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Originally Posted by karice67
@Kanon, you are not thinking about things from Sibyl's point of view. From our point of view, yes, Sibyl's decision not to change anything is insane. But to them, the losses until this episode (2 inspectors and one enforcer; plus some latent criminals) were acceptable, compared to the price of letting other inspectors and enforcers doubt the system. The losses from previous operations have similarly been acceptable. That's the risk calculation that those brains have made collectively. We can think it's dumb...but we are not Sibyl.
The question after this episode is: is the loss of two more inspectors and five more enforcers one more inspector and three more enforcers still acceptable for Sibyl? Will they change their policy after this bloodbath? Perhaps it's acceptable now, unless they've got a few more inspector teams we haven't seen...
edit: oops, mistake realised after looking at the official website.
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We'll see what happens next week.
What I'm really afraid of right now is that Sibyl is just going to sit on its ass and the writers are going to bring Kogami back to be used as plot device to solve their problems for them again. If that happens, I'm going to be seriously pissed because nothing would have been accomplished the entire season.
It doesn't help that the movie synopsis killed any suspense this season might have had. We already know that
What's the point of this second season if nothing changes? It's basically a repeat of season 1 so far. You have a guy who can't be properly recognized by Sibyl as a threat trying to take down the whole system, and the only reason he's a threat at all is because Sibyl does nothing. If there had been no precedent, I would understand their failure to react, but there's the whole first season.
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Originally Posted by Five_Overs
@ Kanon
When I said Kamui, I also mean a person that can avoid detection by the sybil system. And think back to all the events that occured. There is absolutely no proof at all being presented to the characters. Only Akane have reason to believe he exists. Let's look back at all the events.
First incident, Shisui shot an enforcer and went missing. Incident two, captured latent criminal turns clear. A person turning clear is a completely acceptable outcome and not necessarily associated with kamui. Third, scribbling appears in Akane's room. Her sanity was questioned. Fourth, a clinical center was locked from within, when opened half-naked people with clouded psycho pass rushes out. No one lived to tell the tale. So, if you're anyone but Akane, do you have reason to believe Kamui exists?
Unless there's any indication at all that they've changed their minds, everyone except Akane disapproves of the theory that someone who can avoid sibyl's detection exists.
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Fair enough. Let's talk about Akane then. She firmly believes Kamui exists and she wants to take him in. What is her plan to bring him in? She has none. Isn't that a problem in itself? What exactly was she hoping for at the end of the episode?
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Your understanding of how the sibyl system works aside, what you're proposing Sibyl to do is bend the entire system just so that they can defend against the irregularities that happen rarely. You're asking them to create a problem to solve another problem (or a problem that sibyl doesn't even recognize). You're asking them to risk having inspectors and civillians question the absoluteness of the system just so that they can prevent incidents that MIGHT cause questions to be raised. Not every inspector have dealt with irregularities like makishima shogo and thus know about them.
Isn't all of this counter-productive? Anyway, it's okay if you disagree. You may be of the opinion that the pros outweigh the cons. However, there's also enough cons for Sibyl to justify what they're doing, which is the reason we've started this discussion.
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Rarely? That's the second time it happens in less than two years. There have been massive riots and people getting slaughtered in S1, and it's now happening again. People started questioning the absoluteness of the system a long time ago, and these recent incidents are most definitely not helping.
That's what you guys don't seem to take into account.
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Lastly, I seriously doubt people would accept Sybil if there are anybody at all operating it. I wouldn't want to entrust my entire life to a group of people even if they're voted through democracy. Remember, Sybil is the equivalent to the end it all of the magistrate. They're the prosecutor, the judge and the executioner. No group of people should be allowed access to that much power. The only reason Sibyl is accepted is because it's assumed to be all computer, no brain.
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As you said yourself, Sibyl is just a computer. It can't think (I don't recall it being mentioned it's an AI). All it does is provide extremely accurate and objective numbers. That's one of the reason people trust it. The other is that there are people maintaining it, helping make sure there are no bugs, or that nobody is hacking it.
And there is obviously still a government since we know there are politicians. Politicians are most definitely
supposed to hold some sort of power.
There's also the public safety bureau, which is entirely run by humans. Inspectors write reports, there are computer analysts like Shion, Kasei (actually Sibyl, but nobody knows that) gives orders, etc... Sibyl is the prosecutor, judge and executioner, and humans are its overseer. They're there to make sure everything works correctly.
That's my understanding of the system as perceived by a regular citizen. People most definitely believe humans are still in charge and don't suspect they're being completely ruled by Sibyl.
And of we assume people believe it's an AI, then there's no problem with what I suggested. It should be able to take decision and tell when an inspector isn't acting normally.
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