(CR) Magic Kaito 1412

[Stark700]

What a cute episode. Co-Stars.

[BloodyKitty]

The fangirl princess is pretty cute. And really, KID always gets what he wants, from successfully stealing the jewel, teaching the cocky detective a lesson, to helping the Inspector not being fired.

Originally Posted by Kaitou Kid

Did you read the whole Yaiba manga? I haven't, so I would like to ask you something: how many appearence of Magic Kaito characters are there? I know that Yaiba's school is Ekoda School, Keiko appears in chapter 4, Sayaka mistakes a thief for Kaitou Kid in chapter 81, and in the final chapter (255) Keiko and her friend from Blue Birthday say that Kaito and Aoko are now (three years into the future) together. Are there other appearences/mentions? A German wiki says (from what I can understand) that Keiko and her friend may have more appearances: is this true?
Also, I know about the Heiji/Okita connection, but I wonder if it is the only connection between Yaiba and Detective Conan (exluding references to Yaiba found in DC): according to TVTropes, there is a chapter where Yaiba makes a parody of Kamen Rider and claims to be "Kamen Yaiba", a name that will later be used as the fictional masked hero later featured in Detective Conan. Is this true?

I finished Yaiba manga today and yeah, most of this is true, though I'm not sure if Sayaka's school is Ekoda, the manga never mentioned the name.

Quoted from my posts in previous page:

Also I breezed through vol 1-2 of Yaiba and found out some references with Magic Kaito:

- Keiko (best female friend of Aoko in Magic Kaito) studies in the same class with Sayaka in middle school, but it's not specified which school and which grade they're in.
- Keiko's first appearance in Yaiba is in chapter 4, which is the first chapter showing Yaiba & Sayaka going to school.
- From here on I'll post pictures of Keiko's appearances using the English scanlation:

Spoiler for Keiko's appearances in Yaiba vol 1-2:

Chapter 4


Chapter 5


Chapter 11

I'm on vol 9 of Yaiba and there are no more references to Magic Kaito until chapter 81 just as you mentioned

Spoiler for mention of Kaitou KID in Yaiba:

Yaiba chapter 81

Anyway, since I can't find the English scanlations of the latter half of the manga, I'll post some pictures from my native copies of the manga. I can read some Japanese but I can't find a Japanese version anywhere, so I can only translated some relevant panels (not all of them, sorry) from my native language to English. Sorry for the poor quality if any and I worry that some part of the Yaiba version I have is not true to the Japanese version so it would also affect my translation:

Spoiler for Kamen Yaiba in Yaiba Vol 18 chapter 184:

Some panels in Vol 18 chapter 184, with my translation
This chapter we have Yaiba make parody of Kamen Rider as "Kamen Yaiba", which name will be used as the masked hero figure of the detective kids in Detective Conan.

Spoiler for Okita Soshi in Yaiba Volume 24 chapter 248-250:

Volume 24 chapter 248-250
Here comes Okita Soshi who is later featured as a background character in Conan. He is a participant in the Oda Nobunaga tournament and fought with Yaiba in the fourth round. He's a gifted swordman who is also very laid-back and kind and always knows when to stop. He wanted to win this tournament so that he could fulfill the promise with his grandfather that he would only quit kendo if he won. His skills clearly surpass Yaiba in their fight that even Musashi acknowledged him as a true genius. Before he met Yaiba he was pretty fed up with kendo because it's too easy for him, but he later changed his mind because of Yaiba's perseverance and determination in the fight. Okita forfeited the match with Yaiba despite having dealt Yaiba a lot of severe injuries while he himself was not injured, because he knows if he continues, he will lose, and he also said to Yaiba that he won't try to give up kendo anymore. He's such an interesting character and it's way too bad that he showed up too late that he has no more appearances.

Some pictures of Okita in Yaiba:





Okita in one page of chapter 315 of Detective Conan:

Spoiler for Keiko's last appearances and mentions of other MK characters, Yaiba Volume 24 chapter 255 (finale):

Some panels of Volume 24 chapter 255 (finale), with my translation in one panel

The confirmation of Kaito and Aoko dating is here ^^, with some appearances of Keiko and the other friend of Aoko.

[Kaitou Kid]

Thank you very much, BloodyKitty, you are awesome!
You started posting the first references soon after I asked you, and you managed to finish the job before I even managed (I was busy lately) to comment your first post! Reading all 24 volumes in few days seems impressive, though I guess that Yaiba is a much faster reading than a complex detective series like Conan.

I have only mentally scanned your images before I have time to fully analyze them, but I see that Keiko is never called by name (even though we know it's her), just like the Ekoda School is never mentioned. Are Keiko and Syaka in the same class? I don't think so, or we should see Kaito/Aoko/Akako/Hakuba in Yaiba and Sayaka in Magic Kaito; it makes sense, however, that they could be in the same class three years after the time-skip, since Kaito and Aoko will not be in the same class anymore.

Originally Posted by Sky Field

Magic Kaito interests me more than Detective Conan, but I'm a little worried that Detective Conan will never end.

It will end, don't worry.

Originally Posted by Sky Field

However, the fact that the Bourbon arc took a looong time (iirc, around 7 or so years) to wrap up scares me. We're definitely going to have a Black Organization boss arc, and probably something related to Gin and more on Vermouth as well. None of that has started yet, so there's really no end in sight.

I don't have a problem with over-long arcs: DC is a mystery series and the "murder of the week" is just as important as the overarching plot.

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

I don't watch the previous adaptations of Crystal Mother, but I heard that this version of Crystal Mother in MK1412 is the closest to the manga.

It is the only version to have Kaito putting a sleeping pill on Aoko's drink, as opposed to having her smelling pressed flowers (?) like in OVA 4 or Aoko just running away in special 11.
It is also the only version to have Snake talking with the Boss (who has a masked voice) at the phone, as opposed to talking with filler characters like Rose or Spider.

On the other hand, Kaito doesn't check the cat's eyes here (he only considers doing it but says it can't be there), and this is also the only version where Snake doesn't hit his head on the tunnel (which makes sense, since realistically he would be dead), instead running in the opposite direction of the train and falling.

[BloodyKitty]

Reading all 24 volumes in few days seems impressive, though I guess that Yaiba is a much faster reading than a complex detective series like Conan.

It's true that Yaiba is pretty easy to read, you can just shut your brain and enjoy the ride.

And I'm glad that it's helpful to anyone since there is no full English scans for the latter half of Yaiba.

Originally Posted by Kaitou Kid

I have only mentally scanned your images before I have time to fully analyze them, but I see that Keiko is never called by name (even though we know it's her), just like the Ekoda School is never mentioned. Are Keiko and Syaka in the same class? I don't think so, or we should see Kaito/Aoko/Akako/Hakuba in Yaiba and Sayaka in Magic Kaito; it makes sense, however, that they could be in the same class three years after the time-skip, since Kaito and Aoko will not be in the same class anymore.

In Yaiba Sayaka is still in middle school and she only showed up as a high school student after the 3-year time skip, and there is no mention or cameo of Kaito or Aoko before the time skip, also in MK we only see Keiko and Kaito/Aoko in the same class in second year of high school while Hakuba & Akako are transferred students, so it's possible that either Keiko and Kaito/Aoko are not in the same class in middle school or they don't go to the same middle school.

And there are some basis that make me think Sayaka and Keiko are in the same class in middle school at the start of the series.

Spoiler for a bit speculation with Yaiba pictures:

There is this panel:



The teachers came to ask her specifically about Yaiba, not Sayaka, so I think Keiko has to be in Yaiba and Sayaka's class to have any idea who and where Yaiba is or else the teachers wouldn't have asked her, and she thought that Yaiba and Sayaka had gone to the dojo, which means she might have heard the previous conversation in class between Yaiba and Sayaka to have some idea.

And also in these following panels Keiko is staying in the same classroom as Sayaka and Yaiba when they are waiting for the class to start.

You can at least check out chapter 4, 5 and 11 of Yaiba to further analyze, there is English scanlation of those chapters somewhere out there.

About Sayaka's school year, I have a headcanon that at the start of the series Sayaka is in second year of middle school. In chapter 208 there is a half-year time skip and there is no sight of Keiko in Sayaka's class so they must be in different classes in third year of middle school by then. In the final chapter there is that 3-year time skip and the school uniforms changed so at this point Sayaka and Keiko should be in third year of high school, which makes sense with Magic Kaito timeline since in Magic Kaito, Kaito and co. are in second year of high school and Kaito/Aoko are not dating yet.

[AntonKutovoi]

Nice episode. Princess is cute.

P.S. I most certainly didn't expect Takeshi Kusao to appear in 3 anime this season (even though only one of these roles is major and one is from the previous season).

[Kyouka]

http://www.jpopsuki.tv/video/CHiCO-w...ac4c7e92048408

<3 <3

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Kyouka

http://www.jpopsuki.tv/video/CHiCO-w...ac4c7e92048408

<3 <3

The OP2 is pretty good. In fact I think both OPs and EDs are good. As for the recent episode, that little princess was pretty cute. Being voiced by Kirino Taketatsu Ayana also wasn't bad.

[RogerSmith2004]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the later episodes of Kaito. It'll be cool to see who this Black Kaito is after his appearance in the opening.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Stark700

What a cute episode. Co-Stars.

That was great lol. Kaito has a heart. Lol, but he inadvertently made Inspector Nakamori more useful in future cases because he now knows how magicians think, lol.

[RogerSmith2004]

Originally Posted by dniv

That was great lol. Kaito has a heart. Lol, but he inadvertently made Inspector Nakamori more useful in future cases because he now knows how magicians think, lol.

Yeah, I'm really liking the character development Kaito is going through. These last few episodes he's really showing to be a lot more caring of others, what with the Queen of Ingram's son in episode 14, the princess in the most recent episode, and even Aoko in episode 13.

[FLCLFan]

Yeah, I just finished the last episode, and I liked the prince kid. He was cool.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by RogerSmith2004

It'll be cool to see who this Black Kaito is after his appearance in the opening.

Looks like his father. If that black Kaito is a real person, probably an imposter.

[RogerSmith2004]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Looks like his father. If that black Kaito is a real person, probably an imposter.

Yeah, I think Black Kaito is his father, too.

[SinsI]

What a bullshit episode.
Quote "Mythbusters": "gasoline burns at 4.8 km/h, which is as fast as a brisk walk". Bike rides much faster, so you can't make flame catch up to it.

[BloodyKitty]

^ Wow you just have to complain about that particular one don't you . You can totally blamed in on Gosho though, as he wrote it like that in the Detective Conan manga. Besides, long ago I also complained about how iffy Gosho's characterization got since his so-called righteous detective could very well burn someone alive when he shoot the gas tank (if we follow his logic with the gasoline).

I wholeheartedly recommend any newcomers to watch its other version in Detective Conan (ep 356, it's also 40 minutes to boot), or read the Detective Conan manga (chap 453-456) before watching this episode. This case is not originally in the Magic Kaito series, and even then, imo the way they do it in this episode just made it a throwaway in regards of storytelling and details. It's a good case in Detective Conan because we can follow Conan's POV to see the setting details, the unbelievable magic show and unraveling the mystery along the way, while the MK1412 version just fucking stripped off all of that and confused viewers by only vaguely showing what KID and Conan did from time to time, without following the story closely to let the viewers understand what's truly going on, and just let Conan explain all in one time while viewers still don't really get everything beforehand.

As someone who has read this part of the DC manga, I also can perfectly do without this episode as it offered even less than what I already know. It could have some values as a behind-the-scene episode for the DC version but then it didn't even follow KID's perspective in a full heist closely. At least the Ryoma case in MK1412 showed most of KID's POV of the case and see how an outsider can see Conan working more than this ep (although the rewriting was a bit iffy as said in previous pages).

[Stark700]

Another Conan and Kaito cross over episode? Hell yeah. It's more refreshing that way seeing the two geniuses in this series.

[Kaitou Kid]

I agree with BloddyKitty's analysis, this is my favourite Kid case in Detective Conan (I remember unsuccessfully trying to solve it when I first read it in 2008), but this rewritten version sucks because it ruins the mystery and all the twists, not to mention they even changed few facts.
I suggest all of you to read or watch the DC version (reading it is better, since the DC anime version of the case messed up few things), even though you already know the trick if you watched this episode.

The only thing that I disagree with in BloddyKitty's message is this bit

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

Besides, long ago I also complained about how iffy Gosho's characterization got since his so-called righteous detective could very well burn someone alive when he shoot the gas tank (if we follow his logic with the gasoline).

Actually, Conan didn't want to burn Kid alive: he poked a hole in the gas tank because he wanted the bike to stop (if Conan used his Stun-Gun Wristwatch while the bike was moving they would have caused an accident). However, Conan didn't predict that Kid would detach the sidecar from the bike, and the friction between the bike and the fuel caused the explosion.

Originally Posted by SinsI

What a bullshit episode.
Quote "Mythbusters": "gasoline burns at 4.8 km/h, which is as fast as a brisk walk". Bike rides much faster, so you can't make flame catch up to it.

"What a bullshit episode"? So for you the gasoline thing is like the only thing that happened in this heist? I am certanly not a fan of the rewrite this anime did to change the POV, but the original story is very solid.

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

It's true that Yaiba is pretty easy to read, you can just shut your brain and enjoy the ride.

And I'm glad that it's helpful to anyone since there is no full English scans for the latter half of Yaiba.



In Yaiba Sayaka is still in middle school and she only showed up as a high school student after the 3-year time skip, and there is no mention or cameo of Kaito or Aoko before the time skip, also in MK we only see Keiko and Kaito/Aoko in the same class in second year of high school while Hakuba & Akako are transferred students, so it's possible that either Keiko and Kaito/Aoko are not in the same class in middle school or they don't go to the same middle school.

And there are some basis that make me think Sayaka and Keiko are in the same class in middle school at the start of the series.

Spoiler for a bit speculation with Yaiba pictures:

There is this panel:



The teachers came to ask her specifically about Yaiba, not Sayaka, so I think Keiko has to be in Yaiba and Sayaka's class to have any idea who and where Yaiba is or else the teachers wouldn't have asked her, and she thought that Yaiba and Sayaka had gone to the dojo, which means she might have heard the previous conversation in class between Yaiba and Sayaka to have some idea.

And also in these following panels Keiko is staying in the same classroom as Sayaka and Yaiba when they are waiting for the class to start.

You can at least check out chapter 4, 5 and 11 of Yaiba to further analyze, there is English scanlation of those chapters somewhere out there.

About Sayaka's school year, I have a headcanon that at the start of the series Sayaka is in second year of middle school. In chapter 208 there is a half-year time skip and there is no sight of Keiko in Sayaka's class so they must be in different classes in third year of middle school by then. In the final chapter there is that 3-year time skip and the school uniforms changed so at this point Sayaka and Keiko should be in third year of high school, which makes sense with Magic Kaito timeline since in Magic Kaito, Kaito and co. are in second year of high school and Kaito/Aoko are not dating yet.

So the timeline is a bit more complicated than I thought. Your scan of chapter 255 has Keiko saying that Kuroba and Nakamori have become a couple, but apparently in the original scan Keiko says the "Kuroba-kun from section B and Nakamori-san from section F" have become a couple:

This scene cannot be set in the present because Kaito and Aoko are in the same section (B) of the second year of high school. I thought that most of the Yaiba manga was set at the same time of Magic Kaito with the exception being the final part of the last Yaiba chapter, which would be set three years in the future, where Kaito and Aoko are in the second year of university (high school in Japan lasts three years); the scans you posted shaked my conviction: if Sayaka and Aoko are in the same class but Kaito isn't there (and Sayaka isn't in Magic Kaito except for the crossover) then maybe in most of the Yaiba series Sayaka and Keiko are in middle school, which will explain why Keiko looks younger in most of the Yaiba series. I don't know what to think.

Originally Posted by RogerSmith2004

Yeah, I'm really liking the character development Kaito is going through. These last few episodes he's really showing to be a lot more caring of others, what with the Queen of Ingram's son in episode 14, the princess in the most recent episode, and even Aoko in episode 13.

The funny thing about the so-called "character developement" is that the manga chapters are animated out of order:
*episode 13 with the ski contest is adapted from chapter 7 (which is the 8th in order of production)
*episode 14 with the Queen and her son is adapted from chapter 21
*episode 15 with the princess is adapter from chapter 2 (which is the 3rd in order of production)

[BloodyKitty]

So the timeline is a bit more complicated than I thought. Your scan of chapter 255 has Keiko saying that Kuroba and Nakamori have become a couple, but apparently in the original scan Keiko says the "Kuroba-kun from section B and Nakamori-san from section F" have become a couple:

This scene cannot be set in the present because Kaito and Aoko are in the same section (B) of the second year of high school. I thought that most of the Yaiba manga was set at the same time of Magic Kaito with the exception being the final part of the last Yaiba chapter, which would be set three years in the future, where Kaito and Aoko are in the second year of university (high school in Japan lasts three years); the scans you posted shaked my conviction: if Sayaka and Aoko are in the same class but Kaito isn't there (and Sayaka isn't in Magic Kaito except for the crossover) then maybe in most of the Yaiba series Sayaka and Keiko are in middle school, which will explain why Keiko looks younger in most of the Yaiba series. I don't know what to think.

Like I said, the scan I posted is translated by myself from my native language's version of Yaiba, and my native language's version definitely have badly translated parts (mostly because of localization) so my copies's translation is not 100% true to the Japanese manga. Therefore I need to get the Japanese scans to make sure (which sadly I don't have). However, you could see the school uniforms are different between most of the series and the last chapter, while university students in Japan don't wear uniform, and various sources including the Japanese wiki confirm that Sayaka is in middle school for most of the series so I just took that as fact.

If any other issues arise, take it from Gosho's words: you can always see these works "as parallel universes"

The funny thing about the so-called "character developement" is that the manga chapters are animated out of order:

Yeah that's true. A reader like me could see that Kaito "has a heart" from the start but he doesn't show it often, while anime viewers see it as "character development".

If somebody is interested here is the original order of MK1412 episodes if it closely follows the manga. You might be shocked at how much the episodes jump around:

Spoiler for MK 1412 episodes original order:

• Episode 1 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 1)
• Episode 15 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 2)
• Episode 7 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 4)
• Episode 5 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 6)
• Episode 13 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 7)
• Second half of episode 8 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 10)
• First half of episode 8 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 12 with some major changes)
• Episode 3 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 13)
• Episode 12 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 14)
• Episode 4 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapters 15 & 16)
• Episode 2 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 19)
• Episode 17 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 20)
• Episode 14 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 21)
• Episode 6 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapters 23 & 24)
• Episode 16 (retold from Detective Conan manga chapters 453-456)
• Episode 9 & first half of episode 10 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapters 29 & 30)
• Second half of episode 10 & episode 11 (retold from Detective Conan manga chapters 731-733)

[Kaitou Kid]

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

Like I said, the scan I posted is translated by myself from my native language's version of Yaiba, and my native language's version definitely have badly translated parts (mostly because of localization) so my copies's translation is not 100% true to the Japanese manga. Therefore I need to get the Japanese scans to make sure (which sadly I don't have).

Can you read Japanese? And if you can, does the Japanese scan I posted in my previous message say that Kaito is in section B and Aoko in section F? Of course I can read "B" and "F", but since I can't read the Japanese words around these letters I am not sure if this is what Keiko says.

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

However, you could see the school uniforms are different between most of the series and the last chapter, while university students in Japan don't wear uniform, and various sources including the Japanese wiki confirm that Sayaka is in middle school for most of the series so I just took that as fact.

So it really seems that they are in middle school, and the fact that university students in Japan don't wear uniform confirms this. However, there are two problems: if most of Yaiba is set three years into the past compared to the MK timeline...
*why does the only scene of Yaiba set in MK-present say that Kaito and Aoko are in different sections when in MK they are in the same section?
*why are the school uniforms of Sayaka, Keiko and her firend in the last chapter of Yaiba different from the uniforms shown in the whole MK series?
Of course a logical answer would be...

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

If any other issues arise, take it from Gosho's words: you can always see these works "as parallel universes"

Touchè.
If we can't solve this issue, then I guess I will just use that explanation.
Though I would like to come up with a different explanation, so I ask you: do you remember MK chapter 18, which is the crossover between MK and Yaiba? Are there some elements in that story that has you say "this story can't happen before Yaiba chapter X" and/or "this story can't happen after Yaiba chapter Y"?

Another interesting question would be: if Heji says in DC chapter 314 that he fought Okita "last year" and the Okita vs "H. Hattori" match in Yaiba happens before the 3-year time skip, does this mean that most of Yaiba is set one year before the DC timeline? Of course in this case the "parallel universes" theory is even stronger than the DC-MK case, since except for a single appearance of Okita (a little more than a cameo) in DC, Yaiba is often mentioned in DC s a fictional series.

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

Yeah that's true. A reader like me could see that Kaito "has a heart" from the start but he doesn't show it often, while anime viewers see it as "character development".

I agree, though it is interesting to notice that as the manga progresses and becomes more serious (in both script and art) Kaito's characterization also changes a bit: for example the whole scenes of "Kaito as a perverted boy" belong to the earlier chapters, while it seems this aspect was dropped from later chapters.
Another thing is that people talk about Kaito's fear of fish as if it were a regualar aspect of the character, while in the fact it was only shown in four chapters, all from 1987-1988.

Originally Posted by BloodyKitty

If somebody is interested here is the original order of MK1412 episodes if it closely follows the manga. You might be shocked at how much the episodes jump around:

MK 1412 episodes original order

• Episode 1 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 1)
• Episode 15 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 2)
• Episode 7 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 4)
• Episode 5 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 6)
• Episode 13 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 7)
• Second half of episode 8 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 10)
• First half of episode 8 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 12 with some major changes)
• Episode 3 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 13)
• Episode 12 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 14)
• Episode 4 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapters 15 & 16)
• Episode 2 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 19)
• Episode 17 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 20)
• Episode 14 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 21)
• Episode 6 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapters 23 & 24)
• Episode 16 (retold from Detective Conan manga chapters 453-456)
• Episode 9 & first half of episode 10 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapters 29 & 30)
• Second half of episode 10 & episode 11 (retold from Detective Conan manga chapters 731-733)

BloodyKitty's list is so complete that there's not much I can add, other than the episodes adapted from Detctive Conan (most of episode 10 plus the whole episode 11; episode 16) were also rewritten so that the episodes are told from Kaito's point of view (but it was already obvious even before my precisation ).

I'll add that the second MK cahpter Gosho produced was "The Hustler VS. The Magician" (animated as MK1412 episode 3), which was rejected at first by the editor and was only published at the end of volume 2 without it ever being published in a magazine first, which made it chapter 13 instead of chapter 2: this means that chapters 2-12 are actually chapters 3-13 if we count them in order of production. However, MK is the only manga (or one of the few manga) in which chapters are not officially numbered.

There is also the fact that it is difficult to know exactly when the Midair Walk (DC chapters 453-456) takes place in MK timeline, as we only know that it happens sometimes after MK chapter 24 and before MK chapter 29; however it isn't a problem for a timeline based of MK1412 episodes that aired until now, since in this anime there aren't yet adaptations of chapters 25 to 28.

Another thing is that chapters 23-24 are mostly made up of a flashback that happens sometimes after Hakuba's intro in chapter 15 (possibly after chapter 17 since Hakuba is said to have returned to London in the flashback of chapter 23) and before chapter 23 itself.

Last but not least, I'll comment "First half of episode 8 (adapted from Magic Kaito manga chapter 12 with some major changes)" by adding that the main change is that in chapter 12 Akako doesn't appear at all, which is ironic as many people who saw episode 8 but didn't read the manga kept saying "what a bad twist, I knew it was Akako".

[BloodyKitty]

Originally Posted by Kaitou Kid

Can you read Japanese? And if you can, does the Japanese scan I posted in my previous message say that Kaito is in section B and Aoko in section F? Of course I can read "B" and "F", but since I can't read the Japanese words around these letters I am not sure if this is what Keiko says.

Eh, don't count on me too much since I'm very bad with kanji in Japanese. The word 組 after the letters "B" and "F" very likely means "Class" in context, but it could also mean a "set", "group", "team" or similar. It would help if the furigana in the scan is clearer, but I'll go with "Class" rather than "Section". A more literal translation of the panel to my best understanding:


Keiko: Hey Sayaka, did you hear? Kuroba-kun from Class B and Nakamori-san from Class F have become an item!!
Sayaka: Heh, I knew it!!
Other girl: There's no doubt! That's what I saw <3

My headcanon that in Yaiba final chapter, Kaito and Aoko are in third year of high school and in different classes could still stand, though there's the fact that the school uniform is different from the one we saw in MK. Then again "parallel universes"

Originally Posted by Kaitou Kid

Though I would like to come up with a different explanation, so I ask you: do you remember MK chapter 18, which is the crossover between MK and Yaiba? Are there some elements in that story that has you say "this story can't happen before Yaiba chapter X" and/or "this story can't happen after Yaiba chapter Y"?

I just reread that chapter, and well I can say that if MK timeline and Yaiba timeline do coincide, this chapter should happen before the 3-year timeskip of Yaiba, since Yaiba and co is staying at Sayaka's house in this chapter while in those 3 years between the timeskip Yaiba went on an adventure and didn't return during this period. This would greatly contradict my headcanon that Sayaka is in middle school in most of Yaiba while she studies in the same class as Keiko, who is in high school in MK and also in the same class as Kaito.

Originally Posted by Kaitou Kid

Another interesting question would be: if Heji says in DC chapter 314 that he fought Okita "last year" and the Okita vs "H. Hattori" match in Yaiba happens before the 3-year time skip, does this mean that most of Yaiba is set one year before the DC timeline? Of course in this case the "parallel universes" theory is even stronger than the DC-MK case, since except for a single appearance of Okita (a little more than a cameo) in DC, Yaiba is often mentioned in DC s a fictional series.

I read from TVTropes that the full name for the guy is Hattori Hanzo, not Hattori Heiji, though that full name is not featured in my Yaiba volume so it might be from the Yaiba anime. It also said that he was defeated by Onimaru, not Okita. This is confirmed in the manga, because here we have a picture of the names for three participants in the semifinals of that tournament arc:

Spoiler for Yaiba chapter 247:

Which we can see Hattori did not fight Yaiba or Okita, but rather Onimaru, who later became Yaiba's opponent in the final match. I think this adds to the "parallel universes" theory for Yaiba-DC, as I don't think this "Hattori" is Hattori Heiji.