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Mamare on the other hand, has made many clues to explain the situation. It's not the same thing. At all. Let me repeat, it's nowhere comparable to .hack. The similarities end at vague conceptual point. And besides, I'm simply against the notion that people think SAO-like plausible modern science (by the world standard) was behind the entrapment. If it involves a higher form of fantasy - be it Noosphere theory, magic, GODS, aliens, Matrix, the flying spaghetti monster, then I'll buy it. Meaning, we're on a completely different page to begin with. Quote:
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And yes, until shown otherwise, we generally have to accept a character is a reliable narrator of events which they observe however I'm not saying they aren't unreliable narrators, I'm pointing out that Shiroe aggressively and intentionally goes out of his way to point out that he knows jackall about the nature of Catastrophe; same as all the other characters. What he uses is a working theory to inform his decision making ("I assume this all to be real so I won't act like a jackass") and not an objective truth about the world. One is character knowledge and the other is meta-speculation. |
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2013-12-31, 14:26 | Link #63 |
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You totally miss the point.
I'm not telling you to take shit literally, or for granted. I'm telling you, that since we are not GODS or Mamare himself, we rely on "information given". The information given may be red herring, or wrong, but that's WHAT WE HAVE. As opposed to what we don't. You cannot sit there and keep claiming that things you fantasized takes precedence over information given, when there's nothing backing it or founding it. There are evidences against your "fantasy". But there's no evidences supporting it. I give up, you really have no idea what I meant by meta or storytelling. And trying to explain it will result in mod deletion. Just gonna /ignore the rest and carry on, like I said, without being able to present available info, this thread is pointless anyways.
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The only statement I haven't addressed is the one where Shiroe, or somebody, says that the technology to suck people into a game doesn't exist in their original world because I can't find it and see the context, nor have you provided it beyond mentioning that it's there. |
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For the last time. I'm not saying it's the objective truth. Jesus Christ, I've repeated this.
I'm saying that's all we have for now. "They could be wrong" does not equal "They MUST be wrong because I have a better idea!" It's not about Shiroe. It's about YOUR stance.
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He's pretending to not understand this, or.. I dunno, I don't wanna call any names.
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Also please stop putting words in my mouth because I have never once advanced any position as better than another. What I've been saying is that neither is superior to the other and that your claims that the virtual theory can't be right is unsupported, not that your position of the alternate universe being more likely is wrong. Quote:
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None of that meant anything substantial. Not having a concrete answer does not equal everything is fair game, or equally plausible you know? Don't pull this zen BS on me bro, there are such things as likely and less likely. There are MOUNTAINS of evidences that makes your "theory" far less plausible than the alternative. But I cannot give them out. I am entirely crippled by the rule of the thread. And since I cannot present my case here, I'm calling quits. Keep your pet theories, whatever, I don't care.
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2013-12-31, 15:52 | Link #70 | |
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I'm also fairly certain you aren't actually reading what I'm saying because you're still insisting I have a theory when I outright stated that I don't, not unless you count "both base theories are unsupported and not addressed" as a theory. |
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1: They are sucked into another world via magic. 2: They are trapped in an actual game. Theory one assumes magic is the cause of this ordeal. Where does the magic come from? The world of Elder Tale, with its confirmed presence of magic. Theory two assumes some form of technology captured the people inside the game. Where does this technology come from? No idea, because there is no sign whatsoever of earth's technology being above our level. Neither theory is proven, but one side's theory actually works with the world as we've seen it so far, while the other has nothing to even provide a basis for the theory. |
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2013-12-31, 21:47 | Link #72 | |
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I was under the assumption that the ET world is based on the game, because the setting of ET world is based on earth, yet it's half gaia and all that make the physics somewhat incomplete. And how the society evolved into such status is quite questionable. Zone information have "Server" entry which only make sense when there is a server. But then the ET world we see right now has history, every Lander have their life, and the society is actually there. (perhaps we should leave the history part until next week) So I think it IS a reality, but probably based on the game. To think outside the story, the whole genre is based on the idea that a virtual world is a reality of its own right, even if it is running on some servers. Just that in Log Horizon this alternative reality seems to be running outside the game, which leads to the question of how did the history of ET world come to existence. But it still can be the case that the game was actually an interface to the ET world instead, given enough reasoning. |
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An alternate world advocate can say "Magic brought us here", and wave a wand around to prove the magic transportation theory isn't totally unreasonable. A virtual reality advocate can't really point at the aliens or Nanomachine powered super computers that could hypothetically be responsible for the current situation.
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Or maybe this ET world , just part of shiroe dream wkwkwk.
Maybe the truth is....shiroe just fell asleep in front of his PC while patching elder tale . And he having a dream about trapped in ET game ( maybe its because , while waiting the update is finish .shiroe watch SAO or .//hack LOL ) Its sound ridiculous , but if mamare make this kind of ending....everyone gonna lose their mind . And this ending became "the biggest troll in anime history" wkwkwk |
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Then, i'll propose theory number 3.
They all just a bunch of soul/AI with a fabricated memories. The adventurer got a memories of living in a "real" world playing a game named ELDER TALE. And in other side, the lander got memories of living in a fantasy world called ELDER TALE. Both of them aren't human. The one who behind all of this is the actual human. So, in other words. They all just a bunch of data inside a Database. Database. Just living in the database... wow... wow... (the wall of pure fiction's cracking in my head...) ok... ok... sorry... yeah, we're ready for the punch line! |
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Actually I think use the manga as a basis is not a good idea. Because in the setting documents the official settings and parallel works settings are marked in different colors. But it doesn't harm to take it as a reference of one of the more likely possibilities.
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If Elder Tales is real (and all the not yet quantified magic and supernatural stuff in it), then you have an explanation for how the Apoc might have happened, even if you don't know the specific details. At least you HAVE examples of magic on hand to back up the theory. If Elder Tales is fake, well... "Hypothetical Aliens/Espers/Wizards are tricking us to believe we've been transported to a magical world" is much more convoluted than actually just being in a magical world. Namely since you can't actually demonstrate evidence that these alternate Aliens/Espers/Wizards actually exist.
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