2015-02-16, 19:07 | Link #7623 |
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Est's power seems to be power over weapons, or anything that might be used as a weapon. If you want to speculate you can say that it's just weapon creation and telekinesis, because aside from moving around metal weapons with her mind and summoning various elemental wafe forms of herself, she doesn't do much.
I dunno, she just seems sort of empty to me. What if she's the discarded shell after the will and power of Ren Ashdoll left the original body, but in return she retains the generic abilities and elemental waffe forms of Ren Ashdoll? We know from the LN that "slaying" a high rank spirit, let alone an elemental lord is extremely hard, why should Ashdoll be any different? |
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Summoning various Elemental Waffe forms of herself? The times Est changed her form were to that short sword form, which did not deviate from her nature as a sword spirit. Even Restia could do the same, so that's nothing special. Est can dispel/negate/destroy all kinds of magic and curses; is almost indestructible; can grant the contractor the resilience and toughness of Steel, and you say she can't do much? I'm actually wondering what you're comparing her with.... Quote:
And no, Ren Ashdoll was not affected by that Otherworldly Darkness during the Spirit War. She was only contaminated after she came in contact with it during the time Kamito released Iseria.
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Also isn't Terminus Est Zwei 50% Darkness or just abilities from Restia.
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2015-02-16, 22:45 | Link #7633 |
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I seriously think a lot of people need to go re-read this series(I might do the same when we finally get a new release date for the next volume). It was stated in every volume of the blade dance arc at least once that est's attribute of steel strengthens kamito's body making him more robust. It is stated many times that there are attributes besides the main ones of the elemental lords. For a more clear example, dragons. Go back and read about how Leonora is constantly using dragon magic(yes, dragon attribute magic) to enhance her body strength etc. Very clearly there is more out there than 6 elements.
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2015-02-16, 22:53 | Link #7635 |
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Definitely not. It is stated the contractors recieve stronger magic traits from their spirits if the elements correspond. Claires fireballs are stonger since Scarlet is of the fire attribute. Kamito doesnt recieve earth magic from est, he recieves the ability to create a short sword using the steel attribute. Leonora clearly states she uses dragon attribute magic to enhance her strength. Not sure how theres room to imply there, please explain.
”she was likely using dragon property spirit magic to supplement her muscle strength” v5 p181. Passed a few more examples in just that volume but this one seemed pretty clear with little to imply. Last edited by GetInDaZone222; 2015-02-16 at 23:13. Reason: quote added |
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Ok, it seems that you either did not read the novel or has completely forgotten the contents of it. So, let me enlighten you a bit. Quote:
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About the granting Kamito the Steel properties, here: Spoiler for Vol 12 Chapter 10:
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Again, your arguments completely contradict themselves. If Est were to be a part of the Darkness Elemental Lord power, how the hell would she be an Earth Spirit? Besides, an Earth Spirit stronger than the Earth Elemental Lord itself? Spoiler for Vol 12 Chapter 10:
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Phew. End of my huge wall of text. Here's my advise for you: Go back and read the entire novel again, and properly this time.
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Well at least you are admitting your errors a little now. First you were sure there were only 6 elements now youre saying there are branches, but ill have to agree with Ophis and say you need to re-read the series. Youre aware that your example is comparing what could be called.the ruler of all water to a regular(although not especially weak) spirit. In fact, id be more surprised if Iseria couldnt do something as simple as control ice seeing as shes the lord of water...As for the rest of your statement, please re-read the quote I just posted, dragon-property-spirit-magic in case you missed it again. It is called as such everytime he deals with Leonora and the same could be said for the spirits of her country. Nidhogg is the strongest dragon spirit...not flame spirit in the form of a dragon or something, dragon-spirit that gives its contracter dragon attribute magic. Sorry for the wall that is just a copy of what I already stated
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Remember, even the winner of Blade Dance has to be at a fair distance from the Elemental Lords when in the audience hall. The only reason Kamito succeeded in freeing Iseria and Volcanicus is because the wish froze their movements.
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