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Heck, what you'd call a mascarade is itself a sign of subservience. She doesn't have to wait on him. She doesn't have to "pretend" to serve him. She does because she wants to. Quote:
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2014-04-10, 15:23 | Link #23 |
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I feel like the author himself knows that his characters are too awesome. Even lina and takuma go through existential crisis that goes along the line of "why are Japanese high school students so strong"
Though I don't think this has anything to do with wish fulfilment. The characters are well developed (like, I actually care about more characters than just the main and his supporting characters) and they seem to be actually trying to send a message rather than simply being a power fantasy. |
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I only started SAO LN recently but I don't see why you consider Tatsuya has no problem and is not a fleshed out character. He is fighting precisely because he wants to keep his normal life, the life he leads is not even the one he wanted.
You may be irked by the fact that he didn't lose but that doesn't make him a wish fulfillment character. You can like a character because he is cool, that's common, if you think all cool characters are WF characters then I agree with you. What really is a WF character anyway? |
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2014-04-10, 16:09 | Link #28 | |
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It's not just about his victories or coolness. It's about how the author is trying to push him on us as cool. It's about his completely overspecced existence. (He's a student, a soldier in some secret battalion, a rich inventor. All that before entering high school. Where does he find the time?) Usain Bolt may be the best sprinter in the world (or is it someone else now?), but it's not like he's all that much faster than second best. Or tenth best. Tatsuya's the kind of guy who'd run the 100m in 5 seconds while everyone else in the world is stuck at almost 10.[/QUOTE] It was mentioned he didn't even need to go to school. He has been raised as a guardian all his life and was working on CAD too, then he started to learn taijutsu at 13 and is still training. Everything he accomplished is justified and not impossible. And aside from his genius intellect, he is not particularly better than anyone( I am not even talking about his superpowers here). |
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As for CAD... He's not just a good tinkerer. He's probably the best designer in the country. Better than any of the adults. He already solved one of the so called "Three Great Problems". You think that's normal? |
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2014-04-10, 16:43 | Link #31 | |
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And I meant "justified by the plot" in the sense that he was written with a specific set of powers that advance the idea of magicians=weapons and how they could get there. The example you gave could also make for an interesting plot depending on how it's written. A character who's strength is justified by the plot doesn't give the author a free pass in the actual writing of the story so maybe it is the way the author went about the writing of Tatsuya's strength that leaves you unsatisfied?
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2014-04-10, 20:16 | Link #34 |
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Well i was just thinking that isnt it weird that Erika is a course 2 student?
I know Leo will always be one hes a fortress series and a bs mage but Erika isnt supposed to be a BS mage and if we are talking about genetics Erika should be superior to Shizuku due to Shizuku's mom is the only magician while his father is a bussiness man. Chiba's one of the strongest swordsman clan in japan and most likely the world. And she has genes of a direct decendant of Rozen who is famous around the world for their invention of cad and probably they have enough magic ability according to Tatsuya someone must be adept to magic to be a great engineer. Well Erika maybe on genius level in sword due to her being the only one who can use Yamatsunami. And only been practecing the sword for only 3 years since the start of the series. The only thing i can think about is that Satou-sensei have something in mind putting her in course 2 or is he trolling? Btw Erika is part of the top 20 in theory exams. Edit: wrong grammar.
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As in "wow, he might really die this time (plot armor notwithstanding)". Quote:
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But the thing is, Course 1 students are tested for basic specs, and Erica's apparently aren't that good. It's like, they're trying to sort student-athlete, but they test things like muscle tone and lung capacity. Erica's a great soccer player thanks to her excellent ball control, but her tested capacities are bad. Also, what the school wants are generalists who can play lots of sports, but Erica's only really good at soccer. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2014-04-11 at 00:58. |
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From vol 1: "...The evaluation of magic technical skills only includes Invocation Speed, the scale of the Magic Sequence, and phenomena rewriting ability."
Range isn't in it. So if he's good at those, and there's no reason to think he isn't, that makes him a bloom. |
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His best magic is Self Marionette. There's no arguing about the invocation speed there, but with regards to scale, it can't be that big of a scale if he's limited to range zero magics. Phenomena rewriting ability is probably the strength and stability of the magic. Scale would probably be with regards the "scope of what it affects" |
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