To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 10 Discussion / Poll

[Miraluka]

Form 1 and 2 borrowed elements from fictional beings classically associated with lightning.

Many called it.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Not really because those so called gods, mocks Aleister for sticking only on science. They even mock him with the "stain on the diary" thing which leads to Aleister summoning his blasting rod and begun blasting them.

Plus the realm those so called gods is the one Aleister tried hard to enter.

Othinus can't feel them but she can feel Aleister.

In that part you can say the Aleister and Othinus are still in the same realm but those so called gods are in higher realm.

On the other hand, these "magicians" has absolutely no idea on how science work. They are no less than a bunch of buffoons who just feel like to act cocky and in reality had no idea on how Aleister's power truly works.
If the entity in Sahara really turned out to be Choronzon that Aleister had summoned, I am pretty sure those "magicians" are going to regret what they say pretty soon.

BTW, Aleister is clearly a level higher than Othinus. He was be able to penetrate the "black phase" that Othinus can do nothing about.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by shmaster

On the other hand, these "magicians" has absolutely no idea on how science work. They are no less than a bunch of buffoons who just feel like to act cocky and in reality had no idea on how Aleister's power truly works.

Which makes them no different to any enemy we saw before

If the entity in Sahara really turned out to be Choronzon that Aleister had summoned, I am pretty sure those "magicians" are going to regret what they say pretty soon

Maybe. But if that was true, Babalon must be somewhere putting his bitch(Chrono) in check.

, Aleister is clearly a level higher than Othinus. He was be able to penetrate the "black phase" that Othinus can do nothing about.

That was obvious since NT9.

[Ap1001]

Actually this group known Aleister for a long time, since the first thing they said after seeing Aleister is "that's a face we haven't seen for a long time", in a kind of old friend tone (the narration confirmed it). So Aleister knows them and they know about him, I don't think they would have no idea how his power work. A lot of people in the Chinese forum also think they acted cocky and isn't strong, but I'm not sure if it really is ignorance and Aleister used his magic name so maybe these guys are really dangerous and at his level.
As for science, it really is unsure whether they don't know about the kihara kind of science (which is the robots and chemical), or the kind that Aleister is messing with. Then again I don't think what Aleister is doing actually qualify as pure "science", and kihara science is useless at this power level. So they not knowing that much about science don't really take off any mark in my book (even espers are questionably science).

[bakato]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Not really because those so called gods, mocks Aleister for sticking only on science. They even mock him with the "stain on the diary" thing which leads to Aleister summoning his blasting rod and begun blasting them.

Plus the realm those so called gods is the one Aleister tried hard to enter.

Othinus can't feel them but she can feel Aleister.

In that part you can say the Aleister and Othinus are still in the same realm but those so called gods are in higher realm.

What "stain on the diary"? The Book of Law?

Originally Posted by Ap1001

Actually this group known Aleister for a long time, since the first thing they said after seeing Aleister is "that's a face we haven't seen for a long time", in a kind of old friend tone (the narration confirmed it). So Aleister knows them and they know about him, I don't think they would have no idea how his power work. A lot of people in the Chinese forum also think they acted cocky and isn't strong, but I'm not sure if it really is ignorance and Aleister used his magic name so maybe these guys are really dangerous and at his level.

Aleister is a little over 100 years old though. So at most its probably been around 50 years since they last saw each other.

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Many called it.

I don't get what form 2 was supposed to look like. A harpie?

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Ap1001

Actually this group known Aleister for a long time, since the first thing they said after seeing Aleister is "that's a face we haven't seen for a long time", in a kind of old friend tone (the narration confirmed it). So Aleister knows them and they know about him, I don't think they would have no idea how his power work. A lot of people in the Chinese forum also think they acted cocky and isn't strong, but I'm not sure if it really is ignorance and Aleister used his magic name so maybe these guys are really dangerous and at his level.
As for science, it really is unsure whether they don't know about the kihara kind of science (which is the robots and chemical), or the kind that Aleister is messing with. Then again I don't think what Aleister is doing actually qualify as pure "science", and kihara science is useless at this power level. So they not knowing that much about science don't really take off any mark in my book (even espers are questionably science).

You are contradicting yourself. Since they have lost contact with Aleister for some time now, how are they going to suddenly to have perfect understanding over the power Aleister posses now.
Kihara science not working at Aleister's level? Your forget the Agitate Halation project? Density Computer is an ascension ticket to Aiwass' state of being if perfected.
These buffoons are just making a fun out of themselves in mocking Aleister when they don't even know what they are talking about.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by shmaster

You are contradicting yourself. Since they have lost contact with Aleister for some time now, how are they going to suddenly to have perfect understanding over the power Aleister posses now.
Kihara science not working at Aleister's level? Your forget the Agitate Halation project? Density Computer is an ascension ticket to Aiwass' state of being if perfected.
These buffoons are just making a fun out of themselves in mocking Aleister when they don't even know what they are talking about.

I'm guessing the last time they met was the time Aiwass was summoned before vanishing his presence from the magic side. But this doesn't means they didn't see what he's been doing, at least not within Windowless Building, that thing has something else.

[Phibrizzo]

Pew... that was a lot of catching to do... and lol at accelerator wank and medaka box

[Ap1001]

I'm not saying they have perfect knowledge of all of Aleister's plan, but I also do not think they are total Buffon and ignorant of what Aleister is attempting to do. People seem to be butthurt that Aleister is not standing totally alone at the top anymore, but I would think it becomes more interesting. Also agitate was aimed at "heros" not "gods", what it was trying to accomplish was not the same. I'm not saying these new guys override Aleister's spot as the ultimate mastermind, but they certainly are not buffoons who have no idea what they are talking about. As for the science thing, let me just say that Aleister don't possess their level of ability to use magic as well, since he ditched the thing half way and was having problem accessing these beings plane. So I guess that even both side out, I really don't like having over confident characters (that's what number 2 was for), but so far these character don't give me the totally ignorant vibe. So unless Kamachi says otherwise, I would hold them to have some credibility and status.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Ap1001

I'm not saying they have perfect knowledge of all of Aleister's plan, but I also do not think they are total Buffon and ignorant of what Aleister is attempting to do. People seem to be butthurt that Aleister is not standing totally alone at the top anymore, but I would think it becomes more interesting. Also agitate was aimed at "heros" not "gods", what it was trying to accomplish was not the same. I'm not saying these new guys override Aleister's spot as the ultimate mastermind, but they certainly are not buffoons who have no idea what they are talking about. As for the science thing, let me just say that Aleister don't possess their level of ability to use magic as well, since he ditched the thing half way and was having problem accessing these beings plane. So I guess that even both side out, I really don't like having over confident characters (that's what number 2 was for), but so far these character don't give me the totally ignorant vibe. So unless Kamachi says otherwise, I would hold them to have some credibility and status.

Aleister had trouble even talking to them? These guys must be no joke.

[Kenju of the Right]

Aleister isn't untouchable
The guy whose plans are getting screwed up by Hamazura,
can't keep a leash on Touma,
was forced to come out to Russia
and has Laura on his trail now

[Miraluka]

I also doubt Kamachi is that dumb to make real gods to play the idiot ball.

[Hiss13]

On another note, here are the translations of Haimura's notes on his site.

Spoiler for NT09 cover:

Volume 9 cover. You could say I got off easy with an all-black background due to the world turning pure black at the end of the last volume, but don’t.
Although after reading Volume 8, I think Othinus on a black background was the only option for Volume 9’s cover. What do you think?

Spoiler for NT10 cover:

Now for the Volume 10 cover. Simply put, this is the “opposite” of Volume 9, so I considered having Kamijou on his own, but I decided to have him protecting Othinus to directly connect to the double-page spread at the end of Volume 9.
There’s also the fact that a guy-only cover is extremely difficult to put out for a male-oriented light novel, but with the precedent of Volumes 15 and 19 that may not have had much to do with this decision.

Spoiler for Birdy and Little Gungnir:

Leivinia’s polar outfit & Little Gungnir. I added a vest, coat, and boots to her normal dress.
Little Gungnir was made fancier and smaller so Birdway could easily wield it while a size smaller than Othinus.
Just like Leivinia, Mikoto was wearing a duffle coat this time, but I didn’t make a design rough for it because I only realized she had changed clothes after finishing the monochrome roughs.
You should know what I mean when I say that fact had to do with the remaining time before the deadline.

Spoiler for Worlds Beta & Omega:

I didn’t make many design roughs this time, so I’ll comment on some of the illustration roughs instead.
This is the rough for Volume 9 4C 3 Front aka Volume 9’s color three page foldout poster. This illustration has the quite rare composition of flowing from the left to the right. That’s why the characters are looking and facing to the right.
It doesn’t really matter, but I was originally planning to put Kihara Kagun in Shokuhou-san’s panel, but he had only been in a few illustrations and only one that really showed his face. I thought no one would recognize him if he was in a suit and glasses as Kagun-sensei, so at the line drawing stage I changed it to someone people would recognize: Shokuhou-san.

Spoiler for Human vs God:

The rough for Volume 9 1C 4 aka Volume 9’s fourth monochrome illustration. I originally imagined the scene at dusk or sunset like a Western shootout, but I changed it to night because I’d overlooked the fact that the text said it was at night.
All of Volume 9’s 1C illustrations were double-page spreads, but that was partially to reduce the number of illustrations due to lack of time (there are normally 8 and Volume 9 had 5).
It’s also a remnant of a half-joking (although surprisingly serious) suggestion of mine to have four consecutive double-page spreads with the thrown Gungnir destroying the “world” over all eight pages.
If that had actually been used, none of the other scenes in the novel would have gotten a single illustration and there would have been 8 consecutive pages of illustrations right after Gungnir was thrown at the end.
Looking back, that would have been a bit much. Yeah.

Spoiler for Touma and Othinus vs The World:

The rough for Volume 10 4C 3 Front. I used the usual table of contents space to make an extra wide surface.
The president is straying from the intentions of my hand and brain and becoming more and more like Fate/Zero’s Rider. …I need to do something about that.
In this volume, the scope of 1C Illustrations was increased by 1.5 for a total of 12. I was already short on time to work, so the opening illustration & 3 Back Map (table of contents) was done by Itou Tateki-san (http://www.colorwords.net/). I would like to use this opportunity to thank him.

Spoiler for Touma vs Annihilatus:

Rough for Volume 10 1C 3. This is Vasilisa’s first 1C illustration appearance. We’ve already seen her from behind in the past 4Cs and I enjoyed that view a little too much.
While Volume 9 had all double-page spreads, Volume 10 had a single illustration for each chapter, so the structure here was different too.
I really need to stop making suggestions that only end up strangling me.
(There was actually a possibility of omitting the Five Over illustration (Volume 10 1C7 )).
…But it was decided it wouldn’t be any fun without an illustration for the representative characters of each chapter.

Spoiler for NT09 Cover Rough:

Volume 9 cover rough. As I said above, there wasn’t any other option but Othinus on her own for this one!
I think it would have been a disappointment to suddenly put another character here.

Spoiler for NT10 Cover Rough:

Volume 10 cover rough. The setting and character selection decisions here were similar to Volume 9.
By the way, I bet a lot of you are wondering why I keep talking about not having enough time in these descriptions, but one of the reasons is given in the illustrator comment for Sword Oratoria 2.
“Oh, so this is what you call stealth marketing!” <- You can’t exactly call this stealth.

Not sure if I was beaten to the punch, though....

[bakato]

Now that you mention it. The President does look like Rider.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by LG-MAX

honestly, I'm so angry that I do not have arguments to use against you, and looks that you are the most hated guy in the topic. All spoilers that came out of the volume was horrible, I hope that at least Touma save some scenes.

Lol. All these discussions are making me laugh. Look, just read the spoilers. It's always way better with Kamachi. And there has also been a marked trend since NT6 that the plot material has been getting worse every volume (or at least is easier to mess up and write badly) so the stuff that Kamachi somehow manages to pull off when you read his work completely sucks when anyone else summarizes it. So read it first before you drop. Please... I'm sure Kamachi is still Kamachi. he didn't suddenly become bad and write the worst book ever on the most important book in the franchise after a long time. Yes, the spoilers except the end also turn me off a bit, but I honestly know better by now. It will be amazing. The more controversial it is before you read it, the more you have to read it. It is a good strategy in the end:

Books that can be easily summarized can be skipped. Anything he writes can never be skipped, because if you read the summaries they pretty much always make no sense and leave out all of the good writing and intricate details. Maybe arguably he could make good summaries from his stuff, so it might be possible, or maybe he writes his stuff so even he can't make a good summary. That would actually be pretty hilarious. I kind of want to make a trope... Unsummarizable or something. It really is true though... In fact, I am going to make one. The trope where pretty much everyone hates any summary of a book or books in a book series, but loves the book when they actually read it, and this applies even to the hard core fan base. Maybe if it becomes a trope it'll finally sink in to readers.

Also, as far as whether or not the gods are weaker than Aleister, I do think they likely knew him from when he decided to quit magic and move to science and it has to do with his broken illusions. That I feel pretty confident about, so I expect the gods to be very powerful. On the other hand, I expect them to not know about at least some of his scientific advancements since he left their group. That they know about Aiwass is a bit... Bad for him I guess, but I'm guessing NT6 Accelerator thinking about Aiwass was foreshadowing this. Academy city has to do with the Gods somehow in all likelihood. This can mean that maybe they are big opponents.

I think though that of course Accelerator and Touma will be very important soon enough. God and the one above god will likely both be important soon enough. Aleister Crowley is part of Thelema and seems to have of course the name Beast666 which was the title the real Aleister Crowley also associated with himself.

While I agree that the gods likely don't know everything about Aleister since he seems to want to beat them badly and thus prepared a lot and waited a super long time to bring this complicated plan to fruition. They probably knew about him when he was the strongest magician on the magic side. Which means... That they will likely be very formidable foes. Also, if choronzon is in the Sahara, then what exactly is the invisible thing supposed to be?...

[Phibrizzo]

Quite honestly I have stop trying to make head of tails of summaries after NT 06, honestly the summary sounds horrible, terrible and was by far one of the coolest novels.

[Kenju of the Right]

Birdway's outfit and her new weapon look cool as hell

[Bakaizer]

Originally Posted by Kenju of the Right

Aleister isn't untouchable
The guy whose plans are getting screwed up by Hamazura,
can't keep a leash on Touma,
was forced to come out to Russia
and has Laura on his trail now

and speaking of laura i wonder what's her stand towards the situation. based on the summaries she wasn't even mentioned i think

EDIT; loving the illustrations. it really takes some effort. ANother award for this year perhaps?

[dragon1412]

i got my copy right now and the only things i can say is : Kamachi strike again!!!

that aside, this is not my Othinus shipper hype but pretty much right now no girl can challenges Othinus position, in the last scene, compare with Mikoto and Index scene, show that Touma clearly have a different reaction towards normal girl and Othinus.
Overall, the volume is really good, arguably at NT9 level.

[Kenju of the Right]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

i got my copy right now and the only things i can say is : Kamachi strike again!!!

that aside, this is not my Othinus shipper hype but pretty much right now no girl can challenges Othinus position, in the last scene, compare with Mikoto and Index scene, show that Touma clearly have a different reaction towards normal girl and Othinus.
Overall, the volume is really good, arguably at NT9 level.

wooo baby, i cant wait