(L+CR) Cross Ange

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

That scene was in no way designed for the purpose of titillating the audience. By forcefully stripping Ange and so forth, it served the purpose of slamming her into reality head first.

I think that that scene was nothing but intended as fanservice.

[Hiss13]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You bet there is. Just take a look at 4chan thread.

Of course. It had to be 4chan.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I think it was also done for titillation, especially the shot to her wiggling ass.

Originally Posted by TJR

It's intended for titillation, which is apparent in how the shots are framed. Not all of us may be into that kind of thing, but it's service for those who get off on sexual sadism (violent porn is a sizable niche, so we know that the audience exists).

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

I think that that scene was nothing but intended as fanservice.

Alright, guys. I concede.

[Ryuga]

Yeah, it was just shoved in there without much thought to get a reaction, to let audiences know "yo, this is serious business".

I think bringing Ange off her pedestal should've been a slower process and less exploitative. Like "if you don't take the examination, we aren't gonna let you eat", or "we're gonna throw you outside and let you fend for yourself" or simply mistreat Ange (non-sexually) and slowly break her spirit until she realises she's no longer special and relents to the examination. Maybe even good-cop-bad-cop, one's being nasty while one's trying to nicely coax Ange and say she's gonna be piloting a mecha for a good cause or something lol. Though, I doubt they'd want to take things slow due to time constraints/just wanting to establish the setting quickly.
Also, I was surprised at how the hatred of Normas allowed the Prince to pretty much take over like that.

[synx]

I have full expectations that Kira 2.0 will hijack the show and become M.C. Fukuda do not disappoint me.

[ZeroXSEED]

Inb4 they suddenly killed Task after him and Ange hit it off to increase MUH SUFFERING

[Ryuga]

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From how this first ep played out, I wouldn't surprised if that guy got wasted for Ange's suffering either.

[KleenexGhost]

Originally Posted by Ryuga

^
From how this first ep played out, I wouldn't surprised if that guy got wasted for Ange's suffering either.

Extra so with the StellaxShinn similarities in the opening.

[ultimate_noob]

Judging from the previews, I'm looking forward for Ange being molested and raped every episode.... -____-

This might be the new valvrave. Thanks, Sunrise....

[SQA]

Originally Posted by zerriet

If i recall, someone actually translated that last scene shown from the manga, and its actually not rape or a cavity search, but surgical modification to her spine. Then again, it can only be further explained in the next episode.

That is the complicating matter, actually. The information going in is that is what was happening, yet it really wasn't composed like that. That added shock-factor is really what caused the stir.

[kasimmorathi]

I enjoyed the episode. The ending has clearly polarized the community, but before that...

A fairly compelling setting by introducing this society that outwardly seemed beautiful and perfect, evidently hiding the peace created by these outcasts. The princess is a seemingly perfect representative of this society: beautiful, pure, covering up a veneer of hatred and inhumanity toward the desperate pleas of a mother.

Her introduction to this more cruel world is portrayed in a terrible fashion. She is stripped of her previous life, her innocence - both literally and figuratively. In the end we see her laying on the floor in a fetal position with the blood of her mother stained on the tattered remains of the clothing - symbolic of being reborn in this new world while also seeing the visceral remains of her tattered purity.

Now, as for the scene itself - I admit that it was carried out poorly. The art direction here did not convey the appropriate message for what I think the intent was. This scene required far more tact than was delivered, however I am hesitant to brand the entire series as a result of poor direction. I think there is some potential here.

[Iniser]

Thank you Sunrise for bringing us another brilliant trainwreck. Oh man, I can't wait to see how this progresses.

[akumaten]

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

What, you like the fact that Cross Ange is all about exploitation? Suit yourself!

For me, this mecha show is about the tragedy of Ange. But seriously, would it be worse if Ange lost her purity during that interrogation scene?

No, because ALL OF THE SHITS I GAVE is for the little girl that was taken away from her own mother while Ange "justified" the action. A monster punishment for a monster (character wise)

[Grand Phoenix]

Just finished watching it, and...I don't see how this is exploitative or titillating. Okay, maybe titillating for those who get their rocks off on seeing someone pinned down on a table and struggling with that camera angle, but that's not what I took away from it. What I did take away from it is that, in Ange's position, it's a humiliating and degrading thing to be subjected to after having everything but her life taken away from her. While a big shock to the system, I think this presents an opportunity for her to rebuild herself (but not without a lot of difficulty, given the negative chemistry going on in the next episode's preview).

I think the episode's pacing could've been slower and establish Ange's fall further with another episode, but I figure the show wants to establish things right away before moving on to the crux of the plot: the dragons. (And where there are dragons, there are Warcraft references to be made. Huzzah!)

Overall, I liked it. This has potential, and I'm interested to see where this goes.

[synx]

I think the only piece of SEED/SEED Destiny stock footage they didn't use was the Freedom beamspam.

[DuelGundam2099]

I was considering of giving this series a watch, but with all this rape talk (and inconsistency of whether or not it was rape or surgery or cavity searching or whatever) I am having second thoughts. It is a shame because I am a fan of Dendoh and CE Gundam. Plus I really don't want to be pulling a "it was not rape" card like I do with Saki in VVV.Seriously, I do not like to be that guy.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by zerriet

If i recall, someone actually translated that last scene shown from the manga, and its actually not rape or a cavity search, but surgical modification to her spine. Then again, it can only be further explained in the next episode.

No, that was a guess from someone who didn't read the manga. I read it, and I'm up to date with the Japanese release, so I can tell you they were talking out of their ass.

[Grand Phoenix]

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

I was considering of giving this series a watch, but with all this rape talk (and inconsistency of whether or not it was rape or surgery or cavity searching or whatever) I am having second thoughts. It is a shame because I am a fan of Dendoh and CE Gundam. Plus I really don't want to be pulling a "it was not rape" card like I do with Saki in VVV.Seriously, I do not like to be that guy.

It's not rape, and it doesn't show anything explicit that goes right into Squick territory as it cuts straight to the ending theme. It might leave you feeling uncomfortable, though. I say give it a shot and decide from there.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Originally Posted by synx

I think the only piece of SEED/SEED Destiny stock footage they didn't use was the Freedom beamspam.

Sunrise feels like it's stuck in SEED/SEED Destiny era because of the character popularity.

Anyway, I wouldn't really call Ange a "monster" because of what happened with that mother and child. It's more that she's just so sheltered not only from having been raised in royalty, but also extra protection because of her parents wanting to hide her own "Norma" self (which seems to just be "normal" humans with no mana capabilities). She still seemed a little conflicted, which is why she was shown out on the balcony in the next bit.

Now she's going to have to learn first-hand what it's like to live in the shoes of a Norma, who are seen as not even human in this world.

It's easy to ignore a real problem if it's not personally affecting oneself. Ignorance is bliss after all. One may hear about problems, but unless they directly negatively affect that person, chances of them doing much about it is slim.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Grand Phoenix

It's not rape, and it doesn't show anything explicit that goes right into Squick territory as it cuts straight to the ending theme..

It was rape, and the scene shows enough. In fact, I don't think they could show more on tv even if they wanted to. The manga does show a little more, but just a little.

[MgMaster]

Originally Posted by Iniser

Thank you Sunrise for bringing us another brilliant trainwreck. Oh man, I can't wait to see how this progresses.

Yeeeep! Cross Ange is that type of show that'll be entertaining whether it's genuinely good or end's up being a trainwreck and we gotta have one of these every once in a while.

This is your calling Sunrise! More stuff like this & Valvrave & less Buddy Complex,'mkay?

This won't be my favorite fall anime but the discussions surrounding it will probably be the most fun to see