(CR) Nobunaga Concerto

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Moe Connection

I read up to chapter 11 in Chinese. They did change quite a bit. For example,

Spoiler for comparison to the manga:

instead of just mentioning Nobunaga going to Kyoto,the manga does devote an entire chapter having him travelling there and meeting the Shogun.

On the other hand, they also cut out the actual Battle of Okehazama in the manga itself.

Meh... I don't really think they're cutting that much out. Also, episode 4 was very nice 10/10.

I'm now totally used to the style and I actually think it looks really cool. I'm sad that I was critical of it earlier because I really liked it now. This is one of the better shows this season IMO. It's nice because I really like Nobunaga history and this is probably the best rendition I've seen of it in a LONG time.

[leongsh]

I'm keen on Episode 5 as we will get to see what's going on with the real Nobunaga. I think he will come back to provide political assistance to Saburo. The ED had him back-to-back with Saburo. I'm assuming that means Nobunaga will cover Saburo's back while Saburo fronts the “collaboration".

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by dniv

Meh... I don't really think they're cutting that much out. Also, episode 4 was very nice 10/10.

I'm now totally used to the style and I actually think it looks really cool. I'm sad that I was critical of it earlier because I really liked it now. This is one of the better shows this season IMO. It's nice because I really like Nobunaga history and this is probably the best rendition I've seen of it in a LONG time.

They actually cut quite a number of chapters.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Moe Connection

They actually cut quite a number of chapters.

I think they're doing it not in order rather than actually cutting chapters. I read a bit of the manga too you know. Also, it's indeed possible that since they have so many different renditions of this series and it is such a high-profile project that different versions of the story will be present in each adaptation, which is why we aren't necessarily getting everything in each individual one.

[Hooves]

I will say this anime has been an interesting ride so far. I'll certainly keep following it for now, it still just feels strange to me with the animation and such.

[Grifis]

Saburou sure impressed me with his ingenious strategies. Eventually he may even be as good as my other tactical genius hotties. Adding him to my tactical hotties harem is just a matter of time.

Ep 4 was great. It's too bad I didn't get to see how he won the battle but Saburou's interactions with the others made me laugh. "What is a rida?" "Good job", thumbs up.

[leongsh]

Episode 5.

Saburo gave his porn mag to Matsudaira Motoyasu (future: Tokugawa Ieyasu), then named as Matsudaira Takechiyo when he was a kid. XD Later in the episode, Motoyasu informs Saburo that he is changing his name to Tokugawa Ieyasu which, of course, catches Saburo by surprise as it dawns on him who this loyal supporter of him is XD

This is the first time that we really see that time has passed a few years.

There's a new kink happening towards the end. Won't say what until the subs come out for you guys. The question is, will there be a change in history?

I'm enjoying this series.

[kuromitsu]

The first scene with Ieyasu was hilarious, I had to pause the video until I stopped laughing. Tiny Ieyasu turning pink and clutching the porn mag.... XDDD I like this Ieyasu, he's fun, and Fukuyama Jun was a great choice for him.

I like Hideyoshi, too, he's such a great character, with great acting by Nakamura Yuuichi (what he's doing here reminds me of Namikawa Daisuke in Shinsekai yori). He keeps stealing every scene he is in, except perhaps the ones he shares with Saburou - in those both characters really shine.

I just can't make up my mind about Saburou. There are scenes where it's obvious that he's not just an idiot who keeps getting lucky, and that he does think things through in his own way, it's just that his way of thinking is completely different from everyone else's. But in other scenes he still comes off as ignorant, careless and/or just plain stupid...

Originally Posted by leongsh

Later in the episode, Motoyasu informs Saburo that he is changing his name to Tokugawa Ieyasu which, of course, catches Saburo by surprise as it dawns on him who this loyal supporter of him is XD

Well, rather than "dawn" it's more like "a tentative, vague ray of sunlight"... XDDD

Originally Posted by leongsh

This is the first time that we really see that time has passed a few years.

That said, they're being awfully coy about how much time has passed... it's for the better, I guess. It would be difficult to believe that 10+ years have passed since Saburou's timeslip, but also that all these battles, alliances, etc. are happening so fast. Keeping it vague is probably the best idea.

Originally Posted by leongsh

There's a new kink happening towards the end. Won't say what until the subs come out for you guys. The question is, will there be a change in history?

If you're thinking of what I'm thinking, I think it's just confirmed that,

Spoiler for ep 5:

looking at the great picture, history will go on as it should go... and that Nobunaga will come back into the story as Akechi Mitsuhide. Having lost the book, Saburou won't be able to look him up and prepare for an eventual betrayal.

[ankgembala]

now i'm a bit confused with the timeline of this series..
in episode 5, just how many years is it since saburo sliped through time?

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by ankgembala

now i'm a bit confused with the timeline of this series..
in episode 5, just how many years is it since saburo sliped through time?
and what about nobuyuki rebbelion arc? does the manga tell about it? did the anime just skipped it?

BTW:I think it's best if we discuss what happens in the manga in the actual manga thread. I get a feeling that the mods might get angry soon.

[ankgembala]

Originally Posted by Moe Connection

Nobuyuki's rebellion was there, but the anime completely skipped it.

BTW:I think it's best if we discuss what happens in the manga in the actual manga thread. I get a feeling that the mods get angry soon.

uppss,, sorry,, i'll edit my question then...

anyway,, how about the timeline..
i assume saburo time slip is around 1553 when hirate died..
and then skipped to 1556 when saito dosan died..
and then skipped again to 1560 when battle of okehazama happened..
and i don't know what year is it in episode 5..
so it's been 7++ years since saburo slipped through time?

[Grifis]

I wonder what Saburou had the man write in those love letters. And Ieyasu's face looks too cute. Finally the reason behind why he has so many wives is revealed. Saburou is great as always. I love him, so casual, silly, free, and unpredictable. I laughed when he said "I don't know what I stepped on so don't put those sandals in your pockets." It's too bad saru burned his book. (Every time I see saru, I have the urge to punch him.)

[dniv]

I just finally saw episode 5. Wow that was another great episode.

I'm really enjoying this show, and I have to say that the animation is definitely amazing for me now, anyway, and I really liked the live-action/animated style, which really looks fantastic.

This episode was hilarious, and the love letters used, lol. Also, Oichi-san yay.

Lol @ Tokugawa Ieyasu... Mr. womanizer... The porn magazine is his family treasure. And yes, as people are saying it seems like the real Nobunaga is going to probably be Mitsuhide... I'm guessing this means that our MC will die at Honnouji... and that the other characters will carry out their destinies. This episode felt oddly familiar to me... (in the sense of building a fortress near Mino, was definitely in the Samurai Warriors 3ds game for one of the battles... with Hideyoshi...)

Either way, I love this show, and I'm really enjoying it. I can see why it is indeed so high-profile now. The worksmanship is phenomenal.

[leongsh]

Episode 6.

Saburo nicknames him Mitchi..

The episode ends with Saburo and his entourage leaving Kyoto and passing by..

Spoiler:

Honno-ji. With Mitchi beside him as they pause outside Honnoji, Saburo blurts out that he recalls Honno-ji is where Nobunaga will die. Surprising those in earshot on what he said. But for us, we know the history and they are setting it up for Mitsuhide (the real Nobunaga) to betray Saburo here later on.

It's blatant obvious what the trick here is..

Spoiler for Likely ending far into the future:

Based on history, Nobunaga's remains were never found in the fire at Honno-ji that is said to have killed off Nobunaga. That could be the cue for Saburo to disappear or sent back to his own time.

Out of all the anime shows starting this summer, this show has become the most enjoyable to me. Not necessarily the best, but definitely the one that I look forward to and enjoy the most.

When the synopsis of this show came out, I was wondering, "What?! Another Nobunaga-related show?" I was prepared to ignore it. Then, when seeing that the manga series it is based on won the Shogakukan Manga Award for Shounen manga in 2011, I thought I should just give it a try. No regrets at all

EDIT:
Forgot to mention, the ED visuals have been updated.

[kuromitsu]

Er, Saburou... I'm not good at birds either, but how can you not tell the difference between a duck and a heron....

What an episode! (And by the way, bleh to all the Kaji Yuuki haters out there.)

Spoiler for ep 6:

Finally Nobunaga is back, but even without the whole Nobunaga business the character drama is really good. And with the whole Nobunaga business... the Saburou/Nobunaga x Nobunaga/Mitsuhide scenes kept sending shivers down my spine. "Micchi", though. I liked how Saburou introduced him, like a teacher would introduce a new student to the class.

I also really liked Ichi in this episode, from the little "pui" sound effects whenever she pouted, to deciding to marry Azai Nagamasa to support her brother (trust the real Nobunaga to manage his sister ), that was a really cool scene.

I also liked how Saburou asked Micchi to call him Saburou, lest he forgets his real name. Nice touch.

I was surprised by Saburou actually remembering that Nobunaga died at Honnouji (although technically he wasn't murdered). Sometimes I really want a look into his head, I mean how can he go on playing Nobunaga when he knows how it's supposed to end? Sure, he probably thinks "I'll do something about it when it happens" but still...

Also, I see what the director did here:
"The culprit is... 'A'.... 'A'....."


Yeah.
(Even aside of this there were some pretty nicely composed shots in this episode.)

And in the ED Saburou's name has changed to "NOBUNAGA" (but he still has the same "hates studying" "bad at history" etc. signs) and Nobunaga's to "MITSUHIDE" (with the same "Devil King" "Tenka Fubu" etc. signs), and the second half has added the real Nobunaga, plus scenes of the two Nobunagas together.

Originally Posted by leongsh

Spoiler:

It's blatant obvious what the trick here is..

Spoiler for Likely ending far into the future:

Based on history, Nobunaga's remains were never found in the fire at Honno-ji that is said to have killed off Nobunaga. That could be the cue for Saburo to disappear or sent back to his own time.

Yes, I also think this is where it's going,

Spoiler for speculation:

although I keep clinging to the hope that Saburou assumes the role of Nobunaga so completely that he dies and thus completes his destiny, while "Mitsuhide" timeslips to the modern times. In any case, neither of them can stay at large in this time, given that Nobunaga is supposed to be dead. (Well, I suppose they could wear a mask like Micchi does, but that would be a letdown.)

Originally Posted by leongsh

Out of all the anime shows starting this summer, this show has become the most enjoyable to me. Not necessarily the best, but definitely the one that I look forward to and enjoy the most.

Same here - along with Bakumatsu Rock this series is what I enjoy the most in this season. It's not perfect, I'm still not happy about the face animation, and you can tell that the writers are rushing, but the story makes up for everything. It's such a pity that this series is so short, it would've deserved at least two cours... alas, it seems the bulk of the budget went to the TV drama. :/

[Rokumonsen]

Micchi? Seriously?

[dniv]

I haven't seen the latest episode yet... How many episodes DO we think it'll have?

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by dniv

I haven't seen the latest episode yet... How many episodes DO we think it'll have?

It seems like it's one cour, so all in all it'll be around 11-13. Unless it's split cour I wonder how we're going to reach Honnouji in such a short time...

Although, thinking about it, it's possible... something along the lines of:

Spoiler for speculation:

Episode 7: setup to Anegawa (Ichi marrying Nagamasa, politics and intrigues and so on, Mitsuhide becoming Nobunaga's right hand man)
Episode 8: Anegawa, with the setup for the Ikkou ikki and Nagashima, dark things happening likely at Mitsuhide's orders or suggestions (which is why he's still credited as "Demon King" etc. in the end credits - at least I don't see Saburou going "KILL THEM ALL WITH FIRE")
Episode 9: Nagashima, Hideyoshi doing devious Hideyoshi things, setup to Nagashino
Episode 10: Nagashino, Honganji, Hideyoshi rising in rank and influence, Mitsuhide doing Mitsuhide things
Episode 11: setup to Honnouji
Episode 12: Honnouji, finale

Maybe?

[dniv]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

It seems like it's one cour, so all in all it'll be around 11-13. Unless it's split cour I wonder how we're going to reach Honnouji in such a short time...

Although, thinking about it, it's possible... something along the lines of:

Spoiler for speculation:

Episode 7: setup to Anegawa (Ichi marrying Nagamasa, politics and intrigues and so on, Mitsuhide becoming Nobunaga's right hand man)
Episode 8: Anegawa, with the setup for the Ikkou ikki and Nagashima, dark things happening likely at Mitsuhide's orders or suggestions (which is why he's still credited as "Demon King" etc. in the end credits - at least I don't see Saburou going "KILL THEM ALL WITH FIRE")
Episode 9: Nagashima, Hideyoshi doing devious Hideyoshi things, setup to Nagashino
Episode 10: Nagashino, Honganji, Hideyoshi rising in rank and influence, Mitsuhide doing Mitsuhide things
Episode 11: setup to Honnouji
Episode 12: Honnouji, finale

Maybe?

Oh Good. Thank you, I was thinking all of a sudden that it would be like one or two more episodes after this one, so I was worried. That's a bit of a relief, lol.

Edit:

I want more time to enjoy this, because just like for both of you, this has become the show I'm actually looking forward to the most each week... surprisingly enough.

[Irenicus]

Don't know what brought the glut of Nobunaga re-imaginings all of a sudden, but this one is the best yet (my favorite prior to this was Oda Nobuna no Loli).

I can see why people might dislike the animation, but it was obviously an artistic direction and this anime gave every sign of having very high production values and excellent direction behind it. The music, the environment, the voice-acting, the design, even the clever way they avoid the harsher scenes -- like the entire Battle of Okehazama -- all these appear to fit in more with an expensive NHK historical drama than an ordinary anime series.

As for the story itself, Saburou is an enigmatic protagonist. We aren't able to get into his head and I think that's the best way to go about it, especially as it fits well with the animation style that somehow seems to go out of its way to restrain Saburo's range of expressions, in comparison to every other character around him. I hope the author of the source material was willing to deviate from history, though. It's no fun if Saburou starts engaging in the atrocities the historical Nobunaga is famous for.

If there's a major flaw it's that the passage of time is unaccounted for. In real life Oda Nobunaga spent many years fighting province-by-province; Mino itself took six years to fall. Time seems to be moving similarly here, too, given Tokugawa Ieyasu's growth, but there's an incongruent feeling that things just happen in faster sequences, like in the Nobuna no Loli version where the major events of Nobunaga's life were condensed to a few hectic years, at most. I was also taken off guard by the sudden appearance of (a very feisty, best imouto) Oichi and the nice relationship she seems to already have developed with her bro 2.0 somewhere off screen.