2013-10-09, 09:54 | Link #1521 |
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The admins introduced a new rule effective starting today, any real but suspicious code can be disregarded. Which votes are suspicious are entirely up to the admin.
It rigged now.
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2013-10-09, 09:57 | Link #1522 | |
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However, you're right that the admins can rig this to their heart's content now, if they want to. So really, it's all about who they want to win.
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2013-10-09, 10:08 | Link #1525 |
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I think all the matches in Round 1 had the right results. Most matches in Round 2 had right results too but some seemed suspicious. I think all the matches in Round 3 didn't have the right results so they really need to redo Round 3 matches.
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2013-10-09, 10:18 | Link #1527 |
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J-SaiMoe's vote totals are just too low. It's too easy for people to game the system. With higher vote totals (like in ISML) it's harder to game the system. If a moe tournament gets cheated frequently (Homura vs. Mikoto in 2011, and now the whole tournament being thrown into question this year), it starts to lose credibility, which causes people to lose interest.
I think that ultimately J-SaiMoe is going to have to choose between letting the international community vote, or going obsolete. It's time to get over Desu guys. Even Rozen Maiden fans have gotten over Desu given the sales figures of the latest Rozen Maiden anime.
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2013-10-09, 10:22 | Link #1529 | |
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I think it's like uis says. Starting today, they look at all the valid codes and eliminate some of them. What criteria do they use? Only the admins know. So the matches until yesterday have the right results. It's the ones from today onwards that can be rigged.
I am also of the opinion that they should let everyone vote freely without code or anything and then after the match they can eliminate the fakes and multis using some transparent process. Quote:
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2013-10-09, 10:47 | Link #1532 |
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Predictions- Watashi and Shizuno
Picks- Watashi and Yoshino Right when I thought AST was getting revived, the Chinese and the admins forever ruined that, now I'm concerned about AST 2014 now V_V. I won't mind having a loli champion. I agree with Madoka and Saki getting hurt greatly due to this rule, they possibly might be the factions that'll get hit the hardest. Since I think some of the admins doesn't like Madoka and Saki. Won't be too much of a shocker if my prediction Shizuno loses. Last edited by Ichuki; 2013-10-09 at 11:54. |
2013-10-09, 10:48 | Link #1533 | |
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Both the old and the new method could give the "right" results (that is, votes without fakes) but the sample of voters is now smaller. And this smaller sample of voters can be biased towards some characters or series. For this reason at least, I think that we are going to see changes in the strength of some characters. In any case, the whole thing of changing the rules in the middle of the tournament is very annoying and makes me lose interest in it. |
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2013-10-09, 11:20 | Link #1534 | ||||
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13/18 and 9/18 for picks and predictions respectively... or so I'd like to say, but with the new rule and extremely reduced voting pool, which will screw up everyone's Saimoe levels (and it already is), I'm throwing in the towel regarding picking and predicting. -_-
Except for Yoshino. Just picks, of course. And maybe Sayaka. But there really is no point to this Saimoe anymore... Sorry wontaek, looks like you won't get your answers after all. At least I didn't waste time calculating something that turned out to be pointless. :\ Quote:
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That said, the whole strength thing has been thrown out the window following the introduction of the new rule, so all the info up till now is as good as garbage. For this year's Saimoe, at least. In short: your guess is as good as mine. Quote:
Sad for Chuu2 that they had to be the first victim of the reduced vote counts though. I wonder too... anyone here has any idea? Quote:
I think the draws really were purely random. Votes are a totally different matter, because AST really doesn't want foreigners to vote. The draws on the other hand aren't really influenced much, and in the end there can be only one winner anyway.
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2013-10-09, 17:58 | Link #1536 |
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Kobato wins as expected but Nodoka losing is very surprising. Perhaps that was due to the increase in voting restrictions which significantly damaged vote totals as well. Supposedly this will hurt Saki and Madoka characters so things may be looking up for those who wanted to challenge the Puella Magi.
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2013-10-09, 20:47 | Link #1539 | |||
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So Nodoka lost due to an apparent vote reversal. But it was a reversal due to increased restrictions that invalidated legit votes. As if the restrictions couldn't get any tighter we have this. Well, at least my pick Kobato went on to win even after that...
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We saimoe followers don't even have a "Triple Crown" to consider anymore with the loss of Korea's Best Moe Tournament, and I'd really hate to lose yet another crown: the oldest and original Saimoe. I thought I also saw a number of random votes yesterday for girls who aren't in the tournament anymore; aside from Biribiri some of those votes were for a number of girls from Hidamari Sketch - the tracker caught those names as "unrecognized nicknames".
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2013-10-09, 21:00 | Link #1540 |
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Mikoto Misaka fans may feel like their girl has been cheated out of a chance at repechage due to too many of Nodoka's votes being thrown out. It's a reasonable position to take, given how incredible Nodoka's vote decline is. So Mikoto fans are writing in "Biri Biri" for protest votes.
It's hard for me to imagine J-SaiMoe ever completely going away, but we're rapidly nearing a point where it's hard for me to imagine more than a few hundred voters (i.e. equivalent to the population of a very tiny rural town) actually caring about this tournament. It's a shame, because J-SaiMoe's format gives it a nice, distinct feel from ISML. I honestly prefer J-SaiMoe's basic format structure to ISML's, since I think J-SaiMoe's format structure enables for a wider range of matches and more turnover at the top end than ISML's. But nice format alone can't keep a tournament strong.
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