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Perfect 10 | 5 | 18.52% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 2 | 7.41% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 44.44% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 14.81% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 3.70% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 3.70% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 3.70% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 3.70% | |
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2015-03-08, 19:58 | Link #101 | |
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(No, screw that WWII 1946 nonsense, Shiden Kai (Nis) is where it is at. Quad 20mm autocannons. *breathing intensifies*) |
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2015-03-08, 23:32 | Link #105 | |
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It's the method in which Command did it which makes it painful: they had to dissolve Mobile Group 5, which up to that point had been Fubuki's fleet. Being the flagship of Mobile Group 5 means that their accomplishments are more or less Fubuki's as well, and thus it is the symbol of all the work that Fubuki put in. Basically, by disbanding Mobile Group 5, it's like Command is saying "your efforts with the group are worthless, we don't need you". Well, not as harsh as that, but it would certainly feel like that. This is something Fubuki cannot feel if it happened any earlier in the series.
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2015-03-09, 12:55 | Link #106 | ||
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I'm not saying Fubuki has to remain pure and righteous from start to finish, but thus far, Fubuki always has been portrayed as a girl who is insecure about herself but tries hard to compensate her shortcomings with training and so forth. She aspired to be Akagi's escort, but aside when Mutsuki and Yuudachi told her about their new assigned fleet, she didn't show anything that could be relatable with a tendency of envying other people. She is de facto an hardworker, and not once she ever complained or cursed other kanmusu for being "better than her". She is your usual humble character who prefers to change herself instead of changing the world. That's the very reason why her reaction towards Yuudachi's promotion then her whining afterwards didn't sink (no pun intended) in well with me. But beyond her immedate descent to despair, it was also the presentation and the timing of this drama that felt very obnoxious to me, considering how the story progressed thus far. We already went through with Fubuki being a greenhorn, and being promoted to the flagship position can't be just a fluke, but the result of her hard work. Everything wasn't nice and dandy and she did got the short end of a stick a times, but still moved on. That's why it doesn't make sense for the series to pretend that "maybe the admiral demoted her because she screwed up". Narrative wise, we know it is untrue and it is of course proved afterwards. But in term of presentation, the premise that she might have been demoted is a ludicrous plot point to me. From that, it is just a matter of perspective, but I really had hard time to stomach that. Quote:
That said, I think this train of thought is rather too convenient for the purpose of the drama exactly because her efforts were already acknowledged to begin with. Being promoted to a Mobile squadron is one thing, but being voted as the flagship by your peers and seniors, THEN being validated by the commander in chief... Everything thus far has been properly credited to her, moreso that nothing in the present would negate such achievements. Hell, even after Kaga got torpedo-ed hard, the admiral didn't blame her or anything and Nagato even praised her. So really, it is quite difficult to relate with a possible "what i've done was useless to begin with" since the achievements were done, and no one stated they were useless. If Nagato said something like "Mobile Squadron Five performances are not acceptable anymore" or something, I would buy that. But it is exactly after everything she went through that this train of thought is invalid in my eyes, since there is nothing that would make one to jump to the conclusion "well, it sucked". If the fleet disband occured right after their sortie against the Chi-class, I wouldn't complain much about Fubuki dismay. But after the Flagship promotion etc? Color me perplexed. Well, it isn't like I need to be convinced or I need to convince you either. I'm just giving explanations why it just doesn't cut it for me. ------- Didn't mean to land another "negative blow", but after watching this episode a second time, I guess it is the usual "something went wrong with the production". Spoiler for fucked up cuts:
I wish they could do some proper check...
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2015-03-09, 13:08 | Link #108 |
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I don't think it is being picky for exposing the obvious consistency issues of the series.
If it was a well animated sequence that would make animators lose track of certain details like smoke, bullets etc, I wouldn't mind much. The thing is that, considering the value of the franchise here, and yet the very static presentation of it, it is just a downer to see such obvious production mishaps. Whereas I can sort of "buy" what happened in ep6 to a certain extent, it is clearly not the case in ep7 and 9. Frankly, it is very same kind of mistakes that only minor franchise could get a free pass, even moreso since these cuts are nothing but static characters.
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2015-03-09, 13:31 | Link #109 |
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Real life + Game explanation of anime teitoku's behavior.
>>> Yeah! I got Fubuki from sortie (Ep.1) >>> Let send her to fight to gain some lv. so I can turn her to kai ni and put her in my main fleet (Carrier 1div) (Ep.2-4) >>> Ok, need to speed up. I will put her as flagship so she can get to her Kai ni faster (Ep.5-8) >>> Wait what?? Yuudachi can become Kai ni now??? (Ep.9) >>>> *Remodel Yuudachi* Wow she looks so much better! Sorry Fubuki, I have sold my soul to the demon of solomon. I will put you in the dock forever. (Ep.9) >>>> What is that?? Wo-class Flagship Kai!!!!!??? *got Air Denial* NOOOOOOO!!! Fubuki, I'm sorry please become kai ni for me! I need your AA-cut-in. (Ep.9) kuso teitoku indeed.
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2015-03-09, 21:44 | Link #110 | |
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Of course there is still the fix over BD release, and that would be what really matter nowadays. Let's just hope they will do it properly. The PV was almost flawless so i think they are capable of that (especially if they want have good reputationon their brand). Haven't checked Kyoani recently, but their brand was seriously boosted after fans showed how attentive-to-detail the Haruhi BD release is back at the day. Same to SHAFT
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2015-03-09, 23:09 | Link #111 | |
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I just caught back up on this show. The show has maintained a pretty good balance of action, comedy, and SoL.
For this episode in particular, I really like Yuudachi's upgrade. She looked cute before, but now she looks impressive. Leaves me wondering what Fubuki will look like after her coming upgrade... Leaving viewers with such a teasing thought was a great way to end the episode. As for the discussion on Fubuki's distress in this episode... Quote:
I didn't get the impression of Fubuki feeling inferior. Quite the contrary - What I saw was someone who has been performing very well, and who knows that she's been performing very well, and so the events of this episode naturally leave her going "Why?!" Fubuki's a nice girl who does a good job of sounding humble, but I'm sure deep down she realizes she's been doing a very good job. So the events of this episode simply leave her bewildered and distressed, as I think they would most people in her circumstances. Also, it's important to realize just how harsh the double-whammy is here. Not only does Yuudachi get to do exactly what Fubuki would want to do (get upgraded and get promoted to the main fleet), but at the same time, Fubuki feels like she's losing a source of pride and proof of accomplishment - Being the flagship of the Fifth Fleet. That doesn't remove what she's already accomplished, but then Fubuki is young, and (mostly) lives in the moment. Her current status is important, for while her accomplishments thus far have been very nice, it's not like she's ready to call it a career, if you catch my drift. She wants to keep doing well, and keep being in a place of prominence. Feeling like she's losing that will negatively impact her regardless of how she feels about her accomplishments to date.
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2015-03-09, 23:37 | Link #112 | |
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At the same time, her prior accomplishments being important are exactly what's keeping up her self-esteem, the support to a girl who once had the displeasure of being a clumsy girl with no skill. Undermine the importance of her past accomplishments, of all that she's done, and her entire self-esteem goes broke, which is exactly what happened. Basically speaking, Fubuki needs those accomplishments to vindicate herself, and so has to keep working hard to achieve such things, like propping up more foundations to keep her shaky house steady. However, if the accomplishments she feels proud of is not appreciated and even undermined in such a manner, then at that point she'd feel that perhaps her hard work would never be enough. Fubuki isn't the kind of person who can support their self-esteem simply by knowing that they've accomplished something great and sustain herself off that knowledge. Her self-esteem is not one where she can just pile up all her accomplishments and it just constantly rises, she needs her vindication to keep it from going down. She needs to constantly reaffirm herself and her hard work to keep herself going in life. Granted, some of what I described seems a bit extreme, but the general gist is more or less there. Edit: Shame there's no dedicated OC/Fanfic section for Kancolle, would've shared that FSN x KC story I'm currently writing...
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2015-03-10, 09:38 | Link #113 | ||
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Another reason, I think, why she pushes herself so is to repay the expectations placed on her. Both the Admiral and Akagi had showed faith in her even during her ugly duckling days and I think in her gratitude, she might want to prove them right =3 Quote:
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