(L+CR) Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso (NoitaminA)

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Dop

Actually, I could kind of see the manga writer doing a spinoff with Kousei, Emi and Takeshi a few years on. Maybe if they moved it on a few years to college. Might not work, might not be a good idea, but there definitely seems a friendly rivalry and chemistry there.

There is an amazing chemistry between the three of them. Actually, why College though? It's very likely that the three of them end up in the same Music High School.

Also, one possible ending is that the surgery succeeds and Kaori get's a few extra years to live. The show ends with the shadow that Kaori likely will eventually die by the end of High School, but at least she have two to three more years.

The second of course, is that Kaori dies, and becomes Arima Kousei's eternal muse.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

It's very normal in shows to have the patient not willing to risk instant death on a risky procedure that is not mentioned about until it is time. The show never stated that Kawori never had a chance. It's not bad writing, just normal standards for years now. I understand your extreme dislike for Kawori, but this is really common in shows. Unless you're trying to say every show in the past that has ever used this is bad writing?

Plots with unnamed diseases almost always have bad writing, but some shows work with them and still create something cool. In particular, I'm thinking of CLANNAD right now, that was masterpiece that could have resolved either way. Of course it's a different genre but shows how far imagination can stretch a standard setup.

The problem here is that the fact that surgery was always on the table was never established. Moves like this need a system behind it. The only system employed for this could be how the characters are pushing each other to never give up and do their best. As I've criticized before, I don't like that Kousei made the manifestation of his trauma his super power, because it's not a very responsible way to talk about overcoming emotional trauma. Similarly with Kaori, the show does the dance of death and then nonchalantly and unconcerned about the implications it had created does a 180, leaving life on the table. This irresponsible way of dealing with things is what I "extremely hate" with the show.

I'd rather have a Hiluluk ending than this, quite honestly.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by cyth

The problem here is that the fact that surgery was always on the table was never established.

In most shows, if surgery was mentioned, it was mentioned when the disease was initially introduced and diagnosed. Shigatsu is one of the shows that already had the disease in place when the show started. These type of shows usually do not mention a potentially magical surgical cure until the very last minute. There usually is no other good time to mention it since the original diagnosis was never in the story.

As for nameless diseases, they are practically used all the time. Rarely does an anime name its disease. I can only think of 2 animes that actually put a name to a real disease. Sword Art Online and Space Brothers are the only animes that I can recall to do so.

As for Clannad, I am still depressed with even the thought of it, so I haven't seen the series again since it aired. I'm pretty sure that the choices were given during the initial diagnosis, though.

[Nachtwandler]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

As for nameless diseases, they are practically used all the time. Rarely does an anime name its disease. I can only think of 2 animes that actually put a name to a real disease. Sword Art Online and Space Brothers are the only animes that I can recall to do so.

In EF ~A Tale of Melodies~ and Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora decease was specified.

[Psyco Diver]

I don't recall them saying she would live, more it "might" give her more time "if" she survives, at least thats how I interpreted it

[cyth]

The perfect ending would go something like Kaori dying on the operating table, then Kousei getting a mouthful from her papa about irresponsibly cheering her on without knowing anything and sending her to her death, leaving Kousei ripe for a mental institution. Would be epic.

[SuitUp]

^
Just a little bit jaded, aren't we?

[cyth]

Sure, the plot is already broken for me, worse than Aldnoah.Zero's. Can't do much else except have fun with it at this point.

[relentlessflame]

This thread is for the anime, wholly the anime, and nothing but the anime, so help you all if you keep on with these pointless tangents. If you've spoiled yourself, shut up and don't give hints. If you can't stop yourself from being biased and giving hints, then leave this thread.

If you want to do spoiler-tagged comparisons for stuff already shown in the anime, then please read the rules about it. But no talking about stuff that's yet to come.

[DragoonKain3]

Yeah, girl with glasses is killing me. Who are you and what is your relationship with Takeshi? Because TakeshiXEmi 4ever!

Originally Posted by Psyco Diver

I don't recall them saying she would live, more it "might" give her more time "if" she survives, at least thats how I interpreted it

I also had the same impression. I actually was perplexed at how a major surgery would give her the ability to play the violin in such a short time, and only here did the notion that she totally recovered from her illness entered my mind. Like, I got NOTHING like that at all.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Yeah, girl with glasses is killing me. Who are you and what is your relationship with Takeshi? Because TakeshiXEmi 4ever!

No, no, Emi is part of Kousei's harem. Takeshi is also part of Kousei's harem.

[Fellen]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

No, no, Emi is part of Kousei's harem. Takeshi is also part of Kousei's harem.

Unless stated otherwise EVERYONE is/will be a part of Kousei's harem.

[Stark700]

Episode 20:

Spoiler:

Lol, Kaori's reactions are hilarious.

Good buildup episode overall in regards with Tsubaki and Arima's relationship. We can also see a bit of insight from his personal narrative based on the flashbacks. I also find it interesting on how natural he is able to admit his feelings for Kaori to Wataru even though I think it was obvious that the latter knew.

I'm preparing for the worst now because it does not look like Kaori's condition is getting any better than it is now. I just hope she won't die through the operation but that suffering

[Fellen]

Seems like Tsubaki got what she wanted. Poor Kousei. Life hits hard sometimes.

[hai_san]

Damn really have to feel for Tsubaki, she does her best but is without any chance. But then at the end of ep, Kaori is in coma... she is also pitiful...

What is the better ending, Tsubaki getting Kousei and Kaori is healthy but with Watari (or another guy) all of them happy. Or Kaori dies and she and Kousei have a true love forever but without a happy ending... a la 5centimeter or even worse since 1 of them actually dies...

[~Yami~]

Tsubaki did it!!!
the cat-scene... I can't comment about it..
It is a horrible day for Kousei
I don't remember when the last time I feel like this while watching anime

They even left the funny part in order to deliver the whole emotion in this episode

Spoiler for funny part in manga:

when Seto-sensei teased Kousei about "long-haired" and "short-haired" girl and Nagi become furiously jealous

It is a brilliant adaptation

[SuitUp]

The guy crying and the "dissapearing into space" kind of ending did me no favors, I'm actually feeling sad right now, because with this development there's no turning back, she's gonna kick it... So lo and behold, the death of Kaori, and consecuently the birth of Arima, the perpetually melancholic pianist who howls at the stars...

[DragoonKain3]

So.... people still think Kaori's operation 'saved' her? Because I've been expecting something like this episode for the longest time now... This was something that was LONG overdue.

And oh God Tsubaki <3.... this author REALLY knows what makes the osnananajimi couple tick. I said it before, and I'll say it again, I ain't even mad even if he doesn't pair them up in the end.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

No, no, Emi is part of Kousei's harem. Takeshi is also part of Kousei's harem.

I know this reply was made in jest, but seriously speaking, Kousei can't have a harem when he always beelines for Kaori. So Emi in my mind goes with Takeshi, though the knowledge of glasses girl without knowing her relationship to Takeshi is still killing me. I mean, it's understandable about Takeshi's obssession with Kousei, but why does the picture include Emi as well? XD

BTW, anyone who can do moonrunes can say anything about the credits of eps 17/18/19? Maybe something about the VA list can give us a clue on who the heck glasses girl is, or even the name of her seiyuu. Anyone, please? It's killing me!

Originally Posted by hai_san

What is the better ending, Tsubaki getting Kousei and Kaori is healthy but with Watari (or another guy) all of them happy. Or Kaori dies and she and Kousei have a true love forever but without a happy ending... a la 5centimeter or even worse since 1 of them actually dies...

What? I thought the entire point of 5cm/s is that the notion of 'true love', 'fated one', or 'destiny' doesn't exist.

In any case, I'm still hoping for a TsubakiXKousei ending, but quite honestly? With two episodes remaining, I'm not holding my breath. Realistically speaking, I do think Kaori dies, but still she inspires Kousei to continue on with music for the rest of her life. Kousei is going to another country because like he messed up Kaori's performance, I bet Kaori will mess up his so they have to restart (but still standing ovation from the audience because the final performance is amazing). Tsubaki will go on high school, and hopefully Watari goes with her or somewhere near her, since he has been enamored with her all this time because she's not like the rest of his girls or something like that. Probably the only chance of an osananajimi couple for me, so I think that's probably wishful thinking as well. XD

So you know the saddest part? If Kousei was just a bit more confident or if Kaori did not use Watari as a misdirection (yes I honestly think Kaori is into Kousei, at least sometime during the series her feelings changed), they at least would've spent the rest of her life together making music. Not like this where Kaori has to use Watari as a proxy for Kousei (now wouldn't THAT be ironic?), and Kousei is still bumbling about when her sickness is getting worse and worse. That for me, is very saddening, even as a childhood friend shipper.

Of course, my disclaimer: all this is speculation. Yeah, I haven't read past like chap 20 (out of 40+?), and no I don't want to know what happens till the end. Same reason why I haven't finished A Silent Voice (yeah anyone who likes this will probably like that series too) I want to finish the series with the anime.

[Mangonel]

The cat scene was such a cheap shot I had to laugh at it.

Not sure if the scene is supposed to be foreshadowing or a metaphor for Kaori's situation or what but it came off trite.

This series has made me so comfortable with the thought of Kaori dieing that her ultimate survival/death is of little emotional consequence to me now.

Pretty much every ep since almost the very beginning that involves her has raised a death flag. It shows off Kaori being Kaori, IE a fun and interesting character then in the same breath whispers into your ear "shes gonna die" afterwards.

Its just been so weird to have a series wanting you to like a character while simultaneously telling you she'll be dead at the end of the series. Usually authors try to be more subtle with the foreshadowing so the death has proper emotional impact.

Being a cynic I can't help but feel the sheer number of death flags are there as misdirection for Kaori to ultimately live. But they've had so many really solid flags that if Kaori survives at this point it'll be nothing but an asspull.

The writing regarding Kaori's situation just comes off as clumsy to me. This whole series has been held up by its side characters and art. For me at least.

[HandofFate]

Can't believe Kousei thinks Kaori is into Watari-kun at this stage of the story. come on kid.
I guess in the beginning Kaori was drawn to Wateri since he was so full of life, and well she's short on it, but atm it shifted to Kousei who gave her hope for more life. I can actually see Kousei's actions, but I'm just "ahh get a clue"

I really love the Tsubaki perspective scenes. Really makes her a real character for me with conflicts and flaws that I want to see her grow from. Even if her idea of trying to get to a school near Kousei's music school to stay close to him doesn't work out. Her better grades is a fact, and it will benefit her future.
Its going to be so painful >_< Work hard childhood friend.

Tsubaki has a patient caring friend, willing to put up with her childishness.

So I just caught on that this black cat that appears in every episode is probably Kousei's old cat...

and then it gets run over AHHHHHHHHH