at the helm and the fact that they use stiff cel-shaded animation for the characters.

Now, I’m just enjoying this series for the glorious battles, the OP, the VAs and some semblance of a plot it has from bastardizing the manga’s story. I also would like to thank the team behind this anime for adding the sub-title “Ars Nova” so that I can easily distinguish this silly entry from the actual Arpeggio of Blue Steel. So yeah, from now on, I'll just call this series Ars Nova.

All is good, and I’m in for the ride.

[bastek66]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Yes, it's from a seinen (should I make that bold, colored, or huge?) magazine. I checked Japanese Wikipedia for the target audience of the magazine it's published in (Young King Ours, published by Shonengahosha). But I understand that some magazines do include work outside their main target audience. What makes this story seinen? Is it the pretty girl-ships and Iona's relationship with the MC? Is it something in the plot? Is it the age of the MC? I'm not challenging the point, just trying to understand.

And cut, this divagation. You assumed wrong and started made up basing on some stupid shit you believed for years (You are 9 years on this board and you still don't know basics).
DEMOGRAPHY has nothing with story. It's just magazine thing that is useless these days.

[AC-Phoenix]

Wait this is from the same guys that did the Danganronpa animation?
OMG
All hope is lost

[Julio C]

Originally Posted by U<3Anime

Man, I tried to finish episode 1, but just couldn't handle the janky looking CG character models. I can handle battleships being CG, but when it's poorly done character models that's a big HELL NAWWW. Who in the right mind thought this was acceptable? It looks like there are barely any frames in the character's movements. Even a show like Reboot looks smoother than this mess.

I'll try to tune in again for Takao, if not, back to reading the manga and pretend there's no such anime.

The characters were CG models? I didn't notice that because I was into the anime. That was a great first episode, feels like another cool show that has battles like that. I honestly don't see any CGI character models that are noticeable. Very well done indeed. Maybe I shouldn't have come here and find out about it.

[ZabiLegacy]

Originally Posted by jeroz

and the biggest difference between this series and those three being that this one doesn't have to adapt the whole thing, so they can choose any stopping point they want and go a bit slower.

and seriously, P4A is excellent so that counts against your argument

If anything the fact they are adapting less faithfully makes it even worse, since before they were constrained by the quality of the games, but if the quality of the source material isn't as large a constraint, then heaven help us all.

And the reason that P4A wasn't a total embarrassment was that it happened to have been an adaption of one of the greatest games of all time, without too much ad libbing. But, the fact it was merely okay speaks to just how badly Seiji Kishi fumbled it.

Originally Posted by RRW

if you read the manga. you know is hard to adapt it faithfully. try to director and tell me how you adapt it faithfully in 12/24 episode?

just treat it anime original and watch for action :P

See, I do agree with aspects of that argument. We were never going to get a straight adaption of the manga, but that doesn't mean that all ways it could have been adapted are equal. On the end of possible adaptions this is pretty seriously low.

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Wait this is from the same guys that did the Danganronpa animation?
OMG
All hope is lost

I know the feel bro.

[U<3Anime]

Originally Posted by Julio C

The characters were CG models? I didn't notice that because I was into the anime. That was a great first episode, feels like another cool show that has battles like that. I honestly don't see any CGI character models that are noticeable. Very well done indeed. Maybe I shouldn't have come here and find out about it.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

The CG cel-shaded models look fine when they don't move, but once they do, it looks atrocious and stick out like a sore thumb. Sigh, how I wish Sunrise handled this instead. I mean even if the directing was mediocre, It would have been at least nice to look at.

Unreasonable as it sounds, at least Cyber Connect's Naruto Ninja Storm CG quality or just don't bother.

[Dark Wing]

You know I think I'm going to just sit this one out...

[Traece]

This anime actually looked really interesting to me up until I started actually watching it. I got to, "Wow! You're a total babe!" and then had to stop. An anime entirely in bad CGI is just... No. So much potential. So much...