2014-06-18, 05:57 | Link #641 | |
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if anything, this brings this to a full circle seeing how tokaku made a pretty moronic(at first) decision. but still, it does have the better logic at determining if she was manipulated or not. cause from the sounds of it, the power can only slow down/loosen the enemy instead of stopping them, and it only brings a strong feeling of protection for the other people around them. this is really the best way to be sure of it, had tokaku just remained idle she'd never know it, she could remain by haru's side but how would she be sure she does care? indeed, if you consider taking out the shipping goggles, it makes sense considering how quickly tokaku just got moved to protecting haru. I accept this a bit easier than you guys because the relationships here are pretty, well, weak id say. not quite as strongly built like the manga. there's the subtly/small interaction that was cut off, that wouldnt really impact the plot, but it would effect how strong the bond of the two would be. haru, throughout the anime, has turned quite gullible as well as letting her guard down too easily not only on the other assassins but also haru(like the library bombing incident... why oh why didnt you insist haru to wait it out). its a lot different in the manga, as tokaku has really shown to be sharp and careful. even around haru, where she tries to probe her for information and knows that there's a lot more into this situation than what she's been told. BUT, tokaku still continues to protect haru. this is pretty important to note, that despite all of those suspicion she still keeps it up. if the manga tried to pull up what the anime did here, id also be skeptical like you guys. however, as it stands, this is the anime so its a lot more believable to me. haru and tokaku's bond is fairly weak in the anime, id say the manga has the better one even though the anime is way ahead. also, im with the belief that this is an anime original direction, the manga probably does things a lot differently. also, listen to tokaku's teacher. the guy pretty much already made a good advice for tokaku to follow.
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I hope you're not referring to her decision to protect Haru because that decision was based on an obvious and understandable fondness for Haru, and that decision clearly worked out in the end. Seems like a sensible decision to me. Quote:
I agree with Anime Online - There's no real way to tell the difference here. You can search your own heart, but even then, it's possible you'll miss something. It's also theoretically possible that Haru is using some form of mental manipulation to plant incorrect ideas in Tokaku's mind. Quote:
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Here's the cold, hard truth of the matter, as I see it - The anime wanted some pretext to have a Haru vs. Tokaku conflict. Fine, I get it. I get the "plot twisty!" appeal to the idea. But you could have come up with a much more compelling scenario to make this happen than what's being used here. Here's an idea that I think would have been way better: Nio tells Tokaku that it's impossible for both Haru and Tokaku to survive. Only one person can graduate Class Black (Nio herself would be an exception to the rule since she's just a facilitator for this event). Tokaku has to choose between killing Haru, or sacrificing her own life. A tearful Tokaku initially chooses her own life over Haru's, and the two fight - So yay! We have our very understandable and tense pretext for Tokaku vs. Haru. Now, during the fight Tokaku finds herself unable to deal the finishing blow. Nio shows up and says, "So, you can't finish her off, eh? I hope you realize that means you'll have to be executed once the school year is over if Haru doesn't kill you herself." Tokaku replies "If that's what has to happen in order for Haru to live, then so be it." Haru cries dramatically over Tokaku's deeply moving choice/words here. Nio then reveals "Good job, Tokaku, you passed the test!" Tokaku and Haru both go "Huh?!" "The Primer must have a protector willing to die for her. That person who's willing to die for her will hence become her protector going forward." Nio says. Yay! Happy, strong yuri ending.
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2014-06-18, 20:38 | Link #645 | |
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In any event, don't you think what I suggested would be more sensible than what we are in fact getting?
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2014-06-18, 20:50 | Link #646 |
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Or something like that happens and I can't remember well but TV tropes must has the exact term(can't remember it well because I'm not into it that much). Oh yeah, kind of about it being sensible but not emotional to me though. |
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it looks idiotic at first, but then you consider the logic on how its one of the best ways to reveal the truth. Quote:
from what's been shown at least, the ability is only able to let the assassin go easy on her, so far nothing has shown to suggest that it has made the assassins themselves abandon their objective and protect haru. it seems to only really work on bystanders or people who's close to haru, otherwise there's not much need for bodyguards or anything at all since you could just stop the assassin. Quote:
said this before already, but in the manga, tokaku is not that all taken in with haru. she still protects haru, but has her suspicions, as she should be due to her background. she's consistent in being a trained assassin, but has shown to have a good heart to be protecting haru even when in doubt. Quote:
well thats not a bad thing for me though, as it would certainly make a good alternative from what you guys seem to like. anime tokaku is pretty out of league in the yandere department though, perhaps if it was the manga one... Quote:
I believe tokaku believes that haru genuinely cares for her as she's already seen her good nature even with the other assassins. but she's doing this to prove to herself she honestly cares for haru. Quote:
no not really, I believe that both the anime and manga are doing a tokaku vs haru in their own way. im just saying its anime original since the reasons and situation would probably be different considering how the manga focuses a lot more into the humane aspect while the anime is more into the assassinations. to put it well, for the manga, I think the reveal about haru would be different, or have more reasons than how the anime is doing it(having that special power). it would lead to other reasons for conflict, perhaps even haru would initiate the conflict instead. Quote:
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2014-06-20, 12:33 | Link #654 |
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Last episode really is something. The Azuma weilding katana is actially the real one wanted to kill Haru, Nio pretending to be Azuma save Haru from the real Azuma and kill her later on. From the start i thought the Azuma appeared from the start is fake, lol seriously she is the real one !!
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2014-06-20, 13:25 | Link #656 |
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A titanium rib? What? Nobody ended up dying either. I was surprised to see the two from the Romeo and Juliet episode still alive. I thought one was poisoned and the other was stabbed. The ending was really nice. Solid finale.
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2014-06-20, 13:49 | Link #657 |
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The fact that everyone was alive is really a surprise and the fact that Haru manage to survive was also a surprise and it was stupid.
The part with Azuma and the fake Azuma (Nio) talking while fighting was really confusing. In the end I could wish the ending was better.
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2014-06-20, 14:42 | Link #658 |
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That was ridiculous. The Tokaku who tried to kill Haru was the real one. Haru survived due to being lucky. Then the two still had a great relationship and no explanation was given? The riddles were also less than meaningless in the whole show. In the end the guy with the dices didn't do anything in the plot.
And everybody survived? That's just cheap, especially for the two Romeo and Juliet girls. Some of the girls got kicked out from Class Black very early on and they still "graduated"? |
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