Gundam Reconguista in G - Episode 26 [END] Discussion / Poll

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

Other than Arjuna I never came across a work of his I didn't find at least decent.

To me, his narrative skill dropped after he made the first Aquarion, and after that, the narrative in the series he made/created always kinda shot itsef in the foot and I never really enjoy them except for Macross maybe (and even then, Macross Zero & Frontier have their fair share of narrative problems). One thing I always enjoy from him though is his mecha designs, and I admire him for it.

[Nvis]

I pretty much thought Bellri's Mom was going to die, landing in the middle of the battlefield in a glider to watch the war.....and Cumpa's death was hilarious. Wrong place at the wrong time.

G-Arcane was actually in one-piece.

Noredo got cock-blocked when Bellri jumped ship in Japan.

And did Klim's dad President really die?

[VyseLegendaire]

People all over claiming that this show didnt make sense and its ending left tons of unanswered questions and was rushed.

You clearly dont understand the purpose of this show eh?

This is Tomino, in top form. I think its his best original work. His magnum opus. Watch this show and you might have a pass for watching the rest of his works. I think this show was even in its epic genius with King Gainer, both being eerily similar. But maybe G-Reco edges it out just a bit.

As for why 26 episdes is enough, lets be frank - Victory Gundam was 50 episodes and at least half of that show was absolutely worthless time sinking battles and conversations about nothing. Its last 15 episodes are so drawn out its like a form of torture. And keeping that in mind, its ending was also rushed and an incomplete mess with very little threads tied up. I dont know if Tomino shows can be neatly ended or if they are even intended to be, so I thought 26 episodes is a perfect brisk finish to a show that never lets up from start to finish and never lets you take a breather to get bored or overthink things. That is where Tomino shines and you see this in G-Reco and King Gainer. Recall King Gainers insane last episode as well.

Now Turn A also suffered a bit from being drawn out. Cant we all agree on that? I loved every minute of it but its different in that its ending is actually rather complete. You get a true ending for the most part. For now I still maintain Turn A is Tominos greatest work because it maintains each of his touches - brisk pace and crazy plot and dialogue - for all 50 eps without delving too far into the broken crap that plagued the ending arc of Victory. but it might not be the best example of his style because its long and difficult to digest for a kid who is its intended audience.

Because of its briskness and abruptness, I think G-Reco stands as a better show in a stand-alone sense than his other works, in how it conveys its message quickly and efficiently - and frankly its a bit more clear on what its about than King Gainer which honestly suffered from a certain level of irreverence/comedic streak that made it into more of a farce than a critique of modernity.

I think you guys criticizing this show are missing the point. This show is not a show *about* a topic but rather an allegory through-and-through. Thusly it is meant to reflect what it shows and it does that exactly. What you see is what you get.

The same reason that Evangelion and Victory Gundam are often shouted down as terrible by a loud minority as opposed to a chorus of praise from those who just understood to be what it is - a call to recognize its own absurdity and thus the absurdity of its object. A tour de force of incomprehensibility that calls to mind a LSD-induced episode or a psychotic break.

No youre not dreaming, this show is really that ridiculous. And so its its subject of criticism. What that subject is up best left up to your imagination. Have you guys ever heard of nuclear power? Or NATO? Or war games, or Western-backed jihadi groups forming breakaway kingdoms to strike back at their oppressors in countries ravaged by resource-wars? Maybe fomenting a fake rebellion in a country bordering your biggest and baddest enemy because you are afraid of their progress and advancement in order to destabilize them. Or how about child abuse which is a global epidemic, how about indoctrination and the hilarity of the social contract? Did you know vaccines have never been proven either safe or effective but they do make tons of money for certain interests.

Its up to you. Let your imagination run wild.

[kuroihikari2]

Good social commentary behind it doesn't excuse the randomness and weirdness all throughout.

And yeah... I was perfectly fine with Evangelion. At least there the people had real reactions to real threats. This is not Evangelion. Here, where Bellri's worst outburst of emotion was triggered by finding out that the girl he loves is actually his sister.

Also conveying the message "quickly and efficiently" is directly contradictory to "what that subject is up best left up to your imagination". If it can't even pinpoint its own subject directly, how is it efficient, or even quick?

[Haak]

Finally stomached the courage to watch the final episode and get it over with and it was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be. Nonsensical action with unlikable characters and ending the story with a morally deplorable terrorist attack for good measure. At least this show was always consistent. XP

Well the final episode did make me notice one thing. I couldn't help but marvel at the wonderful art and animation and then get depressed at how much it was wasted on such a terrible story.

Thank God for Gundam Origin.

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

Did you know vaccines have never been proven either safe or effective but they do make tons of money for certain interests.

I seriously hope you're joking...

[kuroihikari2]

Not just terrorism, patricide as well.

[VyseLegendaire]

Originally Posted by kuroihikari2

Good social commentary behind it doesn't excuse the randomness and weirdness all throughout.

And yeah... I was perfectly fine with Evangelion. At least there the people had real reactions to real threats. This is not Evangelion. Here, where Bellri's worst outburst of emotion was triggered by finding out that the girl he loves is actually his sister.

Also conveying the message "quickly and efficiently" is directly contradictory to "what that subject is up best left up to your imagination". If it can't even pinpoint its own subject directly, how is it efficient, or even quick?

As for quick and efficient, I meant the length of the show and how it does not give you much filler or wasted times getting to its end. Even if you find the contents of the show to be confusing and a mess, its a shorter Tomino show.

However I think the reason people bashing the show is because they want everything fed to them thematically.

As for Bellris emotions, I would be shocked too if I found out who my sister was in such a dramatic way. First they hated each other, then they were boy meets girl, and then this - kind of a shocker.
He was a likable protag imo, he reminded me of Uso in his unwillingness to kill enemies and general allergy to fighting the war he found himself in the epicenter of.

[VyseLegendaire]

Originally Posted by Haak

I seriously hope you're joking...

Nope. its true. Even Ghandi wrote about this while he was alive. India has been ravaged not by the scourge of Polio but by the scourge of vaccine-induced paralysis even to this day.

[Haak]

Just because Gandhi said so doesn't make it fucking true. Vaccines do not cause paralysis (nor autism for that matter). They've eradicated smallpox and they eradicated polio in India last year.

[kuroihikari2]

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

As for quick and efficient, I meant the length of the show and how it does not give you much filler or wasted times getting to its end.

Instead it does not expound on anything at all.

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

However I think the reason people bashing the show is because they want everything fed to them thematically.

If a show fails to deliver on its theme, it's a failed show. I'm trying to figure out what G-Reco's theme is, but it's really hard to pinpoint it. It's a hodgepodge of "social commentary" thrown into a blender and what came out was unintelligible metaphors.

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

As for Bellris emotions, I would be shocked too if I found out who my sister was in such a dramatic way. First they hated each other, then they were boy meets girl, and then this - kind of a shocker.
He was a likable protag imo, he reminded me of Uso in his unwillingness to kill enemies and general allergy to fighting the war he found himself in the epicenter of.

Oh, Bellri was a likable protagonist, no doubt. I like him better than Setsuna. Or Destiny Kira. It's just that there's war going on around them, and everyone, including him, feels so detached.

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

Nope. its true. Even Ghandi wrote about this while he was alive. India has been ravaged not by the scourge of Polio but by the scourge of vaccine-induced paralysis even to this day.

Even if that were true, Gandhi was a lawyer and a politician, not a doctor or a scientist. To pretend that polio wasn't eradicated primarily because of vaccination is utter ignorance of science.

[VyseLegendaire]

Can you guys find one double-blind peer-reviewed academic study that showed vaccinated people were conferred greater immunity or health than non-vaccinated, or any evidence/proof of the mechanism through which vaccine confers the alleged immunity to its recipients?

It is doubtful because neither of these things has ever been done. Think critically.

Or what about the fact that outbreaks of disease vaccinated for almost always happen in populations with high vaccination rates?

How about the true history of Polio which was eradicated through natural immunity but brought back via the polio-vaccine induced paralysis epidemic both in the US and now in India and in many third world countries currently suffering from vaccine-airdrop bullshit propaganda campaigns brought to you by Bill Gates and other well-meaning eugenicists?

[kuroihikari2]

You're probably someone who lives in the first world. Measles was still a problem in my country when I was in high school up to early College (around 15-20 years ago). That the USA is worrying about measles only now is only a sign that the measles vaccine was working. If it's spreading again in the US, it's probably because of those stupid anti-vaccers.

Anyway, I'd expound, but this is a G-Reco thread. I suggest you bring your crazy conspiracy theories against established science elsewhere.

[Haak]

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

Can you guys find one double-blind peer-reviewed academic study that showed vaccinated people were conferred greater immunity or health than non-vaccinated, or any evidence/proof of the mechanism through which vaccine confers the alleged immunity to its recipients?

It is doubtful because neither of these things has ever been done. Think critically.

Are you impressed with yourself that you were able to say things like “double-blind peer reviewed academic study”? Once you’re done, you might actually want to try looking it up:
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...t=0,5&as_vis=1
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...0%2C5&as_vis=1
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...ation+efficacy

Or what about the fact that outbreaks of disease vaccinated for almost always happen in populations with high vaccination rates?

Is that so? So when polio was massively epidemic before vaccinations were introduced was that because of high vaccination rates? XP
When you are done with you can tell me why the incidence of measles fell in the USA by 90% between 1960 and 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles...#Effectiveness

Now tell me what the hell you think “outbreak” means? A disease outbreak is defined as an increased occurrence of cases of disease of what would normally be expected in a defined community, geographical area or season. For example, in the US there was an outbreak in 2005 of 66 people: far lower than pre-vaccination rates. And the outbreak was attributed to contact in countries with low vaccination rates and idiots that believe in the anti-vaccination movement.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5550a2.htm

Similar reasons have been found in other countries with high vaccination rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles...e_21st_century

How about the true history of Polio which was eradicated through natural immunity but brought back via the polio-vaccine induced paralysis epidemic both in the US and now in India and in many third world countries currently suffering from vaccine-airdrop bullshit propaganda campaigns brought to you by Bill Gates and other well-meaning eugenicists?

The global vaccination campaign was established well before Bill Gates, and it was established after polio had started to become epidemic in the US after 1916 (So much for natural immunity). The first massive public vaccination trial only began in 1954 (two years after the polio surge in 1952) and the results announced in 1955. I do not care for your warped history.

Moreover, you believe in natural immunity but not vaccinations. Do you have any understanding of how vaccinations work?

[Skye629]

You guys are REALLY going off topic here.........

[Haak]

I don't care. The Anti-vaccination movement is a stupid and dangerous movement, and as a healthcare professional I feel obligated to debunk it whenever I happen to come across it.

[Asuras]

Originally Posted by Haak

I don't care. The Anti-vaccination movement is a stupid and dangerous movement, and as a healthcare professional I feel obligated to debunk it whenever I happen to come across it.

Doing god's work.

[VyseLegendaire]

Originally Posted by Haak

Are you impressed with yourself that you were able to say things like “double-blind peer reviewed academic study”? Once you’re done, you might actually want to try looking it up:
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...t=0,5&as_vis=1
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...0%2C5&as_vis=1
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...ation+efficacy



Is that so? So when polio was massively epidemic before vaccinations were introduced was that because of high vaccination rates? XP
When you are done with you can tell me why the incidence of measles fell in the USA by 90% between 1960 and 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles...#Effectiveness

Now tell me what the hell you think “outbreak” means? A disease outbreak is defined as an increased occurrence of cases of disease of what would normally be expected in a defined community, geographical area or season. For example, in the US there was an outbreak in 2005 of 66 people: far lower than pre-vaccination rates. And the outbreak was attributed to contact in countries with low vaccination rates and idiots that believe in the anti-vaccination movement.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5550a2.htm

Similar reasons have been found in other countries with high vaccination rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles...e_21st_century




The global vaccination campaign was established well before Bill Gates, and it was established after polio had started to become epidemic in the US after 1916 (So much for natural immunity). The first massive public vaccination trial only began in 1954 (two years after the polio surge in 1952) and the results announced in 1955. I do not care for your warped history.

Moreover, you believe in natural immunity but not vaccinations. Do you have any understanding of how vaccinations work?

None of your links provided the proof I asked for. You cant pinpoint it yourself can you? Related studies = / = proof.

Polio epidemic had substantially subsided before the vaccine was introduced, due to the improvement of sanitation, plumbing, and better housing conditions in the cities where immigrants and poor workers often contracted the disease. It was a late-to-the-party vaccine and then the drug companies in collusion with the US government committed a scientific fraud to simply make it appear that the vaccine was responsible for curing polio, when in fact all they did was cover up the negative effects of the vaccine.

To whatever reason is attributed the cause of even a minor outbreak of, say , Measles - proof of the cause of the outbreak has not been established. The CDC can make whatever claim they want but it remains a fact that the CDC has been involved in criminal activity in publishing fraudulent material about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, are are in collusion with drug makers to sell their deadly vaccines.

I have an understanding that the proof of either safety and efficacy of vaccines has never been established. No amount of claims to the contrary will every change that. The term *scientific consensus* is in fact an oxymoron.

here Ill make it easy to find a summary of these facts for the lay person

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

You are a medical professional so you might want to be made aware of this other fact: the #1 cause of death of all causes in the United States is death BY the medical system - termed iatrogenesis. Here is real, legitimate report with actual sources, which demonstrates this fact:

http://www.whale.to/a/null9.html

I dare you to do real research instead of standing behind the banner of establishment science.

Good day sir.

[kuroihikari2]

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

I have an understanding that the proof of either safety and efficacy of vaccines has never been established. No amount of claims to the contrary will every change that. The term *scientific consensus* is in fact an oxymoron.

So, in essence, you don't really care what proof is offered because you'll reject it anyway.

That's screwed up mentality. On the bright side, we can at least stop talking about vaccinations on a G-Reco thread.

[Patriot's Blade]

still what is up with Klim's dad a.k.a. the president of the Unite........ um sorry.... Ameria registering his alive & well son as KIA? he didn't know right? or a conspiracy in the administration with information of his son survived in the battles got covered up & gave him a fake news instead?

if he does know his son is still alive & well but pretend he's gone to gain sympathy from the public & use it as propaganda, he deserved to get pancaked by the Full Moon ship commanded by his own son. lol

[Mangonel]

Originally Posted by VyseLegendaire

Can you guys find one double-blind peer-reviewed academic study that showed vaccinated people were conferred greater immunity or health than non-vaccinated, or any evidence/proof of the mechanism through which vaccine confers the alleged immunity to its recipients?

It is doubtful because neither of these things has ever been done. Think critically.

Or what about the fact that outbreaks of disease vaccinated for almost always happen in populations with high vaccination rates?

How about the true history of Polio which was eradicated through natural immunity but brought back via the polio-vaccine induced paralysis epidemic both in the US and now in India and in many third world countries currently suffering from vaccine-airdrop bullshit propaganda campaigns brought to you by Bill Gates and other well-meaning eugenicists?

Not what I expected to find in this thread, but w/e.

You're being daft, you won't find a study on vaccines because it violates basic morality and the Hippocratic oath. To perform a proper clinical trial on contagious diseases would involve exposing people to potentially lethal diseases. We don't do that.

An 'outbreak' is only an outbreak if there was no disease present previously. So by definition it will only happen in highly vaccinated areas. Some serious right-wing circular logic here.

Just look at the US, we're having a measles resurgence because of derps like you spreading bs causing people to not have their children vaccinated. Once a population drops below herd immunity (~97% vaccination) the effectiveness of vaccines begins to degrade greatly.

Also, please cite a reputable source not a nutjob's personal website. Since you didn't learn this in elementary or middle school that would be domains of .edu, .gov, and to a lesser extent .org.