2013-09-16, 03:48 | Link #2541 | |
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I think the Emperor was simply impressed by just how ruthless Lelouch had become, since Britannia is all about cutthroat competition for the throne. It's what Charles apparently honestly hates about Britannia too, but also what is necessary to obtain power and probably comparable to his own actions in years past. V.V. also remarks (in another episode) that Lelouch reminds him a bit of Charles. Not sure if we can say that means they predicted or manipulated his every move to do what you've said, one way or another, but at the very least they were observing him closely. |
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2013-09-16, 10:15 | Link #2542 | |
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With Charles I just feel they give off so many "Everything is proceeding exactly as I have forseen it" vibes, like Lelouch getting Geass in the first place, which to me implies he had to factor into Charles plan somehow. I mean obviously Charles knew about Code R and could have acted at any time to secure CC, but I felt they made it out so that Lelouch and CC's meeting had been planned. |
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2013-09-16, 15:00 | Link #2543 |
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I kinda would want to make this topic its own thread, but I don't think this subforum is active enough to warrant it, but I'm kind of curious about re-imagining the Chinese Federation.
Tbh I think their portrayal in R2 is a complete derailment. In R1, though rarely seen, was alluded to being an analogous to the irl PRC (Charles line about the 'Equal distribution of Wealth'), and I felt like having some sort of Communist Dictatorship as the Third Great Power as a balance against Britannia was interesting. But in R2 they're turned into this racist caricature of Imperial China, with a Loli Empress and friggin Eunuchs running the show. Honestly I would have rather seen the initial idea developed. That doesn't mean China can't have an Empress; I was thinking instead of the Eunuchs, the power in China would be the Communist Party bureaucracy, with the Empress as a figurehead. The Empress would still be young, but more like late teens or early 20s, and be a shrewd political operator who uses her limited powers to her advantage. I'm not really focused on how R2 would be changed to accommodate it, I just feel that a more nuanced China would've benefited worldbuilding. |
2013-09-16, 15:28 | Link #2544 | |
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Am myself doing some work on the Chinese federation in my fic called Colorless Memories sidestories. which I'm with a fanfiction writer called NSBleach00 who writes the main fic, Colorless Memories it's on fanfiction. As he has a Chin arc coming up in his story. Plan to go more into the Chinese federation, show some of their secret service men had a hand in things, as I'm currently doing an arc on Zero rebuilding a liberated Japan, where I will have the Chinese watch how things are proceeding in Japan, where I'm going into the Kyoto houses (especially Kirihara) and show how Japan had problems before Britannia conquered it, since the main character of Colorless memories is Rai from lost colors and his family in this fic (Kaguya's family the Sumeragi's) have a link to Geass that stretches back a long way, plus hint of how Genbu's actions before Britannia invaded helped to screw relations up between china and japan. Should be great to explore which I am enjoying doing. more worldbuilding as you would say. But yeah your right, china was a totally wasted part of Code Geass along with the EU as well. |
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2013-09-16, 15:51 | Link #2545 |
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I just don't like the structure that's presented in R2. The Eunuchs are just stupid, the Empress is PedoBait, and most of the characters just represent this very exotified idea of China. I think they had planned on China being more down to earth, as implied by the speech at Clovis' funeral, but that was thrown away with all the rewrites for R2.
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2013-09-16, 16:15 | Link #2546 | |
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You can't say the same thing about the Chinese Federation. No matter what they do, further official works are restricted by the fact it's ruled by a child empress and a bunch of evil Eunuchs. Thus I didn't care for China's portrayal either, but it's honestly way outside my area of expertise or personal experience. |
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2013-09-16, 16:19 | Link #2547 | |
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Anyways I don't think the Chinese Federation will ever be explored because of those reasons. Whereas EU and Britannia have much more room for depth, the Chinese Federation is just a collection of tropes about Imperial China thrown together. All I'm saying is it would've been cooler if they had went with what seemed to be the tone of China in R1 instead of throwing it out. |
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2013-09-17, 22:03 | Link #2548 | |
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In my opinion, the High Eunuchs were fulfilling the same role the communist bureaucrats did in their countries. The nation operates under a system that supposed makes everyone equal and distributes resources equal. However, the High Eunuchs/Bureaucrats are the only ones prospering while the masses suffer due to government policies. |
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2013-09-18, 10:29 | Link #2549 |
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The Communists brought back a country from being bullied by imperialist forces to one of the super powers of the world. So you can not compare Chinese bureaucrats with eunuchs. They did have initial hardships as it is to be expected after the war but they got back up okay.
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2013-09-18, 10:43 | Link #2550 | |
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2014-04-17, 12:02 | Link #2551 |
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Confused about the Emperor's plan and how CC fit into it
Hi, I just finished watching an episode of Code Geass R2 and I'm confused. I haven't finished the entire series yet so no spoilers please. But I would like this episode explained to me. It's the episode where Lelouch kills the emporor and his mother and foils the emperor's plan. However, I don't completely understand the emperor's plan. What where his goals exactly? And secondly, the thing I'm most confused about, how does CC fit into all this? Why was it essential for her to die for the emperor's plan to work? What was her part in the plan, and how did she get caught up in it?
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2014-04-17, 13:16 | Link #2552 | |
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C.C. was originally supporting the plan, until Marianne died. She ran away after that, but then they tried to find her. It seems the plan requires two immortals with the Code to guarantee that it will work, though they didn't go into the exact details. I just assume that they would become mortal once more after the plan finished or die during the process, perhaps "using up" their immortality as part of the ritual. It's essentially magic, so there's no need for a scientific explanation. Last edited by Kusaja; 2014-04-17 at 16:39. |
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2014-04-17, 14:19 | Link #2553 | |
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2014-07-30, 10:55 | Link #2554 |
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I wonder, does anyone know when Funimation will actually get around to releasing the rescue of this series? They've been sitting on the rights for about a year now. I can understand waiting for Akito to finish before dubbing it, but what of R1 and R2?
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2014-07-31, 01:39 | Link #2556 |
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Not sure if they ever did answer that.
The only thing I can remember that references it was when the reporter that joins Lelouch remarked about how it signified nothing. Zero might mean that Lelouch became something out of nothing, but someone else here might have a different take on it or actually know the answer. Been quite awhile since I've watched the show.
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2014-07-31, 03:26 | Link #2557 |
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SHould I watch Code Geas, even though i saw the ending by accident?
should I still watch the show?
I stumbled upon the climax of the show when I saw a scene involving a certain character and a sword. should i still bother considering i now know the ending? |
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I've run across other people who also saw the ending first and then still watched the series. So ask yourself: do I want to see how things got to that conclusion or not? |
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1) Yes it is a symbol now. 2) No, it would seem she broke the Geass via her own willpower. 3) No, there are multiple codes besides CC and VV according to the official manga "Renya of the Dark" which is part of the anime's timeline. How many is unknown/not told to the reader.
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