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Alyxis · 2014-09-18, 18:35

Please tell me the get something else other than their name and flag back...

Like some new power up, cause i suspect that subsequent battles would be akin to this level and right now they are still very green.

Xellos-_^ · 2014-09-18, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Alyxis

Please tell me the get something else other than their name and flag back...

Like some new power up, cause i suspect that subsequent battles would be akin to this level and right now they are still very green.

Yo turns herself into a feather serpent

bakato · 2014-09-18, 18:53

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Brahmaastra is belong to Brahma, not Indra, Brahma is the creator god, along side Vishnu and Shiva, the trio supreme gods of hinduism, and FYI, Brahmaastra is capable of killing a deva, which mean Brahmaastra is capable of slaying Indra.

Even so, there's no way a mere replica could have killed Azi when the real thing couldn't have from descriptions.

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I knew Kuro usagi's spear was strong but I find it hard to believe a replica was enough to take out Azi a 3 digit, I mean that doesn't make any sense no matter how much I think about it.

It's likely there was some other factor in play here. I'm gonna bet it was Asuka. She came back after sacrificing her own life in lieu of Kuro Usagi's, which would mean she awakened to her true potential. She must have buffed the replica, but it must have been one hell of a buff if it killed Azi when the real thing couldn't have.

jrohrer13 · 2014-09-18, 19:16

Ok well I was reading the scans as well and from what I could tell

Spoiler:

Also Sorry first time posting here so if this is messy my bad.

Miraluka · 2014-09-18, 19:20

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Yo turns herself into a feather serpent

You mean Quetzalcoatl?

versionf · 2014-09-18, 19:21

Azi's Avesta can copy the cosmology of his opponents except humans, and use it to counter them, that means more gods he faces the stronger he gets. Avesta didn't activate because the spear was a replica and contained the cosmology of Zoroastrianism because Indra so it bypassed the Avesta. Izayoi caught the spear flying in 6th cosmic velocity (speed to leave the universe?) and was trembling in fear he felt for the first time, Azi comforted him before he died.

Xellos-_^ · 2014-09-18, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Miraluka

You mean Quetzalcoatl?

Feather Serpent, Quetz is a god. can't turn yourself into a god.

bakato · 2014-09-18, 19:25

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Ok well I was reading the scans as well and from what I could tell

Spoiler:

Also Sorry first time posting here so if this is messy my bad.

Oh so it was because Izayoi was the one doing it, Azi was killable.

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Azi's Avesta can copy the cosmology of his opponents except humans, and use it to counter them, that means more gods he faces the stronger he gets. Avesta didn't activate because the spear was a replica and contained the cosmology of Zoroastrianism because Indra so it bypassed the Avesta. Izayoi caught the spear flying in 6th cosmic velocity (speed to leave the universe?) and was trembling in fear he felt for the first time, Azi comforted him before he died.

Typo?

Then why did his Avesta take the form of a sun against Izayoi's Pillar?

Yami no Ou · 2014-09-18, 19:30

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Originally Posted by jrohrer13

Ok well I was reading the scans as well and from what I could tell

Spoiler:

Also Sorry first time posting here so if this is messy my bad.

seems legit if that is the case

jrohrer13 · 2014-09-18, 19:30

I am not entirely sure If it was soley due to that but the novel went to great lengths to state the difference between the gods and humans and that the trials were something only humans could beat. Also what version said. That was basically the last chapter. Izayoi was crying but azi said that he showed great courage and commended him on his win and died finally accomplishing his goal.

Alyxis · 2014-09-18, 19:39

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Originally Posted by bakato

It's likely there was some other factor in play here. I'm gonna bet it was Asuka. She came back after sacrificing her own life in lieu of Kuro Usagi's, which would mean she awakened to her true potential. She must have buffed the replica, but it must have been one hell of a buff if it killed Azi when the real thing couldn't have.

Did she ever die and when?

bakato · 2014-09-18, 19:43

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Did she ever die and when?

After Kuro Usagi lost her divinity, she used her power again due to circumstances on the condition she'd forfeit her life. When it was time to collect, Asuka took her place and just before she blacked out she saw a goddess.

Alyxis · 2014-09-18, 19:52

Wait, then you mean Asuka died in pl ace of Kuro usagi?! then how come is she alive in this volume?

bakato · 2014-09-18, 19:54

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Wait, then you mean Asuka died in pl ace of Kuro usagi?! then how come is she alive in this volume?

Well, I'm assuming she woke up to her hidden potential and came back. In any case, Azi's defeat at human hands was certainly hinted at a while back. According to previous spoilers by versionf, Canaria, who was also a human, was the only one to have ever defeated a Last Embryo.

Alyxis · 2014-09-18, 20:09

If that was the case why did Izayoi get his ass handed to him in the first round despite having used his triumph card.

bakato · 2014-09-18, 20:11

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If that was the case why did Izayoi get his ass handed to him in the first round despite having used his triumph card.

Aurora Pillar is Another Cosmology, which Azi's Avesta can counter. In this fight, Izayoi used a Replica, which Avesta was useless against, but which still had the power to kill him probably due to Asuka's buff, which I'm assuming.

Alyxis · 2014-09-18, 20:15

Ok now i'm confused. Shouldn't the fact that Izayoi is human make it possible to defeat him regardless of the method? plus why does it being Another cosmology make it ineffective against Azi.

Ophis · 2014-09-18, 20:26

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Ok now i'm confused. Shouldn't the fact that Izayoi is human make it possible to defeat him regardless of the method? plus why does it being Another cosmology make it ineffective against Azi.

Because it would be the same as what happened in volume 8, where Azi countered Izayoi's [Another Cosmology] with his own.

jrohrer13 · 2014-09-18, 20:27

Well he could kill him yes but he needed something which could do it. Thats where the spear came in, as version said it countered his avesta and with that he was able to be defeated. To be honest I dont really remember asuka doing much in the final fight besides holding of his clones that were spawning during the fight but someone can correct me.

bakato · 2014-09-18, 20:32

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Ok now i'm confused. Shouldn't the fact that Izayoi is human make it possible to defeat him regardless of the method? plus why does it being Another cosmology make it ineffective against Azi.

So you think any human could just beat Azi simply for being human? Embryos like Azi are trials for humanity. So only humanity can take them and pass them, but that doesn't mean they're easy. Izayoi has to land the killing blow.

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Well he could kill him yes but he needed something which could do it. Thats where the spear came in, as version said it countered his avesta and with that he was able to be defeated. To be honest I dont really remember asuka doing much in the final fight besides holding of his clones that were spawning during the fight but someone can correct me.

Then how did they kill Azi with a replica?

2014-09-18, 18:35	Link #2301
Alyxis Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Wonderland	Please tell me the get something else other than their name and flag back... Like some new power up, cause i suspect that subsequent battles would be akin to this level and right now they are still very green. __________________ To hunger, but not gluttonous. To arouse, but not lustful. To tire, but not slothful.

2014-09-18, 19:16	Link #2304
jrohrer13 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014	Ok well I was reading the scans as well and from what I could tell Spoiler: Basically the book went over a lot of things about the purpose of little garden and the meaning behind the oroboros alliance. From what I gathered, little gardens purpose is to find the origin behind what came first, The humans or the gods. It said that without humans gods can't exist but the gods were created because humans relied on them. Basically that is what the candidates of origin are for. Anyway the last trials of humanity were basically that. Trials for humans meaning that the gods could not kill them but if humans fought them then it was possible. So I think thats why Izayoi could kill him with the spear, since a human was the one doing it. Once again I could be a bit off and Im also skipping a lot but I think thats why that happened. Also Sorry first time posting here so if this is messy my bad.

2014-09-18, 19:52	Link #2313
Alyxis Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Wonderland	Wait, then you mean Asuka died in pl ace of Kuro usagi?! then how come is she alive in this volume? __________________ To hunger, but not gluttonous. To arouse, but not lustful. To tire, but not slothful.

2014-09-18, 20:09	Link #2315
Alyxis Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Wonderland	If that was the case why did Izayoi get his ass handed to him in the first round despite having used his triumph card. __________________ To hunger, but not gluttonous. To arouse, but not lustful. To tire, but not slothful.

2014-09-18, 20:15	Link #2317
Alyxis Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Wonderland	Ok now i'm confused. Shouldn't the fact that Izayoi is human make it possible to defeat him regardless of the method? plus why does it being Another cosmology make it ineffective against Azi. __________________ To hunger, but not gluttonous. To arouse, but not lustful. To tire, but not slothful.

2014-09-18, 19:21	Link #2306
versionf Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013	Azi's Avesta can copy the cosmology of his opponents except humans, and use it to counter them, that means more gods he faces the stronger he gets. Avesta didn't activate because the spear was a replica and contained the cosmology of Zoroastrianism because Indra so it bypassed the Avesta. Izayoi caught the spear flying in 6th cosmic velocity (speed to leave the universe?) and was trembling in fear he felt for the first time, Azi comforted him before he died.

2014-09-18, 19:30	Link #2310
jrohrer13 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014	I am not entirely sure If it was soley due to that but the novel went to great lengths to state the difference between the gods and humans and that the trials were something only humans could beat. Also what version said. That was basically the last chapter. Izayoi was crying but azi said that he showed great courage and commended him on his win and died finally accomplishing his goal.

2014-09-18, 20:27	Link #2319
jrohrer13 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014	Well he could kill him yes but he needed something which could do it. Thats where the spear came in, as version said it countered his avesta and with that he was able to be defeated. To be honest I dont really remember asuka doing much in the final fight besides holding of his clones that were spawning during the fight but someone can correct me.