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Marina2 · 2014-12-07, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Miraluka

Fuu's quarrel is with Taisha, not Shinju.

You missed my point. I meant at one point Fuu (or someone else) probably think....

"if we have to sacrifire our body to the god after protecting him from Vertex....why not just let Vertex kill Shinju-sama and we all will be free!. Now I save everyone!
"

Due to rage, despair, etc... she will forget for a monent that the damage to god = damage to the world and carry out the plan. This plan will fail before the god is completly kill but as they return to their world....the heavy damage city is waiting for them.

It is a good way to create more drama, really.

Genten · 2014-12-07, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Marina2

You missed my point. I meant at one point Fuu (or someone else) probably think....

"if we have to sacrifire our body to the god after protecting him from Vertex....why not just let Vertex kill Shinju-sama and we all will be free!. Now I save everyone!
"

Due to rage, despair, etc... she will forget for a monent that the damage to god = damage to the world and carry out the plan. This plan will fail before the god is completly kill but as they return to their world....the heavy damage city is waiting for them.

I think the girls helped Fuu settle her quarrel with the Taisha, mostly, at the end of episode 9. Her rage was a snap decision; it was a rash action without a lot of thought put into it. At that moment, all Fuu wanted was revenge for Itsuki's and the other's injuries. Now that everyone has calmed her down, and Itsuki in particular has talked to her, I really doubt Fuu would do something like attack the Taisha again.

Also I don't think, as much as Fuu hates the Taisha, that she would sacrifice the whole world (and I doubt she'd forget something so important) because of she and the heroes conditions. After all, if you omit the lying, it's not an evil deal the Taisha's serving up. When you consider it's a handful of girls for the safety of the whole world. . .well, I think Fuu probably shares Yuna's opinion that this is what a hero does.

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Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Now...who was it that provided the hero club with predictions about Vertex deployment? Taisha did.
Though, that information might be based on previous Vertex attacks...and yet, something seems fishy.

If it's true that the Taisha is tricking the girls like this. . .I just can't really see why

. I mean if the Vertexes weren't really a threat, then there wouldn't be a need for heroes? It's possible they're covering up for a deeper system and nothing is as it appears. . .but I'm not sure! Whether the relationship between the Vertexes and the Shinju is really as it seems and the Taisha is just manipulating information, or it's something totally different, I'm sure will be revealed in episodes to come.

Iby · 2014-12-08, 03:28

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Originally Posted by Miraluka

From what I read here:

This series is like the antithesis of Madoka Magica.

https://twitter.com/yanoja/status/540932036018442240 Taken from: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-28693.html

So they're deconstructing the deconstruction?

Triple_R · 2014-12-08, 05:35

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Originally Posted by Iby

So they're deconstructing the deconstruction?

If a show in Genre A does a good job of being an antithesis to a deconstruction of Genre A, then that show becomes a reconstruction (of Genre A).

A good example of this is Gurren Lagann, which many would consider a mecha reconstruction and a good antithesis to NGE.

I'm eagerly looking forward to the day when an anime show becomes the Gurren Lagann to Madoka Magica's NGE.

Is Yuuki Yuuna that show? A few episodes ago I was extremely skeptical. But now? Now it's a possibility at least...

jeroz · 2014-12-08, 06:34

to be honest, Madoka final episode validated the soul of the genre instead of denying it.

bastek66 · 2014-12-08, 12:04

There is interesting theory on imageboards about Yuuna and Taisha's kanjis
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大赦

Miraluka · 2014-12-08, 12:15

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Originally Posted by bastek66

There is interesting theory on imageboards about Yuuna and Taisha's kanjis
友奈
　↓
大赦

And what's the point?

FlameSparkZ · 2014-12-08, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Miraluka

And what's the point?

That japanese love word play/puns?

And yeah, the series has a few things in common with Madoka, but it's not as dark.
Instead of magical girls, we got heroes.
Instead of witches, there's Vertex.
Taisha is technically doing the same as Kyuubey, with the whole "omitted information" thing.

All that's left are clues/confirmation to close the "circle".

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Originally Posted by bastek66

There is interesting theory on imageboards about Yuuna and Taisha's kanjis
友奈
　↓
大赦

Just checked it, and apparently Taisha means Amnesty...

Laevatein · 2014-12-08, 14:44

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Originally Posted by jeroz

to be honest, Madoka final episode validated the soul of the genre instead of denying it.

And then there was the movie...

Miraluka · 2014-12-08, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Laevatein

And then there was the movie...

Yeah, one of the messages from the whole series was Magi puela isn't about heroes but pretty selfish girls with some serious issues(specially Homura).

Opposed to Yuyuyu whose characters are mostly selfless and willing to sacrifice their own flesh for the worls sake(contrary to certain obssesed girl who destroyed the world several times

)

Key Board · 2014-12-08, 15:30

I'd say one of Madoka's theme is true desire and martyrdom

Spoiler:

And that's why Madoka fandom is divided.
Is it okay to be exploited for the sake of the world?
Is that honorable? or is that idiotic?

I'm not sure what YuYuYu's commentary on this is, if it has any to make
but we shall see
I think Takahiro has some right wing leanings, so if I were to guess he's a proponent of self sacrifice

Kazu-kun · 2014-12-08, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Key Board

I think Takahiro has some right wing leanings, so if I were to guess he's a proponent of self sacrifice

Sometimes there's no choice but to risk or even give up your life for a loved one, but that's not exactly what's going on with Yuuna. She's going out of her way to bear everything on her own, even when there's no need to. For example, if they all fought the second Gemini together, they probably would have kept the petal gaining to a minimum, but Yuuna went at it on her own and got herself three petals. Then against Fuu she deliberately let herself hit to fill up the rest of her mankai gauge, just to make a point. To me that looks more like a hero complex than just self-sacrifice.

Despite these implications, the series seems to champion Yuuna's actions, which is slightly disturbing.

Honestly, even a silly shounen like Naruto seems to have a better grasp on what makes a hero than this series.

Miraluka · 2014-12-08, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Key Board

I'd say one of Madoka's theme is true desire and martyrdom

Spoiler:

And that's why Madoka fandom is divided.
Is it okay to be exploited for the sake of the world?
Is that honorable? or is that idiotic?

I'm not sure what YuYuYu's commentary on this is, if it has any to make
but we shall see
I think Takahiro has some right wing leanings, so if I were to guess he's a proponent of self sacrifice

That's why I said selfishness is the main trait of the series characters.

jeroz · 2014-12-09, 05:33

preview for ep10 is out

gecd · 2014-12-09, 08:30

oh god
Tougou is trying to commit sudoku

Pablete · 2014-12-09, 16:57

The OST's been released.

jeroz · 2014-12-09, 21:09

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Originally Posted by gecd

oh god
Tougou is trying to commit sudoku

nah man, she's trying to see if breaking Yuna's hymen counts as self harm

Miraluka · 2014-12-09, 21:30

On that scene looked like she was forcing herself to stand up despite knowing she can't walk.

Iby · 2014-12-10, 03:09

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Originally Posted by Pablete

The OST's been released.

Speaking about Madoka Magica/Yuuki Yuuna this OST certainly has some similarities with Madoka OST (latin chanting/violins?) but it also has this... you know, burning passion and heroic kind of feel added? Really diggining it.
Also wondering what have they prepared for the ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆***** track, sounds too epic.

rladls2121 · 2014-12-11, 01:21

Hero Club is currently partly unstable.
Itsuki and Fu might have cooled down as it seems.
However, Togo, Karin and possibly Yuuna might also snap someday in the future.
Of course it affects them much more if Vertex appears more often.

Middle School Students females, given these extreme ordeal.
Are these things trend these days?

This reminds me of an another anime.

Spoiler for Fu being a leader::

Fu is still a student, I think she'll do fine as long as she does not give up.

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	I'd say one of Madoka's theme is true desire and martyrdom Spoiler: Sayaka's real wish wasn't to heal Kyousuke. She wanted to be loved by him. She wished otherwise and suffered. After dying, she compromised, accepted and wished for his happiness. She martyred her desire for his happiness. Homura's initial and real wish was to protect Madoka. Not the world She tried to honor Madoka's wish but her own wish was never granted. She despised that Madoka had to sacrifice herself for the world. Unlike Sayaka she never let go, and her desire both corrupted and empowered her. She accepted her darkness and emerged as someone that is beyond a Witch She took Madoka's place so Madoka didn't have to. She martyred herself so Madoka didn't have to. And that's why Madoka fandom is divided. Is it okay to be exploited for the sake of the world? Is that honorable? or is that idiotic? I'm not sure what YuYuYu's commentary on this is, if it has any to make but we shall see I think Takahiro has some right wing leanings, so if I were to guess he's a proponent of self sacrifice __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	Hero Club is currently partly unstable. Itsuki and Fu might have cooled down as it seems. However, Togo, Karin and possibly Yuuna might also snap someday in the future. Of course it affects them much more if Vertex appears more often. Middle School Students females, given these extreme ordeal. Are these things trend these days? This reminds me of an another anime. Spoiler for Fu being a leader:: Just like Zura said, a leader must be cool at all times and never show his/her weakness. He failed to maintain that in a half way though. He plays, Jenga, Othello, and Uno as his philosophy to maintain his cooly thought to led his organization. He was ignored by his comrades, his pet called him a fool. But even he cried in tears, he desperately asked for his closest friend's help who is in a "hellish situation". Fu is still a student, I think she'll do fine as long as she does not give up.