2014-07-20, 22:39 | Link #1401 | |
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I think Trillram wouldn't give her the chance to contact Cruteo. He would have scraped her just like Rayet's dad and those terrorist if Marito's Navy didn't show up in time to distract him.
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2014-07-20, 22:41 | Link #1402 |
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I dunno man I dunno a grenade launcher is a grenade launcher you can't go around that.
Speaking of which I just realized something, since TrillRam is dead that means that the orbital bombardment Count Saazabum was doing will still go through no? He said he would lose communication once he was aligned and Trillram bought up the issue that it'll be seen as an attack on Cruhteo? Be interesting to see how that goes. |
2014-07-20, 22:44 | Link #1403 | |
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*Rule of Anime and the Universe. (*See No Game No Life for more info lol) I think their sleeping on Cruhteo. That guy's probably cutthroat in a classy way. Cruhteo would be the type that would sip on his 50 year old wine while Saazabum tries to cover up his betrayal and suddenly Cruhteo slams his cane on the floor to shut him up like Odin in the first Thor movie.
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2014-07-20, 22:50 | Link #1404 | |
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So Asseylum is special. Fine, great. I'd just like the narrative to explain why she is that way. Let's even put Episode 3 aside for a second - Why does Asselyum so far appear to be the only Martian to not have a single racist bone in her body? Even her own attendant seems to think a bit lowly of "old humanity". How the heck does the Princess of a racist supremacist society manage to be like she is? There's a lot of fleshing out I want to see on the Martian side, because it just doesn't add up for me right now.
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2014-07-20, 22:50 | Link #1405 |
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The person in charge of series composition wouldn't be able to do whatever he pleases if there's an original creator and the said person did the script for the first three episodes. It's almost impossible that the person in charge of series composition and Urobutcher didn't collaborate on a close basis.
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2014-07-20, 22:51 | Link #1406 | |
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#2 seems to be a great way to get in contact with your side if you don't mind taking on a certain amount of personal risk. Ideally you would "mess up" the op at some safe point and command whoever's inside the mech to take you back to a fortress. Firing the smoke grenades I would just consider a requirement to not look suspicious, and it's largely speaking giving time for civilian non-combatants to get out of the combat zone. The somewhat odd bit out if anything seems to be that she was determined to allow them to try and complete the operation successfully. If she'd jumped out of the transport with a line more like "I'll end this now" it would lend more credibility to the idea that she was trying to return to martian forces. #3 seems like it wouldn't work out very well, though you can clearly see the attendant would prefer that option. Staying put means being taken with the civilians to "safe" zones meaning further from the front lines and "allied" forces. It's not a bad solution if you plan to essentially wait out the war and emerge once your side has conquered the world, but clearly that's not what the princess wants. Big question for me is how many people saw the princess? Inaho's close enough to see her right on the monitor while Slain needed binoculars, but could Inko have seen her through the sniper, Calm via the drone or someone on the hovercraft? If it's just Inaho and Rayet I can see how the earth military isn't going to find out about her right away, but there's got to be a limit on how many people know the martian princess is among them before someone who wants to use her finds out.
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2014-07-20, 22:52 | Link #1407 | |
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This is probably not the best analogy but to compare it with Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire, shit has gone down and the princess has no idea if she can trust her father's knights. P.S. I'm basing what I've said on the assumption that Asseylum is aware of internal strife among the martian knights. |
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2014-07-20, 22:53 | Link #1408 | |
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In any case I wonder if the staff are going to keep hyping each upcoming episode as something revolutionary and monumental in an attempt to guide and hopefully incite more positive reactions to the episodes out of the audience cause they've been pretty damn hands on and aggressive with the promotion for the show leading up to and during these opening episodes. Personally I'd be more than okay with them toning it down a little on the hyping front for a bit and just allowing the series to take it's course a little, speak for itself and for people to make up their own minds about it, but I get the sense they're afraid that if that were to be the case people might not end up liking it as much or something. To give people a sense of what Original Creator can mean, all Gundam series must by law and contract list Yoshiyuki Tomino and Hajime Yatate as "Original Creator" despite the former having absolutely nothing to do with the conception of the majority of them and the latter just being a pseudonym for the collective efforts of whatever team is working on a Gundam show at Sunrise at the time. It really can't be used as any sort of significant guideline as to exactly how much involvement a person has in a given work or not, but just indicates that they came up with the concept and pitched it at one point or another. |
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2014-07-20, 22:54 | Link #1409 | |
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As for Asseylum knowing, no I doubt she knows. Rayet seems to be a hardened person as is, so a large exclamation of shock probably isn't in her nature, and that was obvious in those few moments they were in that car together. Plus Rayet actually was shocked, she had no idea the princess had survived, so there was nothing to indicate her giving anything away.
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2014-07-20, 22:56 | Link #1410 | |
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Hurry up and get in that mech, Slaine!
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2014-07-20, 23:00 | Link #1411 | |
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Even so, I could roll with that. It would actually be one of the more believable reasons for her being the way she is.
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2014-07-20, 23:09 | Link #1412 | |
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To this day, it still hurts watching "that" scene.
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2014-07-20, 23:14 | Link #1413 | |
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Given the amount of time the Vers have existed, it is impossible for anyone to be dumb enough to believe they're a legitimately separate race than the humans of Earth. That means someone had to have initiated a pretty wide-spread information purge/propaganda to brainwash their people into thinking otherwise. Both of these together indicate to me that Asseylum is privy to information that the rest of the Vers are not. She knows and was taught that the Vers came from Earth originally, and being an intelligent woman can put 1 and 1 together to deduce she is no different. Thus the lack of racism.
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2014-07-20, 23:21 | Link #1414 | |
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I'm guessing Rayet will probably side with the Princess and Terrans for now, since what good would it do her if she tried to assassinate the Princess again, especially after what happened to her father. I also wonder why Asseylum didn't show any sadness or remorse watching her own fellow countryman get killed by groups of foreign people - unless she suspects the Mars noblemen are up to no good in the first place.
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2014-07-20, 23:32 | Link #1415 | |
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Also, since this confirms that Cruhteo is one of the 37 knights, it also means that the knights do go back and forth from Mars, and also that if so, Mars government obviously lets them do as they please, and thus whatever insubordination they commit by staying in the Satellite Belt is completely ignored, and disregarded. It looks like our Earth heroes will be traveling on the battleship, the UFE Wadatsumi Base with the 4th fleet. What happened to easy names like "Archangel" ? Also, one interestingly worded bit of information caught my attention. "The first VERS Emperor is Ray Regalia, succeeded by his son Gillsaia. Princess Asseylum is Gillsaia's posthumous child. Until the second contender to the throne is announced, Asseylum remains the sole inheritor to the throne. Ray Regalia retired in 1997, but returned as the emperor after Gillsaia's death." I thought it would be a given that Asseylum is the heir to the throne and that they were just waiting for her to come of age. Yet, they explicitly leave it open that a second contender for the throne may appear? Could their be a hidden Martian royal among our cast? Could Asseylum's not be as heir apparent, as we thought?
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Wow, this thread jumped a bunch of pages since yesterday. Not reading all of that, so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
Very nice episode, in my opinion. There were a couple of times when I was yelling at the screen (when Inaho was explaining the shield and didn't mention that there must be other gaps to let signals through and when Slaine was hesitating about shooting Trillram), but they resolved both of those complaints very nicely. Trillram's death was the most satisfying death I've seen in an anime in a long time. Really hoping that Asseylum's little light show was an application of advanced technology. Quote:
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2014-07-20, 23:39 | Link #1417 | |
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I'm of the belief that she hasn't "sided" with the UFE or anything, however, she will correct wrong where she finds it, even from her own men. And she holds what her nobles have done as her responsibility. Also, she knew that Trillram wasn't going to die. Even if they go through the barrier and shot him, the mechs physical shape and thickness protected him from any real harm. She probably also knows a little more about Nilokeras than the others, since she's been living on Cruhteo's castle for months, and they had to give her a tour. I don't think she suspects the nobles yet, but we'll see. I'm through trying to guess what Asseylum is thinking, I'll just wait to see what she does next next week and judge her thoughts and actions from there.
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2014-07-20, 23:46 | Link #1418 |
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Hmm... While this is a war story, I don't feel that much of a 'Survive by all cost' tone. The same with Gen's other works.
One has to wonder what seperate the mech with their atomized barrier. The water scene make me thinking: Air, vacumm,...? |
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Historically the civilian government is often distrustful of the military, especially if the Military is lead by powerful leadership. In the US the president is commander in chief, but in other countries the Military generals are powerful enough to disregard the civilian government. We've just had two incidents where the military overthrew the civilian government (Egypt, Thailand). Aside from external invasion, China's entire history consists of regional forces overthrowing the Emperor or the Emperor killing off regional lords who might threaten his reign. In Aldnoah, we're told that 37 Lords defied orders to return to Mars. We're shown that some of them are prepared to fight one another. These hints suggest that the VER Empire might have lost control over some of these forces, which would give the Princess reasons to be on her guard. Quote:
Crutheo: Loyalty from a loyal subject to ruler, maybe some bit of affection due to personal reaons Slain: Infatuation/Love. Trillham/Boss: Wants to kill her, sees her as an obstacle to their own agenda Maid: Considers her a God because she inherited Aldonah's power. There's nothing regarding whether or not she might have been a good ruler. She doesn't even talk about it herself, aside from her dream of making peace with Earth. So why would you expect her to have specific character traits just because she has the title of Princess? Your entire gripe with her character is that her actions are out of character assuming she's what's you consider to be a 'good ruler' but there's nothing in the show so far to suggest that those characteristics are part of her character. |
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