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I can say the same for the drama scene, after K-dramas got popular outside of Asia, Taiwan cashed in/ride on the drama fad. Japan never cashed in on the drama fad. On streaming sites like Viki, Hulu, Crunchyroll, and Dramafever I could find less then 10 J-dramas when I could find over 1,000+ K-dramas and 55+ Taiwanese dramas. There's other criticism about Japan's restriction of pop culture export: -Japan aggressive takedown of fan-uploaded J-pop MVs on Youtube. It's very much easy for me to find fansub K-pop MV (the same for Chinese pop). Korea and Taiwan don't have that ridiculous draconian copyright laws and anti-piracy laws like Japan has. Japan's strict law on music is the reason why J-pop couldn't go global, that and Japan's xenophobic practice is the reason why I don't see AKB48 doing a Korean-language or Chinese-language album. -Japanese labels don't upload full MV and not in HD on Youtube, Avex upload full PV most of the time but not always. Most of the J-pop MVs I've seen are short and not in HD. Johnny's Entertainment doesn't have a Youtube page. Meanwhile Korean labels and Taiwanese labels do make use of Youtube and a lot of them are getting more views then J-pop. -On Itunes (in the US), it's hard for me to find J-pop. I could only find Kyary PAmyu Pamyu, Perfume, Morning Musume, Ayumi Hamasaki, Namie Amuro, Angela Aki, Koda Kumi, Passpor, and some other. But I can't find other J-pop music on Itunes, I can't even find AKB48 (other then one of their song from wreck-it Ralph soundtrack). I can find a lot of K-pop and Chinese/Taiwanese pop music on Itunes avaliable for me to download. It may not be a competition now, but a few years from now there's going to be other emerging wave from other Asian countries that could rival South Korea's K-pop and Hallyu. Taiwan is very likely to do this, if Japan is not taking this seriously they'll fall behind. Japan will have no choice but to export J-pop and probably their idols will have go to Korea and get training so they can match with K-pop. I like to add that I met several former J-pop fans that said they quit J-pop because they felt like Japan doesn't give a damn about their international fans, and Japan's ridiculous restriction on music export and how it's hard to find J-pop MV on Youtube. I look at Japan and I'm concern J-pop may not have groups that could rival some K-pop one: I can't find J-pop that could hold candle to BigBang: I can't even find a group in Japan that could rival 2NE1: I can't find a group like BigBang or 2NE1 in Japan. I don't know who in Japan could rival or hold candle against G-Dragon or T.O.P There's other K-pop group that you can't find in J-pop: Miss A (I can't find a group like this in Japan) 4minute (I can't find a group like this in Japan, Who's Japan answer to Hyuna) BTS (no group like this exist in Japan) B.A.P (this group I don't think you can't this in J-pop) EXO (you can't find a J-pop group that can sing in Japanese and Chinese, where EXO can sing in Korean and Chinese) As I said, 5 years from now I think Taiwan could make idol groups that could rival their K-pop equivalent. It wouldn't surprised me if future Taiwanese idols go to Korea and sing in Korean like how K-pop group sing in Chinese when they enter Chinese/Taiwanese market. |
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2014-02-20, 04:28 | Link #143 |
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They don't need to globalize or export because jpop has their customers who pay in their own country. And they have potential customers who are born in their own country everyday. Even if the population shrinks the people who will die will not be buying/downloading jpop anymore. They are too old. It is the new generation of Japanese that will buy.
Japan doesn't need to be rivals with korea and friends. Jpop doesn't need to replicate kpop "artists" either. They will try new, original and the usual jpop ways to try and appeal to new fans. Why can't you understand this if you're truly concerned about jpop? The way I see it, you're just posting kpop videos and going nostradamus about jpop dying and kpop achieving god status here to be honest. |
2014-02-20, 13:42 | Link #144 | |
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Explain why US being the #1 music market still export their music around the world, when Japan being #2 doesn't export music outside of Japan?? Well the Chinese and Taiwanese are doing this sending their idols to Korea to get the same training, explain why. The birthrate in Japan is so low so there may not be enough new young people to keep the market in Japan alive. I'm worried Japan may fall behind because as I said, K-pop artists are more talented and they're getting more global recognition and there is no doubt that other Asian countries like Taiwan may try to replicate a similar wave. As I said, it's hard to find J-pop MVs on Youtube because Japanese labels don't embrace Youtube and I can't find a lot of J-pop on Itunes in the US the same way South Korea, Taiwan does it. Japan's strict anti-piracy and copyright laws make it hard for fansubbed J-pop MVs to be uploaded. I mean what's wrong with J-pop being able to sing in Korean and Chinese, if K-pop artists can sing in Japanese and Chinese. J-pop artists singing in Korean and Chinese=more talented and can be able to compete with K-pop. As I said, Europe has more money then Japan and US combined according to a interview with SM Entertainment Deputy manager. I don't understand why J-pop doesn't target the European market. |
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2014-02-20, 19:08 | Link #145 |
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I don't get how hard it is to accept that Japan doesn't want to globalize. Do you honestly think if they sing in a different language, they're gonna be popular all of a sudden. Jpop is already popular without resorting to those methods. I'm really sick of hearing about low birthrates about Japan. You act like they're gonna become extinct. You should stop bashing Jpop and just enjoy listening to Kpop.
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Overall, I don't mind asking for a very civil debate without the kind of crap that has derailed the whole thread. And seriously, mdo7, I'm also getting fed up with the particular manner you're replying here. Just lose yourself somewhere and restrain yourself for a while for everyone's good if you don't want to get a ban. |
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-South Korea getting more attention then Japan. K-pop gaining more fanbases then J-pop is getting. -Billboard making a column for K-pop, and K-pop act topping Billboard World Album chart, and topping Itunes charts around the world. Also including topping various charts in South America. -Other Asian countries like Taiwan, China, and Indonesia sending their idols/artists to South Korea to get K-idol style training and debuting back home indicating a similar ambition to start a wave like the Korean Wave. It doesn't help Taiwan is sharing a similar ambition to South Korea of wanting to replicate a wave. -Other Asian countries like Taiwan, and China except Japan have started to export more dramas outside of Asia not only to cash in on the drama fad that K-drama caused, but to get people attention and attract people to listen to that countries pop music. It seem to be working for Taiwan. When you see that Japan is not taking their neighbor competitiveness seriously, that is a serious concern. As a long time anime fan, I show concern that I don't want Japan to fall behind their neighbor. South Korea has already impressed the world with K-pop and K-culture, The Hallyu/Korean Wave is the first of it's kind from East Asia, I never seen anything like The Korean Wave from other part of Asia. There is no doubt of the Hallyu, other Asian countries may use that as a inspiration. Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Indonesia music market are too small to survive it's own so they may try to replicate a wave so people outside of Asia not only to bring in more revenue, but to attract these fans to go to those countries whic generate revenue from not only music, but tourism too. Japan can cash in on it if they can globalize J-pop, and have their idols sing in multiple languages to show they can compete and challenge K-pop. I agreed globalizing J-pop can help bring more money to Japan's music market and help raise their GDP which has been stagnating, that and Japan's tourism can benefit a lot if they globalize J-pop for international audiences. EDIT 1: Also you know what would help J-pop, a big J-pop concert as big as K-pop concert (ie: SMTown Live World Tour, United Cube, and Music Bank World Tour). I found out there's going to be a big K-pop concert coming to LA and it's for free BTW and it'll have the biggest K-pop act like 2PM, SHINee, SISTAR, Girl's Day, and more artists will be announce soon. If Japan and their music industry make a big J-pop concert outside of Asia and have it fill with big name in J-pop like AKB48, EXILE, Hey! Say! JUMP, SCANDAL, and other you can think of. Then J-pop can be able to catch same wildfire like K-pop did. As a matter of fact, I think Taiwan may try this too in the future. Last edited by mdo7; 2014-02-20 at 21:04. Reason: Adding something else |
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2014-02-20, 23:54 | Link #148 | |
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Japan exports music though. What are you talking about There are some jpop MVs everywhere. You just don't know where to look because you are lazy or not a jpop fan. There's nothing wrong with the Japanese singing in Korean/Chinese. It is just that jpop has nothing to gain in the Korea and Chinese markets. Why go to other countries where you can gain more profits for the same amount of effort in your own turf?? Your pathetic if you believe one single interview from one entertainment agency. And Europe consists of many countries....imagine the expenses... |
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2014-02-21, 00:06 | Link #149 | |
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J-Pop in general isn't on iTunes USA because it's too easy to "reverse import" the music. Songs cost 250 yen on iTunes Japan. That's not a possible price tag on iTunes USA. Why do you think Aniplex USA's prices for physical products are set the way they are?
K-Pop doesn't face a similar problem with its home market prices. You want to blow up the Japanese music industry's business practices when there's no guarantee your ideas would generate more revenue or more positive attention. In fact, I'm pretty sure many of your ideas would poison the Japanese music industry to death. This is what happens when you force someone to sing in a foreign language. I can do with less of this and I'm sure all the current customers of J-Pop would agree. Besides, some Japanese record companies do export some of their music. Quote:
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2014-02-21, 02:12 | Link #150 |
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Last week, Girls Generation and 2NE1 Korean comeback was widely anticipated in the US and around the world. I mean Fuse TV made it a big deal. That article was really popular for 3 days since it was posted up on Fuse TV.
Billboard made it a big deal too. Girls Generation's new album has already charted high in 11 countries and made it on the US Itunes top 5 album since it came out. The same happen to 2NE1. You don't see Kyary Pamyu Pamyu or AKB48 comeback getting this same level of attention in the US (and worldwide) like the same way 2NE1 and Girls Generation get. That's my concern for J-pop, that and other Asian countries except Japan is showing a similar ambition to replicate it's own hallyu wave. I don't see Japan sending their idols to Korea to get the K-idol traning nor Japan wanting to ride on the same success like K-pop is getting, I mean Taiwan, China, Indonesia, and Thailand are going to try to pull this off since Korea is becoming an inspiration to those other Asian countries except Japan. Also I remember reading an article from Seoulbeats and this part got my attention when I read it: Quote:
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2014-03-04, 20:02 | Link #152 |
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Yet, is there even a point of discussing this hypothetical situation that Jpop would benefit from expanding towards the West?
Convincing (or atleast trying to) us would not help anything to improve this socalled "dillema" because we don't have any power to change anything about it. Also the reasons why Japan should not try to expand it's audience seems just as valid to me, because if there were no risks involved then Japan would have already done that |
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