Sword Art Online II - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

for that to happen

1. there would be more then 1 Death Gun
2. real life name and address of the victim.
3. form ep1, the autopsy stated they found normal abnormal.

1 is easy,
2 would require either DG to be one hell of a hacker or someone who work for the GGO company.
3. what kind of weapon/ways of killing someone would undetectable to current autopsy techniques?

2 must be true in either case.
3 In either case the culprit is using a system that causes heart failure without leaving any traces that would rule out natural causes.

The biggest problem would be 4: how the culprit can not leave any trace on the crime scenes.

But I think it is as much as unlikely as killing with a machine that is not supposed to be harmful through online means and not leaving any traces of hacking.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Nobody is thinking that perhaps the victims are killed IRL and that the shows that Death Gun puts up on GGO are just a scene to make people think he's doing it online?

I haven't ruled that out yet.

If they were killed Real Real life, the only way to kill them that would make it look like heart failure is cynide because its hard to trace and is barely being tested for.
I can assure you that after 3 deaths of that kind they'd start testing for it though.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

for that to happen

1. there would be more then 1 Death Gun
2. real life name and address of the victim.
3. form ep1, the autopsy stated they found normal abnormal.

1 is easy,
2 would require either DG to be one hell of a hacker or someone who work for the GGO company.
3. what kind of weapon/ways of killing someone would undetectable to current autopsy techniques?

Ad 2)
As Jan-Poo said he'd had to be just that either way. We also got a hint regarding that during the computer scene.

Ad3)
Mostly poisons, cynide is said to be hard to trace, but I'm pretty sure it is (barely)tracable and just not tested for.
It can't be poison though because --> see below

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

2 must be true in either case.
3 In either case the culprit is using a system that causes heart failure without leaving any traces that would rule out natural causes.

The biggest problem would be 4: how the culprit can not leave any trace on the crime scenes.

But I think it is as much as unlikely as killing with a machine that is not supposed to be harmful through online means and not leaving any traces of hacking.

If poison is being used 4 is easer than 3.
However poison can't be used since the deathshot was timed, which is impossible using poison.
Lets as an example assume the poisoner was the milk man - how would he know when the vitctim drank his milk?
It can't be while the Amusphere is used as the rest of the body is in an unreceptive state during that time.
So a timing like that only leaves he Amusphere as weapon.

Originally Posted by weirdguy

What exactly do you mean by "safe"?

And it starts burning in a person's pocket because of the trapped heat, inside the pocket, which causes the phone to overheat. Have you heard of the recent story about a girl's Galaxy S4 burned up under her pillow while she was sleeping?

The phone needs to cool off.

It started to happen wehn smart phones came up, and most incidents I know of regarding cell phones starting to burn up for whatever reason are related to IPhones.

I could find only one instance where something similar has happened with an HTC device, and that didn't catch fire but just got hot as hell.
I use a HD7 myself and especially when using the internet it can get hot - I've never seen it burning hot though, so yeah the number of incidents must be related to the manufacturer

[Xellos-_^]

assuming it is poison how would it be administer?

None of the victims has any marks on them. So they weren't restraint while poison is pour in their mouth.

[Oroboro]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

2 must be true in either case.
3 In either case the culprit is using a system that causes heart failure without leaving any traces that would rule out natural causes.

The biggest problem would be 4: how the culprit can not leave any trace on the crime scenes.

But I think it is as much as unlikely as killing with a machine that is not supposed to be harmful through online means and not leaving any traces of hacking.

Obviously, the killer was a witch and used magic to do the killings.

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On another note, in regard to GGO's aiming assist system, I think it's important to remember that GGO is an RPG as well as an FPS. It's by design that the ease of the bullet circle system is effected by any given players stats / skills / equipment, rather than a true "player skill" based game.

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On buggy design, I assume the authentic manual controls are really more of an aesthetic choice from the game developers rather than a practical one, similar to the details they put into all the guns.

[maelstormCaT]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

@Krono Thanks for answering my nagging questions.

My post you replied to was a response to MaelstormCat’s post who said “That is a manual bike!!! by 2025 manual gear is ancient!! Hence not many people can drive it!!!”. Which, from his words, I got the impression that it applies to the rest of the world in SAO-verse, not just Japan. If that’s true then why would anyone provide gamers with transportation facility that can only be used by those skilled in riding “ancient” bike? For example, if you're an online game designer, would you provide a communication-facility only for those who knows how to use rotary-phone? Unless it's some kind of mini-game, I think it's a waste of resources.

Hm... I'm not 100% sure why the put in those manual buggies, however, I can tell you that they are really really fast. Maybe because they're super fast the game dev put limitations on it?

Let me quote a few more lines from the VN okay?

Spoiler for VN Line:

"That’s because it’s
said that vehicles with gas engines will not be allowed in a few years..."

"...I lowered my
head and get the gear on the foot lever to the maximum. The engine let
out a *KA-A-A-A-A-A-AN* roar, and the speedometer showed about
200km."

Any other questions? I'll try to answer the best I can as a LN reader.
Won't spoil future plots though...

[Mizaki<3]

I love the new season but since I'm used to starting a new series a lot of the time I finish them in 1 night so I'm itching for the next ep I love how kirito reacts when someone wants to buy his account and he checks if he has boobs >u<

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Oroboro

Obviously, the killer was a witch and used magic to do the killings.

I don't believe that! Say it in red!

Originally Posted by Mizaki<3

I love the new season but since I'm used to starting a new series a lot of the time I finish them in 1 night so I'm itching for the next ep I love how kirito reacts when someone wants to buy his account and he checks if he has boobs >u<

That wasn't really a certain method to determine his avatar's sex, he could have ended up inside a pettanko.

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

Kayaba was through in the details

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

Definitely in SAO. Did you forget Kirito & Asuna's first time prelude scene?

[Jan-Poo]

There you got a very easy way for female players to get money in GGO...

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

assuming it is poison how would it be administer?

None of the victims has any marks on them. So they weren't restraint while poison is pour in their mouth.

If you want us for the sake of the argument assume it was poison you wouldn't have any marks because you can't move your body anyway while using the amusphere.
From what we have been shown you are basically helpless.

That being said there are countless of methods to poison them while the culprit would be not even in a 25 meter range.
So yeah as I referred to above - the problem of the 'howdunnit' is more timing the perfect timing than administration.

Originally Posted by Oroboro

Obviously, the killer was a witch and used magic to do the killings.

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On another note, in regard to GGO's aiming assist system, I think it's important to remember that GGO is an RPG as well as an FPS. It's by design that the ease of the bullet circle system is effected by any given players stats / skills / equipment, rather than a true "player skill" based game.

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On buggy design, I assume the authentic manual controls are really more of an aesthetic choice from the game developers rather than a practical one, similar to the details they put into all the guns.

There is no Magic outside the game world in the SAo universe other than illusions, witches don't exist and thus couldn't have entered the room to kill him, let alone give him a heart attack.Knox 2 All supernaural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I don't believe that! Say it in red!

Meh I just sealed that red up...

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

That wasn't really a certain method to determine his avatar's sex, he could have ended up inside a pettanko.

WHen thinking of chests he thinks of Asuna lol.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

If it is really an american game I doubt it.
Recently a VN released on steam, I go click it my first thought --> Meh ecchi well lets see what people on its forums think about its story.

The result of me checking that was either people asking the devs for hentai scenes or people trash talking the game down saying it shows whats wrong with the anime industry (Which isn't 100% wrong tbh).
Either way, I looked up some of those guys game library for fun afterwards and look what we had here.

GTA IV, Counter Strike II, Zombie games ect. - those people actually thought that game deserved the 'may contain nappropriate content warning more than his blood and gore gamesm and he wasn't the only one. -> murican hypocricy.

Its been ~ a month since it released and I still don't know if the story accounts for enough to consider it worth spending the money on it, despite the Echhi scenes.

[screaming4vengence]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I don't believe that! Say it in red!



That wasn't really a certain method to determine his avatar's sex, he could have ended up inside a pettanko.

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

that would have been my first move to check. its slightly less odd than shoving your hands down south in front of someone

[Oroboro]

IIRC, the author mentioned in one of his notes or something, I don't exactly remember where but that early alpha testers for SAO were rather disturbed by their lack of "equipment", so to speak, so they added it in to make players more comfortable. (And probably other reasons too.)

[AC-Phoenix]

Sorry forgot something earlier...

Originally Posted by Oroboro

On another note, in regard to GGO's aiming assist system, I think it's important to remember that GGO is an RPG as well as an FPS. It's by design that the ease of the bullet circle system is effected by any given players stats / skills / equipment, rather than a true "player skill" based game.

Actually someone posted an author interview earlier stating that kirito couldn't drive the bike because of his Racing game experience but because of his real-life experience driving bikes, so it does more than one might think.

Its partly also shown in his testshot since the circle was pretty much right on the target.

[Krono]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

Technically yes. The main justification for gender locking avatars is that it's mentally detrimental to people to go running around as the wrong gender long term. Logically you'd have the same problem if they were gender neutral avatars aside from some bumps on the chest. Missing parts are missing parts after all.

That's not to say the developer allowed people to cyber. It was prevented by default in SAO, and the option to disable it didn't appear until Kayaba turned it into a death game. So logically even with the Seed inheriting the code, it would be disabled unless the developers specifically went out of their way to enable it. Which they wouldn't do for all kinds of legal reasons.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by maelstormCaT

Hm... I'm not 100% sure why the put in those manual buggies, however, I can tell you that they are really really fast. Maybe because they're super fast the game dev put limitations on it?

Let me quote a few more lines from the VN okay?

Spoiler for VN Line:

"That’s because it’s
said that vehicles with gas engines will not be allowed in a few years..."

"...I lowered my
head and get the gear on the foot lever to the maximum. The engine let
out a *KA-A-A-A-A-A-AN* roar, and the speedometer showed about
200km."

Any other questions? I'll try to answer the best I can as a LN reader.
Won't spoil future plots though...

Tbh, the bolded reason is still kind of flimsy. But if logic fails, we can always turn to the obvious answer which is: the author just provided the means of transportation that can’t be used by many except for the male MC in order to make him look cool to the female MC. In other words, “Why the buggies are there? Just because ”

Anyway, thanks for your reply, maelstorm.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I don't believe that! Say it in red!



That wasn't really a certain method to determine his avatar's sex, he could have ended up inside a pettanko.

He should have checked more down there... wait... are avatars in SAO, ALO and so on "equipped" for Cybersex?

He probably had enough information otherwise... but he just needed that for being sure.

Also, maybe this is why Sinon is so self-conscious within GGO besides everything else?

[Blackshadowman]

His face really suit even in Female appearance!! Sugoi!!

[ZeHeL]

finally the season got more exciting..

just wondering... why is the starting money of GGO not enough to buy weapons for starter players..

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ZeHeL

finally the season got more exciting..

just wondering... why is the starting money of GGO not enough to buy weapons for starter players..

it is. Kirito Convered his ALO character over to GGo and was thus at max Level when he first entered the game.
A level 1 player would probably have enough to buy weapons and armor with those 1000 G