2015-04-26, 10:31 | Link #381 | |
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Which is why my client, Krul Tepes, should be declared Not Guilty.
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2015-04-26, 11:16 | Link #382 |
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an other thing to think about:
the monsters showed to be hunting for humans, but are not controlled by vampires, so what are they? so far it's only known that they appeared right after the virus/curse/whatever apocalypse, so they may be related directly or indirectly to it |
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Curses don't randomly spread from one person to another. Quote:
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The Likelyhood of 75 or more percent of the entire human race getting infected with the same virus at the same moment is extremely slim. Quote:
Furthermore, one of her own subjects, believing her lies that the calamity was caused by humans, actually referred to the 'forbidden enchantment', which in terms refers to the seraph's curse as the reason for the calamity having broken out in the first place. Quote:
The victim's name is is irrelevant. Furthermore, if it was indeed a laboratory, no matter which origin, the victim didn't know about it being a laboratory in the first place, hence chances of his knowledge about his owners are non existant. Furthermore, it was the name of his beloved family, there is no way he'd change it. Quote:
in fact aren't they the ones taxing right now? Moreover, not even the test subjects knew they were test subject, so can you proof that the director and other workers knew it was a laboratory? Quote:
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And even if, they already were fighting vampires back then already, and thus have had the demonic weapons already, it still doesn't proof that they were involved in the curse. Especially considering how your client is a supernatural semi-immortal being to begin with, and thus also has had the meanings to dabble in dark margic for a far longer than than humans have had. Quote:
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There is no proof every single human was effected by the curse to begin with, nor is have you proven that said laboratory doesn't belong to your client. Moreover, the majority of people shown were too young to have not had survived in the first place. 8 years have passed since the cataclysm, hence the oldest oone know being in the MC's school would have been 11 years at best back then and thus not affected by the curse's effects. The Military thus had at least 1 year time to find a solution and ways to protect themself. in fact they had EIGHT years time. Now lets get those stakes and the holy water.
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2015-04-26, 16:18 | Link #385 | |
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2015-04-26, 22:45 | Link #388 |
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So it looks like the virus that appeared and wiped out most of the human population was caused by the Military group. I was right to be suspicious of them. When Guren first said about world domination, it immediately rang a warning bell in my head.
Although what that 3rd progenitor loli vampire claims about bringing stability back to the world may sound righteous compared to the Military group but I'm still suspicious of the vampires as well, considering how they treat humans. The vampires consider humans as their "live stock" and the Military uses human to gain power and domination over the world. Both fractions function similarly and neither can truly be trusted but which one is the lesser evil of the two? It will be interesting to see how the 2 friends/family will come out in the end but they probably can never walk the same path together ever again though. ): Edit: I am leaning towards the virus being unleashed by the Military. In order for the military to dominate over the world, they need to defeat the vampires. I'm guessing they probably stole some secret dark magic from the vampires (that has something to do with Seraphs) but made a mistake that caused the release of the virus which killed most of humanity. That, or they intentionally released the virus to kill most of humanity as a means of robbing the vampires most of their food supply. But the question remains is what are the vampires doing with this power and the Seraphs? Perhaps they are trying to find a way to dominate over humans as well. Also, I not quite clear on what Seraphs are in the context of this series, and how both the Military and the vampires know that Yu and Mika are Seraphs...or all children considered as Seraphs? There are there are those monsters that appear after the virus pandemic. They could be humans that somehow survived the infection but get transformed into those creatures.
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2015-04-27, 07:10 | Link #389 |
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The best I've been able to figure the Virus is supposed to have been released by humanity by accident, possibly as a result of their experimenting on the Seraphim. Still, I will admit that the current knowledge is incomplete and it could just be that the higher-ups we know have been led to believe that Hyakuya Lab created it by accident.
In all truth, it sounds like the "virus" thing really isn't a virus, and its definition as a curse is only valid if you use the broadest definitions possible. Instead, it could be that the Seraphim existed as a source of the literal "End" or Judgment. Perhaps here, the End is supposed to start with all those whose virtue is clearly established being Taken: your body remains, but your soul goes where it's meant to go. Some people remain due to some ambiguity in their virtue, and children remain because they're not old enough to be judged. Perhaps the monsters appear shortly afterward to begin cleanup and use traumatic situations to force people to make decisions that would make their virtue clear. If this is the case, discussions suggest Mika and Yuuichirou are either the unwitting embodiments of the seraphim that would trigger the end, or part of a long line of embodiments allowing the end to come any time, but the experiments attempting to understand it caused a partial activation, destroying/cleansing most people but leaving quite a few behind as well as vampires, but still summoning at least some of the "cleanup crew". The rest of the Hyakuya "family" were probably potentials or candidates; after all, it'd be hard for a scientific organization to figure out with absolute certainty who the "seraphim" were, so they'd probably gather every child that looked like he/she might be one of them. It's really rather impressive they were able to narrow it down as far as they did. An additional note, if the pair really are embodiments (singular or generational) of some celestial judges, it seems like Yuu and Mika were meant to serve opposing purposes. One was meant to see the sins and the reasons people should be destroyed/punished, while the other saw the good in them and all the reasons they should be allowed to live. This wouldn't be the first time I'd seen a pair of Destroyers where one was meant to find all the reasons to destroy and the other reasons not to. Of course, at the same time, if only one of the two was triggered, the effect on the planet may have been far different from what it should have been. Additionally, the reason the effect didn't extend to vampires may be because Yuu and/or Mika didn't even know they existed. Humanity may have all but perished due to the Judge's view of humanity as a species at the moment of activation, but since he had no knowledge of Vampires he couldn't judge them; with their presence now clearly known and the obvious antagonism of the prime suspect toward them, it makes good sense that the vampires would be very worried about the idea of a second activation. |
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Thee vampires are the ones profiting from it most. Releasing the Virus in order to gain world domination only makes sense if you don't infect your own population with it too, especially considering how you don't know how many of the other coountries populace survies. That being said its actually proofable that it is a curse rather than a virus: Quote:
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Additionally, if she had been older than 13 back then she would have already died from it. Notably jsut as fast as everyone else. Just like the children from the orphanage since they were brought underground for safety of not getting infected. That is what Krul claims that is. Quote:
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On a more serious note though, I already referred to the shot time amount she needed to get all information she needed to keep the children safe - including that they have yet to be infected and that the virus wasn't just dormant. Quote:
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That is at least the situation we found them in running around the town and only then going back 'home'. One does not simply let their lab rats run free. On this note: Krul tried to make sure none of them escaped her underground facility, and that she failed doesn't really matter either. - thus the one having used them as lab rats is her. Quote:
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Considering how the council has no idea she experimented back then already there also is. And last but not least, she is their queen she has no reason to listen to them except she would have to fear opposition for what she has done. Quote:
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Also I hate to repeat myself but no the burden of proof isn't on me. Nevertheless, I will provide it: Their survival was coincidence. Quote:
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Well you can't say you were not warned about this line of argumentation... *Von Karma snip* Just a thing... How did all the civilian communities, such as the one saved by the vampires survive then? There were adults with children, and if they had known how to protect themselves they wouldn't have had problems with that monster either. No moreover, they would have been protected by the military to begin with and would not be in need of vampires saving them since all of them would have been selected personell to maintain facilities as you claim above and thus be under military protection, which has been clearly shown they were not. Thus your argument that the curse engulfed the entire world at the same time and that there was no other way of survival than knowing magic is not just invalid but entirely inaccurate. Also including ones own population isn't very smart if you want to go for world domination. But oh wait... The vampires are immune to the virus no matter what age they are? How very convenient and coincidental. Oh and please don't try to argue your way out of it, the only way to do that is claiming the adults there were not older than 13 when their children were born. Thus it has been established that coincidental survival is not only possible but also plausible. And considering how their highest ranked officer is a Colonel and not a General, as well as that the military seems to be quite diminished too them being here can be put simply on coincidence or wearing ABC Gear the moment they got wind from the plague which is btw a standard military procedure.
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2015-04-27, 13:28 | Link #392 |
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so... best friend gonna end up killing each other
and the Vampire Queen is a Loli... What a TWIST, lol... or not, pretty sure everyone saw i coming. ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ other note... man you guys got some super long discussion about the Virus... |
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As for Mika, who was turned into a vampire when he was dying at 12 years old, grew up and now looks a normal teen the same age than Yu who is still a human! Maybe there's another rule stating just vampire boys can grow up to become bishonen? |
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2015-04-27, 19:21 | Link #395 | |
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2015-04-27, 20:28 | Link #396 | |
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Shota vampires... no one likes them, needs to be hawt bishounens. |
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2015-04-28, 12:04 | Link #398 | |
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As seen in the evidence above, I never said this virus/curse do propagate from people to people. I clearly just nitpicked his misinformation by saying some curses can, which doesn't mean in anyway all curses (nor this specific curses) do. I see no contradiction here.
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Got to do this fast now... There are abyssals that are waiting to get sunk.
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The logical conclusion is that she contracted it later. Also no one would bother giving someone an infected organ. Also as most other people died pretty much instantly, you can easily conclude that it is still around, especially since she is in that vegetive state for a while now. Its the narrative information given by herself as well as the children. Quote:
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Can you proof the government even knew about those laboratories? I doubt that. And since you already mentioned DC. I highly doubt the Batcave has been taxed yet. Quote:
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No, for killing his brother he was turned into a vampire and sent of to nod. This claim is as much proofable as the bible itself btw. Point is whe were talking about vampire stories which are fictional to begin with. Quote:
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1st) The queen ofEngland needs permission from the prime minister to enter london so she can't influence the parliament. Thus even nowadays her political power is well recognized. 2nd) Now back to krul, she needs no such thing, and sits on a throne right in front of them. Additionally she obviously leads the council. Oh and another thing... Some of them sit in positions where one would think they are all knaves not worthy to lay an eye on their queen. - How can I make such a statement? Simply you can't see the throne from every angle of the room, which is a sign of superiority. Quote:
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However this argument is a moot point since if the orphanage isn't the laboratory the only other thing it could refer to is Krul's underground city. Quote:
Has Phoenix Wright ever managed to claim the benefit of doubt? Has he ever had to not be the one to proof everything? Nope Phoenix wright is definitely the one with the burden of proof that his client is not guilty. Quote:
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- Now please take out a mirror, look into it and say repeat that argument. - If you are still content with saying they were not older than 13 when they got their own children aftwerwards, be my guest. So yeah chances they were older are a lot higher than that they were between 0 and 13 years old. Quote:
b) military hospital c) military equipment And for the last 2 you don't even need to gather tham beforehand. The same goes for any equipment in general btw. Quote:
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Seriously, do you honestly believe that the parents there got their own children while being no older than 13? their survival was pure coincidence and thats it - thus it has been established that coincidental survival was posisble. Moreover, if, according to the data you provided, 90% of humanity has perished (which is very hard to proof btw) the rest 10% would all have to be military personell if we follow your argument. Yet we already saw that it wasn't the case. Quote:
He is the highest ranking officer of the IJDA. To say it in your own words, thats the narrative. Quote:
Honestly I am speechless how you can question that the military has ABC gear... ABC stands for atomic, biological and chemical and is standard equipment in the military. heck I was there for just 6 months mandatoryconscirption time and had one. Sorry but I don't really see the problem with soldiers having gas masks. Oh and btw. Even recruits are being trained to put those on within a few seconds or get them out off their lockers in less than a minute even when standing right in front of the barracks and thus probably hgaving to run up stairs to get to their lockers first. That is if they don't already have it on them anyway.
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